reply to post by tristar
I appreciate not just your considered response and the time you took to craft it, but as always you yourself, and the desire to share those things
which your insights, experiences, position and discretion allow you to.
Yet the truth is that while my previous post in part revolves around those who serve the state as an armed employee of it, it really had much more to
do with the nature of the statist beast than the people who serve it.
While most of us do not doubt what you have so eloquently in part confirmed to be a unique truth to you that serving it can lead to many compromising
decisions that make some question the personal human toll of always following them as a career path is an ongoing struggle, my original comments were
in fact aimed at the fact that it is a system that does cause many of the people who do serve it to at times, and some of us would say far to often,
carry out actions that they have been ordered to that do compromise the individuals better judgment or assessment in order to obey the chain of
command, retain their position, and opportunities for advancement, and learn some how to grin and bear the systems occasional ‘mistakes’ and
excesses in the process.
My intention was and is not to portray the people who serve the state as mindless sadists drunk on the privilege and power invested in them using it
simply as a means to satiate the sometimes darker aspects of human behavior.
But rather to honestly address the role that such people play in perpetuating a statist system that one might typify either as one prone to make
mistakes of poor judgment to excuse those harder to quantify and carry out acts it decrees through it’s edicts that sometimes as you say leads to a
‘moral dilemma’ or one of ‘personal crisis’ as being not really accidental or a mistake, but a deliberate contrivance of an ever expanding
state seeking to expand it’s power and control in all things to have total right in all things against the rights it wishes to eliminate of all
other things through a power that is based on dominance that employs violence to achieve that dominance in a cold calculating way where the violence
is being used simply to achieve power and control for the state in its ongoing quest to have all rights in all things against others.
We know in times past that when a State takes this to its ultimate excess in examples like Nazi Germany that it’s armed employees often seek to
negate their personal involvement as one of ‘just following orders’ yet we also know that ultimately that in such extreme cases that this offends
the basic sensibilities of humanity who often then does hold them to account, insisting that they had at some junction or juncture the moral
obligation to refuse to follow orders, because they certainly must have known the cruel dehumanizing violent nature of their actions served nothing
but a state seeking to gain absolute right against everyone and everything in all things.
It is my contention that many of us exist now within states who have as so many states often do, evolved to that point to expand and perpetuate itself
it now requires and desires to achieve that status of having all right against everything and everyone for the sake of it’s power and dominance and
that it is most often achieving it through a very similar process of violence, violent intimidation into submission to it, and threat of lethal force
or imprisonment for failure to comply.
We in fact see this evident in many things that the TSA does, and Homeland Security does where citizens once presumed to be innocent are now assumed
to be guilty who must now upon the insistence of armed employees of the state undergo intrusive questions and searches designed to prove they are not
guilty in a non-courtroom setting, where there is no reasonable suspicion, where there is no due process, and where failure to comply results in an
escalation of armed aggression by the state’s employees that can include physical violence, detainment and imprisonment.
So in essence the State has in fact exceeded its mandate and it is doing it with the armed employees it uses to do that, who it does direct to do
that, and does train and teach and order to use violence and intimidation to carry that out.
So while as always the propaganda arm of the state seeks to make that a reasonable process that all should accept, it is not a reasonable process that
all want to accept otherwise the state would not have to carry it out with the threat of violence and imprisonment for failure to comply.
So we have reached that ultimate moral crisis of state, where those who serve it, must for their own benefit as well as the people and the state begin
to question and challenge it themselves or they risk the absolute ruin of the state and themselves when it carries through with those excesses that
typically lead to the state being stopped by external sources that will then hold it to account in it’s actions through first ruining and
dismantling the systems that the state did to do this, and then holding those to account who survived that process that enabled it, in it’s most
The people who enable it in its most aggressive acts are the people tasked with carrying out those aggressive acts.
So no this is not the bad rogue cop abusing his position that I still do not hesitate to lodge a complaint against and redress, this is about the bad
rogue state that has run away from the will of it’s people to exercise it’s own in it’s quest to expand it’s power and dominate all things
through a violent and dictatorial process to give itself the right in all things against all other people and things to perpetuate itself.
We know that in such states as Nazi Germany that ultimately many of the armed employees of the state chose to serve it out of fear, and fear it they
do too, for loss of position, or liberty or life for that refusal to serve it, aide or abet it, when it takes on that beastly scope that far exceeds
it’s intended mandate by the people, and no longer serves the people but seeks to compromise them in every way shape and form.
Which my friend at that point and juncture puts to the test the notion that those who serve the state do it for the benefit of us all, and bravely
risk life and limb for the benefit of us all, because if at that point they take the cowardly way out of not fighting against the thing that most
threatens the average person and all things, which is the state that employs them, the truth then is known, that they serve the state because it
serves them individually and not us, because they will not risk life and limb to serve us and protect us, when there only reward is the actual deed
and knowing what ever sacrifice they had to bear was only for us, when it means loosing the financial rewards and the protected status that they have
achieved through serving the state, that only claims to serve us, which it always does well after the point it knows it no longer serves us.
So as always then it comes down to that ultimate test of service to self or service to others, with service to self, serving the state that does a
disservice to others, and service to others challenging the state that wishes to and does employ those it arms to carry out the disservices to us.
This is what my post is about.
I know you know that, and pretending that our society is ideal, is not at this juncture, has any remedy or desire to correct itself, and any real hope
that it could, is really jut a form of denial and avoidance of the much deeper darker and more ominous things that are at play.
History provides some real examples of those who dared to speak out early on when the writing was on the wall and there still was a chance to avoid
these tragic recurring moments of insanity and tragedy when a state grows into a monster with a life and will of its own.
Will we learn to break the cycle by learning the hard lessons of the past that task us with the hard decisions of today, will we take the easy path of
denial and avoidance that leads to the hardest path to utter ruin of death and destruction and dismantling of the state through a violent process that
consumes it and most in it, or will we take the hard path to true social responsibility and honesty that leads to the easy path in the long run of
restoring a state to a balance that gives both the state and those that dwell within it rights of recourse against each other, for true crimes instead
of those it simply wishes to be crimes or legal to have every right against everyone and everything for it’s own benefit.
That is the million dollar question I am putting to you, one that has nothing to do with the trooper gunned down by a violent criminal, but one that
ultimately in the end, leaves the trooper the violent criminal in expanding and protecting the right of the state against that innocent person who did
not carry out a crime of violence or act of aggression against it, but simply said no, I have a right not to be dictated to and forced to comply with
every last edict you wish, when it degrades me, dehumanizes me, seeks to willfully slander me, and falsely represent me, because I will not accept it
should have every right in everything against everyone.
This is what I am talking about, just in case I have not made it perfectly clear.
The ultimate dilemma, the ultimate question, to those who serve this system, do you really serve us, do you really serve them, or do you really serve
yourself, and who is it you really want to serve because lying about the nature of this beast might lead you to serving something you truly will be
ashamed to have done at the end of the line.
It’s all about choices, choices we all have to make every day.
We all know something big bad, terrible and ugly is happening that revolves around the state.
It is the most valid and topical question therefore one could pose.
Thanks my friend.
edit on 15/1/11 by ProtoplasmicTraveler because: (no reason given)