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Topic started on 11-1-2011 @ 07:10 PM by Tasty Canadian

This is my first thread, so let me begin by saying that I am by no means an expert in this field. Truth be told, I'm not an expert in much of anything except perhaps menopause (lol), but something in my gut is telling me that this is important and it needs to be recognized by the public. I apologize in advance if I make any mistakes as far as posting; I looked for the "Posting for Dummies" section but only found a tutorial that went way too fast for my computer illiterate mind .So here goes... please read entire article:

www.canadianbusiness.com...

Land fizzing like soda pop: farmer says CO2 injected underground is leaking.

Since 2000, Cenovus has injected about 16 million tonnes of carbon dioxide underground to force more oil from an aging field and safely store greenhouse gases that would otherwise contribute to climate change.

But in 2005, the Kerrs began noticing algae blooms, clots of foam and multicoloured scum in two ponds at the bottom of a gravel quarry on their land. Sometimes, the ponds bubbled. Small animals — cats, rabbits and goats — were regularly found dead a few metres away.

Then there were the explosions.

"At night we could hear this sort of bang like a cannon going off," said Jane Kerr, 58. "We'd go out and check the gravel pit and, in the walls, it (had) blown a hole in the side and there would be all this foaming coming out of this hole."

"Just like you shook up a bottle of Coke and had your finger over it and let it spray," added her husband.

The water, said Jane Kerr, came out of the ground carbonated.

These people have since walked away from their farm and believe me, I know farm folks. It had to be pretty damned scary for them to do that.

I have also read on numerous other threads about how many people were hearing these thunderous booms, but couldn't quite pinpoint where they were coming from...sound familiar? I am also aware that geosequestering has been endorsed by most environmentalists, but how much LONG-TERM study has really been done?

en.wikipedia.org...

Scroll to where it says Leakage.

A major concern with CCS is whether leakage of stored CO2 will compromise CCS as a climate change mitigation option.

en.wikipedia.org...

Now, I do realize that to have a disaster on the scale of Lake Nyos, there would have to be a heck of a lot of CO2, but what bothers me the most is that as small amounts rise from a leak, it can easily get into the water supply and in this particular instance, it looks as though it has.

Have a look at this map to see where the captured CO2 is being stored. When I first looked at it, I thought it looked a lot like the RSOE-EDIS map of where all the birds and fish were dying. Probably coincidence though. ????

www.geos.ed.ac.uk...

Well that's all folks. Feedback is more than welcome.

edit on 11-1-2011 by Tasty Canadian because: adding map

reply posted on 11-1-2011 @ 07:15 PM by gnosticquasar

I read about CO2 injection a while back and thought about how that just sounded like a horrible idea. Looks like maybe my instincts about it were right lol

reply posted on 11-1-2011 @ 07:19 PM by LipanConjuring86

This just goes to show that human invention is often the root of infection. If you tamper with the earth's equilibrium, you're bound to feel the effects down the road in some shape or form. The problem is that humans want it all now, and right now, without devoting any time to long term outcomes or effects.

reply posted on 11-1-2011 @ 07:34 PM by Char-Lee

reply to post by Tasty Canadian

I truely doubt they have any long term studies that can tell them how much is to much...maybe they pushed it over the limit!
One day the whole thing will be set off by lightning or something Kaput!

reply posted on 11-1-2011 @ 07:36 PM by Tasty Canadian

reply to post by gnosticquasar

Unlike you, I had not heard about this process until now and am just learning about it. From what I have read today, it looks like the oil companies have really promoted this.

www.nature.com...

And Eric Oelkers, who works on carbon sequestration in Toulouse at France's national research agency, CNRS, warns that the knowledge obtained by geologists is not being used in commercial storage plans. "There are a huge number of projects, and some people are just pumping CO2 down a hole and hoping it stays there. Somebody's going to goof up," he sighs.

reply posted on 11-1-2011 @ 07:56 PM by Shamanistical

It's buried frozen CO2 that's melting and releasing into our environment, particularly large bodies of water, as a result of global warming. It's turning our oceans and lakes and rivers into club soda, ha. Hey, maybe that is what killed the birds, drinking too much carbonated water caused them to explode. Fish too. Wow, bad news for the continued existence of the humans. Oh well, they'll be hardly missed.

reply posted on 11-1-2011 @ 08:02 PM by westcoast

S&F

Excellent thread, first time poster or not!!!

This is the first time I have ever heard of this and I think the implications are HUGE. I was relieved to see that so far there isn't any of this 'storage' going on in Washington State, but distressed to see a couple of them in Wyoming of all places.

