France is our biggest ally, declares Obama: President's blow to Special Relationship with Britain

Originally posted by pcrobotwolf
reply to post by Yissachar1

 

They got us into vietnam and then withdrew before the shtf.

....um..no...the french retreated after almost being wiped out and as such and as history has written, so to, did the fate of america, sadly, it was a nation grossly underestimated as its statistics were taken at face value rather than a nation that had a will to fight and defend against a foreign intruder. But lets make it clear, when alarm bells were blazing at the white house, there were stereotype four star gen's that thought, fire power alone can win the nation. Does this sound ever so familiar with what is going on in today's conflicts ?


History, it is there for a purpose and not simply to be quoted.

He only said that because he was a big fan of andre the giant,who lived in france.

Originally posted by Yissachar1

I think this is proof that obama is a rabid socialist who hates Britain.

Are you actually serious? Yes, let's forget the heaps of evidence that shows that Obama is a fighter for corporate America and the richest of the rich. Let's ignore the fact that not a single piece of legislation pushed by Obama can actually be considered socialist by definition. If you do these, then yes, this is absolute proof that Obama is a rabid socialist.

Sigh.

It seems to be a bit of spin on what he actually said which was:

We don’t have a stronger friend and stronger ally than Nicolas Sarkozy, and the French people.

Which to me is quite a bit different than France is our strongest ally. It could easily mean he thinks France is just as strong of allies as the UK; which I don't think you will find many Americans that agree with that even, much less the rhetoric that people have been saying about France being stronger allies, he did NOT say that.

reply to post by ProudtobeEnglish

The yanks and the frogs are scum in equal measure.

Why exactly do you think this,please fill us in!

I am English, and no matter what the politicians think, say, or do, nothing will stop me from supporting US citizens whenever I can.

I have always viewed the USA as a beacon of freedom in this nasty world, and admire the great triumphs in technology, business, culture, and all of our human endeavours that Americans have made.

I will not belittle the French, I have known very few French people and so cannot comment on them - but the fact remains, I will NEVER respect the French and France as much as the USA.

I love france.They make a mean fry.

Originally posted by Yissachar1
I think this is proof that obama is a rabid socialist who hates Britain.

Huh?

I thought the UK was already a lot more socialist than the US?


Anyway I generally like both English/Scottish/Irish people, and the French too. In parts of the Deep South, French culture has had just as much impact on our culture as the Brits.

Hell, I like most people from most countries. I even like German and Russian culture.

I am truly amazed that some of you actually seem to care about this. Personally I find the sight of a Gordon Brown or a Margaret Thatcher temporarily basking in the reflected light of whoever is currently in charge of the worlds greatest terrorist regime somewhat puke inducing. But that's just me I guess. And before anybody goes crazy I know that the vast majority of Americans are not to blame for the atrocities carried out in their name just as we in the UK are often led by braindead morons so often are they. Hey maybe we have a lot in common after all.

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Nick Griffin...... Is that you?

Damn....


I thought you'd been quiet recently.

reply to post by GogoVicMorrow


Im just going off what he said. Obama is a politician he knows every word he says could have an impact. and he must know this would upset the Brits. I for one dont mind the American people I love American films and music and its my personal opinion that America is like a bro to GB, I feel a lot closer to American people than I do any Euros (no offence euros)

But that doesnt mean I think your leaders are any good, I think over the last few decades your leaders have been worse than ours (if that's possible)

Originally posted by ProudtobeEnglish
If either of those sites existed, I would use them. Sadly, they don't.

Glad we could make something for you then.

Enjoy your stay.

Originally posted by bsbray11

Originally posted by Yissachar1
I think this is proof that obama is a rabid socialist who hates Britain.

Huh?

I thought the UK was already a lot more socialist than the US?

No

We have a conservative coalition government.

The NHS may be deemed "socialist" but on the whole we are capititalistic.

This is definitely an odd turn of events. We must remember history as well, specifically regarding the Democratic Party. In our early years as a young Republic we had two parties which each supported their own country. The Federalists supported Great Britain and the Democrats supported France. Thomas Jefferson was a hard-core Francophile while Alexander Hamilton and the Federalists were strong supporters of Great Britain.

It looks like this shall be the turn of events once again. The Democrats try and make close alliance with France and the Republicans will inevitably make close alliance with the British. Looks like old habits never die.

