France is our biggest ally, declares Obama: President's blow to Special Relationship with Britain

Originally posted by SKinLaB
reply to post by Yissachar1

 

Man that was a big no-no on Obama's part. That adds more to the reasoning of why he is more hated day by day. I'm ashamed to even call him our President.

France is our biggest ally? The French can't stand us and they make it very well-known.

U.K people please do not judge Americans for what this idiot said. It is far from the truth. He represents himself, not us. I'm proud to have the U.K as our allies. The French can kiss my a$$....

Please I am french and while I understand your feeling I would appreciate if you can correct "French can" by "Sarkozy or French PTB can" because it insulting to me
As for the Obama's speak, like someone said it s just about conditionning and special interests. All of you are aware of the situation in Africa and specially in Ivory Coast where France and USA try to get rid of President Ghabo (President supported by China)....The fact is Obama don t care about Europe anymore, it s just a "facade", Future is in Asia and Obama and the your etablishment know it. My country is just a temporary tools for "the great game "due to its former influence in North Africa. We french people won t get nothing of this temporary alliance , Areva on the other hand...
I think we , french people, have a lots of qualities but when it comes to "the great game" we never understood how it works and was to naive... We have been betrayed by the Rothschild during the Napoleonic Wars, betrayed a number of times by a part of your elites (early WW2, Indochina, Algeria....) but still we are the best at cooking...until when? I am not sure though... London has pretty good restaurant BTW

Originally posted by 46ACE

Originally posted by ProudtobeEnglish
Withdraw all British troops from conflicts instigated by the US, demand the immediate withdrawal from Britain of all US military personnel/equipment, increase visa regulations for US citizens and start deporting non-essential Americans living in our country. The yanks and the frogs are scum in equal measure.

No reason to get upset!
Don't worry mate Won't belong you'll be back in good favor"

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Good video but thoses are not french...Canadian maybe...not sure...But I see your point...French army sucks...
Well maybe ...

Originally posted by max100

Originally posted by Yissachar1


I wasn't going to post this as there are more important things happening in the world like the Australian floods.

However I thought it deserved a thread.

I know it is from the DM so cannot attest to its veracity, but c'mon!

The French HATE America!

I think this is proof that obama is a rabid socialist who hates Britain.

I think he is very out of touch with the reality of British and American ties and the countries people he supposed to represent.

Maybe he fancies Sarkozy' wife? And loves how the frogs have just sold ships and other military hardware to his socialist Russian comrades?

Who knows?

Lets see how quickly the french come to their "biggest allies" aid when the shtf.

They will be too busy running the other way!

www.dailymail.co .uk
(visit the link for the full news article)

i posted this in another thread but the sentiment is still applicable.

I would consider it an act of selfless council to advise your president to proceed with the minimum of expectations with regards to his new found best friend. The French political class are notoriously selfish concerning their own interests before any other and will undermine any alliance that does not benefit them foremost. The diplomatic community will pay no mind to this show of diplomatic fur stroking and see it for the political maneuvering it really is. It wont take long for Wikileaks to report the French socially elite class muttering disparaging remarks about the first ladies fashion sense, Mr Obama's heritage, or the lack of sophistication of the American people in general, but Vive Le Dollar......for now. The british are well versed in the mercurial idiosyncrasies of the French political elite as our neighborers have taught us well over many years.
Do we readilly forget the price for the joint liberation of their homeland was a refusal for years to allow us in to their profitable club called the common market. I would again advise caution in your enthusiasm as disapointment between friends can be most disconcerting..

Well De gaulle has some special reasons for not allowing you in the common market, but as you can read in the history books as soon as he was removed from power you were allowed in the club...so not all the elites were against your adhesion...

reply to post by Yissachar1


I don't support the "special relationship" anyway it's pointless and makes us look weak, We are gimps to the American government, our financial and military debt has been repaid to the USA over WW2, we owe them NOTHING.

Knowing them lot they are probably planning their own war against us seeing as we have practically no operational navy or air force and our army is stretched thin. A bad time when there is an arms race in the middle east and Argentina has upped it's defence budget thanks to the news that Britain now has no operational aircraft carrier or vertical fighters for an entire decade.