It's like, "Hey, we have the most dangerous caldera on the planet here, how about we pump CO2 into the ground near it, and then do some fracking!!!" I just don't get it, *palm to forehead*

reply posted on 11-1-2011 @ 08:09 PM by Lil Drummerboy

It is sad to hear,.
Ultimately, greed is the cause of this.
shame,... it is like the fracking thing and the
people that are loosing their wells because of it.
All in the process of GREED

reply posted on 11-1-2011 @ 08:20 PM by Tasty Canadian

reply to post by westcoast

Thank you for the kind regards. You got me thinking again, sheesh. What would happen if there were an earthquake near one of these reservoirs? Or a flood!!?? Look at how many of these sites are in Australia!!

reply posted on 11-1-2011 @ 10:42 PM by new_here

reply to post by Tasty Canadian

Gosh, you are so right about this map of CO2 sites aligning with the Natural Disaster Map and animal die-offs. How weird!

reply posted on 11-1-2011 @ 10:56 PM by Alethea

Originally posted by Shamanistical
It's buried frozen CO2 that's melting and releasing into our environment, particularly large bodies of water, as a result of global warming. It's turning our oceans and lakes and rivers into club soda, ha. Hey, maybe that is what killed the birds, drinking too much carbonated water caused them to explode. Fish too. Wow, bad news for the continued existence of the humans. Oh well, they'll be hardly missed.

Soda goes flat rather quickly when exposed to the air. I wonder how long this CO2 would stay active? I wonder if any pollutants would adhere to the CO2 or if the CO2 could break down the molecular structure of some of the toxic compounds?

I read about the buried canisters a couple of years ago. I really wondered what is behind all this. It's hard to believe that this is something new and experimental. Someone has orchestrated great plans and somehow this plays into it. How? I don't know. But there are many things going on that have an ultimate purpose that we are not privileged to know.

reply posted on 11-1-2011 @ 11:03 PM by NuclearPaul

Originally posted by Lil Drummerboy
It is sad to hear,.
Ultimately, greed is the cause of this.

Of course it is.

The reason they said they did this was to force more oil from the ground. That I believe. But I don't believe the second reason being that they care for the environment. If they did, they wouldn't be in the business they're in.

edit on 11/1/11 by NuclearPaul because: typo

reply posted on 12-1-2011 @ 06:23 AM by Hero Protagonist

Nice work, TastyCanadian! While correlation does not necessarily mean causation, your analysis connects the dots on many issues. The loud booms with no apparent cause all the way to the animal deaths. That map is eerily close to the die-offs as you pointed out. Another case of good intentions (allegedly) with unintended consequences. Thank you for a very insightful post!

reply posted on 12-1-2011 @ 08:44 AM by enemoplem

wow. i really had no idea about CO2 storage. i'm not a chemist or a geologist but it sure seems like an eventual disaster to pump a bunch of CO2 under the ground... "the most popular option at the moment". it's obviously BAD if the stuff gets out into the environment because they don't want it to come in contact with the environment for thousands of years. i don't know what else they would do with it but maybe... it's just a thought... stop creating so many pollutants. the earth just can't possibly keep up with all this and with the population growing exponentially it really makes my head hurt.

reply posted on 12-1-2011 @ 09:38 AM by asperetty

I think it was Sweden that is also pumping CO2 under the ocean floor.

They are basically creating chemical time bombs. You would think some sane scientist would understand that land moves and make the connection that the right movement could cause a major leak of concentrated CO2. Its so stupid how they choose to avoid the real problem. All the money that has been invested into alternative methods of controlling CO2 should have been invested in electric motors and other non-polluting sources of energy so that we could actually have ourselves a real solution, not just an evasive maneuver. Build mass railway systems or some crap. My God. And now they are drilling for oil near methane fields and saying they'll trap it? I'm beginning to think I really am just completely stupid, because I'm just not understanding the logic of our modern industries at all.

reply posted on 12-1-2011 @ 11:30 AM by reddinasourshoes

I love soda! Is there any evidence that it's like soda?

reply posted on 12-1-2011 @ 11:42 AM by mc_squared

reply to post by Tasty Canadian

Nice work OP, but I have to take issue with one thing:

I am also aware that geosequestering has been endorsed by most environmentalists

Like hell it has.

I don't know of a single one who isn't fervently against it, and I know plenty that are.

For those of you who are saying this is the first you've heard of such a thing - let me welcome you to the wonderful propaganda that is 'Clean Coal'.

YouTube Link

These are the BS type of "solutions" being proposed by coal and oil companies - not because they are environmentally friendly, but because they allow them to just keep producing as much coal and oil as possible.

It is quite literally just sweeping the problem under the rug. And the rug obviously don't want it either.

reply posted on 12-1-2011 @ 12:57 PM by ItsEvolutionBaby

I find it extra interesting this link was from Canadian Business.
Thanks for posting the info.

reply posted on 13-1-2011 @ 10:35 AM by Tasty Canadian

reply to post by mc_squared

I agree with you that in the past, environmentalists were dead set against the process of geo-sequestering BUT... the times, they are a-changin'.

www.tikkun.org...

Environmentalism is changing, however, especially in light of the climate crisis. Many are now toning down or outright abandoning a naturalist sensibility for one leaning toward mastery. We see this in the attraction to technological fixes as evident in the resurgence of support for nuclear power, the popularity of carbon sequestration, and the embrace of "green" consumption..

That article was written just this past summer!!

reply posted on 16-1-2011 @ 05:33 PM by StealthyKat

reply to post by Tasty Canadian

THAT is a scary thought.....just want you to know this is an excellent thread and you did a great job on the opening post S&F....keep up the good work, These oil companies will stop at nothing to get what they are after, and the rest of us be damned it seems!

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