As for my personal opinion while I like France and have a relatively positive view of the country I do feel that Great Britain is America’s number one ally and should remain that way. We have been through it together, thick and thin, while we might have had rocky times in our relationship it’s like two friends for a long time, there may be some arguments but we can never abandon the other one.

However I would particularly want America to be allied with Germany over both Britain and France, I know this will never happen.

reply to post by ProudtobeEnglish


Let's stereotype? Really? Now why would we want to do that?

Obama is a naif. a babe in the woods, so far as international relations are concerned, or at least our relations with Britain... France is, has been, and always will be, a thorn in the side of the United States. England, on the other hand, has been there every single time we've called on them for help.

Our two nations have gone beyond mere alliance sometime ago. We are, whether some, like yourself apparently, like it or not, friends...family of a sort even. For Obama to make a mistake of this sort is just another example of his utter and complete lack of competence to hold his currant position.

Ah well...elections upcoming in two years will rectify that problem, it is to be hoped.

Originally posted by ProudtobeEnglish
You just sound like a little lapdog, willing to be beaten by it's owner everyday. If you don't like what I said, well, that's just too bad!

No Proud I'm afraid you seem to be the lapdog in this situation.

You are a lap dog to, oversimplified world veiws and hate.

is it just americans and french you hate or is it everyone who isn't british?

people are people no matter where they are from.

and if you just assume that I'm saying this because I'm just another foreigner, I can trace my family tree back 1000 years in england and many of my ancestor have helped shape this country, I doubt you can make such claims.

To be british means to be a mix of many nations and america, france, germany and all other countries are our brothers, sisters, children, parents and cousins. To hate any people is to hate yourself and your own country.

Originally posted by Yissachar1
reply to post by SaturnFX

 

I see your point but we value our relationship.

Mostly because of shared language and blood.

But also because a lot of spilt blood has been invested in that relationship watching each others back to those comments creating a sting.

Oh, I agree overall. There is no closer ally than the Brits, and hopefully it goes both ways.

There is also no greater people to bicker with about who is better on trivial things. worldwide friends that have a good natured brotherhood with alot of jabs person to person.

France is more like both of our kind of emo and odd cousin we find uncomfortable being around for extended periods...you are related so you can't really just tell em to shove off, but you try not to get cornered into a chat with them. I have no idea why Obama would say that...perhaps he was being sarcastic?

Originally posted by bsbray11
Huh?

I thought the UK was already a lot more socialist than the US?

Yeah we are...We're not quite a completely socialist country... but we are much more socialist than the US.

That's a really strange thing to hear, for instance, compare this idea with this from November:

(Britain is now aircraft-carrier-less for several years, and indeed in November Cameron and Sarkozy did this:

David Cameron hails 'new chapter' in Britain-France military co-operation

Link to article in Telegraph.co.uk

David Cameron has hailed a "new chapter" in the history of defence co-operation between Britain and France after two signing two treaties with President Nicolas Sarkozy .

The Prime Minister and the French president signed agreements for greater military co-operation including aircraft carriers, submarines, nuclear technology and ground forces.

As part of the agreement, the two countries will share aircraft carrier capability.

When France’s single carrier is out of service, Britain’s one vessel could conduct missions for both nations, and vice versa.

Mr Cameron said the British Prime Minister said citizens of both countries would be "better protected" as a result of the two treaties.

"Today we open a new chapter in a long history of co-operation on defence and security between Britain and France," Mr Cameron told a press conference at the Anglo-French Summit in London.

Actually, perhaps France's military WILL make France technically the US's largest ally - or was he refering to geographic size?

However, despite such high level 'agreements' between UK/France, I have been picking up that in some respects tensions could flare:

- The Euro crisis - as it unfolds, it could significantly re-set the relationships between European nations and their ties with the USA...France is making some noises now that they are forging some kind of Euro defence pact with Germany - we'lll see, but either way the fate of the Euro-zone will be decided this year, how will that leave things?

- The global 'Trade-War' threat/issue...everyone is busy scrambling to secure their deals with India, China, and many others...and re-build their economies in a new world. Right now, Britain has the Chinese top brass over on a trade visit - perhaps Obama - or Sarkozy - is unhappy about something from that?

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Relax America has lots of bestest friends.