It makes me sick to see a country which was both feared and respected worldwide is now a shadow of it's former self, inundated by every piece of trash no one else wants.

Our ancestors would roll in their graves and be physically sick at what it is now. There is still a spark of rebirth though, hidden from view just waiting for a new leader, someone actually in touch with reality and the working class. Where ever you are..we need you now

reply to post by FarArcher


Yes, of course I am French, why do you think I am being so arrogant ?

No, I didn't want to say De Gaulle wanted the French to lead the assault. He wanted French troops alongside the American, British and Canadian ones. There were only a few hundreds French involved in the Normandy landing because they were training with the Brits.

I was looking for a link in english if you're interested : The eve of D-Day

No navy but a lot of men, an army of 500 000 in Africa only.

I am not blaming anyone and certainly not you or regular americans. I could list too stupid prejudices the French have on the Americans. I am simply trying to show taught history and popular knowledge of historical events are strongly influenced by nationalism. We can't continue falling for that and have general prejudices on others. We are kept divided this way.

I could continue rebutting all your distorted perceptions.
There is no Franco-Italian war I am aware of... Italy was unified in the 19th century.
As for NATO, France is a founder and NATO's headquarters were in Paris but guess which country's government agents were caught doing things they shouldn't on an ally's sovereign soil ? It's too long a story for tonight. From a French perspective, there are understandable reasons why De Gaulle withdrew France from NATO and kicked them out. It's only another perspective of course.

FarArcher, I am sorry we can't find the middleground now apparently. This is not about who is right or wrong or who is better than the other but how we are kept divided.

Edit (again) : I forgot about Patton. The quote is allegedly misattributed to Schlesinger (read it here)

I'd rather have a German division in front of me, than a French one behind.

Misattributed by former Defense Secretary James Schlesinger on Fox News. Patton commanded French troops, the 2nd Armored Division commanded by Philippe Leclerc, integrated in the Third Army, and had rocky but friendly relations with the French general. For instance, on August, 15 1944 Patton wrote in his diary: "Leclerc came in very much excited. He said, among other things, that if he were not allowed to advance on Paris, he would resign. I told him in my best French that he was a baby and said I had left him in the most dangerous place on the front. We parted friends"

James Schlesinger, former CIA director.
And Patton was a well-known francophile

Originally posted by thoughtsfull
I have to admit that I have found Obamas behaviour and manipulations most interesting

He seems to be playing the anti-British card really well.. not that I care.. but it is interesting the way it is used to obfuscate the games that are being played.

And you might ask why France, why now? why would US and France be BFF

Well just think, the British nuclear weapons facilities have given US companies the space for decades to operate and develop the next gen weapons without congressional oversight. while we (in Britain) have done the same with developing next gen weapons in the US without Parliamentary oversight..

Twisting lots of treaties in the process....

and now we have UK/French military treaty that includes the French Nuclear weapons facilities..

Is France is now included in that game?? or is it fear that the US will be excluded from this game that Obama makes this move?

I don't know, but feel it is something like this that is at the heart of the move...

It is the "Great game" so yes it s all about deception while the true game go on.
I mean how France can be the strongest ally when US has no military base in my country, we never support you, just join NATO when we realized we are too little (but still find the opportunity to sell warship to Russia...) and so on.
Look at this base in the center of Australia (Pin Gate?), or the bases in UK, your security agreements . All of this shows that the military interests is far more disconnected than we thought.

Originally posted by Freeborn
reply to post by ProudtobeEnglish

 

I have no time for The French; it is impossible to ignore 1000 years of history.

But we must recognise that time's change and new alliances are formed to meet current requirements.

But I personally will never trust them.

For all their faults I trust and like Americans and the world would be a much worse a place without them.

Obama may not particularly like the UK but this is simply the POTUS playing politics.

Words are cheap, acts and deeds are what count.

Oh, quite the little Nazi aren't you.
Not good at all!

my god....I hope when our "occidental world" will collapse and we will have to rebuild and go war against each others again I won t meet you on the battle field... you re too scary for me. Put all people in the same bag is the key for the elites to control our lives forever.

