reply to post by harryhaller
You just don't get it do you?
The police operate based on two manuals, one is the legal code, the other is thier training.
Although I have known a few cops over the years and most were good people, I do have to be honest though; they are not the most imaginative people in
the world. A trait that seems to be increasingly sought after in recruiting.
There is no interpretation, just black and white, innocent and guilty. Exactly the type of mentality that can be exploited as situations deteriorate.
This is made even worse by having a federal police force doing local policing. It is not an accident that the RCMP must spend several years outside of
thier home community before being able to transfer back. If you only hire a particular type of person and then put them in an unfamiliar enviroment
they have no ties to, where it is US and THEM, you can be guarenteed of a particular outcome (ie, blind observance of the letter of the law without
any thought to the particular circumstances of each individual case).
If you are behaving a way that thier training has told them is illegal and to be alert for then they are going to come after you with the law. What
this case shows is that regardless of what they find, you will be punished somehow.
If they can't charge you they will fine you, if there is no relevant fine you will be billed for thier time.
Open your eyes. The behavior of these homeowners exactly matched what the police have been trained to recognize. Massive power bills have been
identified as a sign of a grow-op. It is such a blatent sign that those who do actually run grow-ops professionally go to pretty impressive lengths to
devise strategies to get around it.
In my city a few years ago a grow-op was accidentally discovered. It came as a complete shock to the community because it was in a 500 000 dollar home
in a well-to-do neighbourhood. It wasn't in a the type of building that the police would look to as being a possible target, and the operators were
very careful not to allow any activity that would be unusal for a residential nieghbourhood to occur so it went un-noticed.
When the investigation concluded, what was discovered was the house was specifically targetted by the group responsible because there were underground
powerlines on the property. They had tunneled to the lines, spliced into them and then had access to all the power they could ever want.
No meter, no flags, no problems.
The news article mentions that these people have dealt with the police before, that this is a recurring problem for them.
Of course it is.
They have a target on them now and probably will continue to until they go to the courts with thier harassment case. I promise you, we will hear about
these people again because until thier case is heard the police will continue along thier current path.
As another example, When I was working in a downtown bar having dealers on the premises was just a fact of the industry. The ones who kept a low
profile and didn't fit in to the stereotype that the police look for rarely got bothered. Those that did fit the stereotype ended up in jail rather
Draw attention to yourself and you will be payed attention to.
Once the problems start they will continue until there is some type of resolution either way.
As another example, years ago a friend of mine, an admitted alchoholic, appeared on the police radar. He drove the three blocks from the bar to his
home with a police tail that had been waiting in the bar's parking lot looking for people just like him. He managed to lose them just long enough to
park his car, toss the keys and sit on his step before they got to his house. There was nothing they could do because they couldn't place HIM in the
But they were aware of him now.
Having learned from his near miss, he left the car at home and took his bike. When they found him biking home he was charged with drunk-driving
because he was operating a vehicle on the roads while intoxicated.
So he started to walk home.
They charged him with being drunk in public.
This went on until he had enough and actually went to court over one of the fines...he was moving out of the province because of a job so fighting the
police wouldn't paint an even larger target on him. The police (the RCMP) argued that the charges were valid as he could take a cab. He argued that he
shouldn't have to take a cab because you could literally see his house from the bar. The charges had nothing to do with anything other then he was
drunk and as such could be fined.
The judge agreed and waived all fines. The judge, to his credit, was able to see that the police were being lazy, they had identified a sure thing for
fines and everytime they saw this guy he was going to be stopped and charged.
It is the same thing in this case and others like it, part of the problem is that fighting these actions is expensive and time consuming so people
just pay up and then bitch about the fines instead of standing up against them.
In the last two years documents have been released showing that it is an actual mandate in the city of Winnipeg and the entire province of Quebec that
each officer has a quota that must be met. Under these types of situations, we the public have to do everything WE can not to give these groups any
excuse to target us.
What is disturbing to me most, and the reason I have continued in this thread instead of giving up, is that people don't realize that one simple fact
yet. So let me repeat it.
DON'T DO ANYTHING THAT DRAWS ATTENTION TO YOURSELF IN A WAY THAT CAN BE EXPLOITED BY THE POLICE.
If you, and all the others who have reponded to me had actually thought about my posts you would have seen what my point was.
Or perhaps I am giving you too much credit.
This is a case of 'know your enemy', although I do not wish to imply that the police are your enemy, it is up to us to know how these groups operate,
what thier motivations are and then do everything we can to avoid any situation that causes us to cross paths with them.
To sit and say that that I support these practices, or that I am on the same page as a murderer, is uneducated and ignorant.
Grow up, understand the world we are surrounded by and try to blend in as much as you possiblly can. As things get worse, and they are going to get
worse, any person who stands out from the rest of the herd is going to have serious problems.
These homeowners behaved in a way that fit a crimminal profile perfectly. The police WERE doing thier job as demanded by the public and supported by
the legal system. Regardless of the situation surrounding pot and whether it is right or wrong, the majority of the public has continued to support
the status quo. The police used long standing, accepted techniques that have been continually supported by the judicial system to identify a
particular type of crimminal behavior.
They were doing thier job as it has been repeatedly outlined for them. The only thing that is new, and what makes this case noteworthy, is that local
governments have discovered a cash cow that can be exploited.
Increased revenue without the unpopular action of raising taxes.
Public support is BOUGHT by hinting at increased expense for all. In the case of the mould mentioned, it is another well documented sign of a current
or past grow op. To the public, it is an expensive nightmare that a future owner will have to deal with in order to meet insurance regulations.
See a trend here? It's not just that laws are being written that make almost everything crimminal in some way, but government allows us to be
victimized by businesses (in this case an insurance company...homeowners insurance is mandatory, just look at your mortgage) in whatever way is most
profitable to them.
Got a big enough lobby group and you get your way.
The majority of police are good peole who honestly believe that thier actions are making our country a better place. Individual laws, when reviewed
individually do not have the appearance of totalitarianism and as such are supported and upheld by the good cops out there.
It is only when you step back and see the big picture that you can realize that we are being played.
As much as I hate this arguement, the officers were just doing what they are told under the belief that they actually are helping the public. It is
the people BEHIND the laws that need to be addressed.
You, and others, have fallen for the plan hook, line and sinker; blame the police for doing thier jobs and your anger stops there. No thought, or very
little, is given to the real cause of this situation or those who truely are to blame. You hate the police and demand that something be done about
them instead of using the tools we have at our disposale, the courts, to address the problem at it's source yourself.
The police are being scapegoated. Although there are undoubtedly bad cops, they are the exception.
Again, the story is the fines that were levied on the homeowners even after it was discovered that thier actions, while highly suspicious, are not
This will be my final word on this topic and thread; people need to smarten up and not make themselves a target. It doesn't matter whether you are
innocent or not; if you fit a stereotype that has been green lighted for targetting you will become a target and suffer the consequences.
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