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Originally posted by SmurfBeliever
Anyway, I thought the 2nd Amendment was for the right to bear arms to form a militia???
Originally posted by beveridge02
First of all, the law permitting you to bear firearms is not a "god-given" right. There is serious flawed thinking in that.
Originally posted by Kryties
reply to post by mydarkpassenger
Very rarely do we get reports of people being killed by guns here.
Knives - yes,
"As we understand it, there have been law enforcement contacts with the individual where he made threats to kill," Dupnik said during a press conference Saturday evening. But he wouldn't say who those threats were aimed at.
When Pima County Sheriff’s Office was informed, his deputies assured the victims that he was being well managed by the mental health system. It was also suggested that further pressing of charges would be unnecessary and probably cause more problems than it solved as Jared Loughner has a family member that works for Pima County.
Originally posted by Libertygal
[...] if you take away guns, people will find other tools. The people that have guns for legitimate reasons are not the ones to worry about, also proven in your statement.
It is the intent, not the tool used to generate the outcome.
Like the old saying goes, guns don't kill people, people kill people.
Take away the guns and what do people use next? Knives.
Originally posted by TedStevensLives
Also, if guns were the problem, why isn't gun violence such a prevalent problem in Norway or Canada? The problem obviously lies deeper than just the availability of firearms.
Originally posted by Beaux
reply to post by Golf66
Originally posted by Golf66: [I'm guessing you are not all that open to real discussion so I'll skip any reference to the pesky constitution that guarantees the people the right to guns.
And I'm guessing you do not do well with speculation since you are incorrect. Although tying an adjective like "pesky" to the constitution does deliver a level of unwarranted and needless sarcasm.
As a gun owner myself and a proponent of the Second Amendment of that "pesky" constitution, I have always supported responsible gun ownership. But I also know that they are made for only one purpose: to kill. I know of many reasons when that may be necessary but comparing gun deaths to automobile deaths is still a useless comparison and is meaningless except to say people get killed all the time. They were just killed by things not made to specifically do so. A gun is unique in that perspective.
When the Second Amendment was written, the Founding Fathers were addressing flintlocks and muskets. I do not know that they ever envisioned a future when a single person with a gun could have destroyed a squad or company of their soldiers in under a minute. If they knew that in 1791 when it was adopted into law, would they have so easily ratified it? I do not know and neither does anyone else. But we can speculate.
So, argue onward. And save the drudgery of the standard "Guns 101" rhetoric. Guns don't kill people, only people using the gun for the sole purpose it was made.
Originally posted by SaturnFX
tapdancing around logic means jack there dude, wake up.
Originally posted by Primordial
It doesn't matter if high cap mags are banned or not. They exist. If someone wants one they will get it, or just load up more lower capacity ones.
In this case the sheriff and mental health system failed. Not the gun legislation in place. He was already not allowed to own a gun because of his mental state. Didn't stop him. The sheriff received complaints about him and did nothing. Fail. If he couldn't legally buy a gun he could easily get one on the street or steal one. He could have calmly walked in and cracked a guard in the head and taken his gun. If he REALLY couldn't get a gun and was determined to kill these people he COULD have just pulled a McVeigh and blown the whole place up, killing everyone in there.
A gun doesn't fire without a person pulling the trigger!
why you would need a 30-round clip for a handgun
Originally posted by Whereweheaded
Gun Grabbing Congress Critters Come Out of Woodwork After Giffords Shooting
(visit the link for the full news article)
The shooting of Rep. Giffords and others by a mentally deranged man in Arizona has brought anti-Second Amendment ghouls out of the shadows.
Dedicated gun-grabber Sen. Frank Lautenberg, a New Jersey Democrat, is renewing his effort to chisel away at the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. “The only reason to have 33 bullets loaded in a handgun is to kill a lot of people very quickly. These high-capacity clips simply should not be on the market,” Lautenberg said on Monday following the weekend shThe poster child for the destruction of the Second Amendment, New York Democrat Rep. Carolyn Mc