Historically speaking, the yellow striped warriors of France ally themselves with anyone who can dig their sorry non fighting selves out of conflict. Sarkozy is a damned socialist, I'm sure Ba-rack does like him a great deal.

are they going to start calling freedom fries french fries again?

curious mind and all that........

Obama is single handedly destroying the USA & creating tensions with its closes allys

Oh well not like we all didn't warn of this before he was elected

Isn't Mexico was Obama's biggest ally..or is it illegal immigration...globalisation? The list of candidates goes on.

To be honest, I really don't have much respect for his views. He's despised by a lot of people in his own country too, including those who see him as a divisive puppet, planted in office in order to serve private interests.

So basically I think there is more that unites America and the UK than can be divided by the likes of Obama. Don't be too surprised if tomorrow sees a different nation showered in roses..

By the way, notice his 'change' agenda in motion; one moment he's an all-singing, all dancing globalist who lectures others about global communities..the next he's attempting to curry favor with individual nations, talking about special relationships. Hmm what's he after one wonders.

I am absolutly fuming about this. Being form Wales UK. This has brought out anger in me................ why did you all vote this guy in if you all hate / Dont want him President so much.

that is all!

reply to post by Kedy_boy


I personally (being British) thought McCain had the better sounding policies and that Obama was like Blair, a charismatic guy that charmed his way into office and the nation that voted him in (probably because of the colour of his skin, I'm not racist at all but most of the media and interviews here at the time talked more about his skin colour than what his policies in office would be) has now decided they don't like the man and can't wait for the next election.

As for the "special relationship"? I always saw it as conjecture, two strong nations with a lot of history behind them individually coming together and seeming to put more emphasis on each other as BFFs than other countries too.

It's basically there to say "hey, we have people and items traded back and forth, we can work together on trade, military etc" but once one gets bored of the other, time to move on to the next nation to buddy up to.

I don't get any bad vibes about it though, just seems Obama wants to kill off the French stereotype as "cheese eating surrender monkeys" by saying "look guys, they're our new best friend for now" as his way of uniting nations. He's not shunning the UK by any means, just ensuring the US has as many friends of possible just in case.

Pfft.

Does anybody else from the states remember when President Bush tried to change the name from "french fries" to "Freedom Fries" when the french wouldn't back the war?

edit: apparently so, judging from the post a few posts above mine

Dear British cousins, know this much: stupid elements of our populace made a bad mistake falling for this guy's BS, and we can't even find out for certain if he meets the qualifications for President.

Here's the thing.

Obama hates Britain. He got that from his socialist, anti-colonial Kenyan father. We have a saying here, "the apple never falls far from the tree."

You'll note that one of the first thing Obama did was to return to Britain a bust of Winston Churchill, who in my limited American opinion, was one of the top three statesman/human beings of the twentieth century.

Obama will take advantage to slip in insult after insult, both overtly and covertly, to the British people. Keep this in mind: we're not even sure he's an American.

So don't pay too much attention to this prick.

He hasn't made one, single, smart move yet. And the future isn't looking any better for him, either.

The only reason Obama made that stupid ass comment is because Michelle is still upset that they were not invited to the Royal wedding.
Major snub and they are embarressed.
Maybe next time they'll think twice before dissing the Queen.

Figures, Obama's a socialist at heart, and France is socialism central.

Originally posted by idealord
First of all, I live in France, my wife is French and the French LOVE America. Even the Algerian kids... practically every kid in my whole town wears a NY Yankees hat. They listen to American rap, rock, whatever and worship American pop culture.

When we tell people that we moved from NYC to France they look at us like we're crazy. They all want to move to the US!

Now don't get me wrong, the French abhor, US mega-corporations, Monsanto, all the war machines. But the French adore Obama, and adore the US.

I saw a T-Shirt worn by an Arab kid at the mall just a month ago. A picture of the Trade Towers, and the bad English underneath - the Big Apple Doesn't Run!

Having a special relationship with the French is great now. Remember the French helped us during the Revolutionary War kick the Brit's out!

hi im french and half portuguese and its disgusting to see so much racism we french love america we just dont like to go to war for nothin like iraq.....
and we #*** hate this midget of sarkozi