To all the people who want to ban guns.

Ok, we have both sides of the argument, and those who oppose have yet to provide facts? Many posters on this thread state that it is a fact that more deaths are caused by guns than anything else? Um...wrong!.. Case in point:

www.the-eggman.com...

This link shows the death rate of incidents as well as percentages.

Secondly, the 2nd Amendment is very clear.

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Most people don't understand that the reasons this right was even implemented was because of that time and era, the requirement to defend ones self, hunt for food, and defend the country shall not be infringed. What part of " right of the people shall not be infringed", don't you people get?

I see many whom wish to oppose the rights of the public, and they're entitled to their opinion, ( granted to them by the first Amendment, which they obviously take for granted), and yet their sole basis of argument is based off of emotion. The inability to conjure up a constructive statement with verified facts would appear to me, to be beyond their reasoning.

Who's to say, if we the people, gave up and said here USG, take our weapons, do you think that's all the USG would actually take? Once you give them a foot, they will attempt to take a mile. And that is all they want, control. SO, go ahead lil sheeple, cower down to your masters, and give away your rights, and liberties, but when the SHTF, don't come trying to look for help by those of us whom kept our rights....better you than me!

reply to post by JonoEnglish


you and that newscientist link are wrong. your less likely to be killed if your armed because you can protect yourself. guns offer protection. you cant protect yourself with a spoon when someone enters your house trying to rob you while your eating your soup. but you can pull out a gun and he'll think twice because he wants to keep his head on his shoulders. the day the government bans guns is the day the country goes to # because all the people with illegal or unregistered guns and no guns permits will know no one else has a gun and they'll be free to use it at will without any risk of them being shot. if more people had guns people would think twice about who they mess with. no one wants to get shot so you wont do anything to get yourself shot. guns are like dogs, big ones anyway, no ones afraid of a maltese or #zu, i hate tea cup dogs, when someone is contemplating going into your house when your not there and you got a pitbull or an argentinian mastiff or a cane corso, an american bulldog, anything big with the power to chew you up, they turn the other way.

Its Better To Own A Gun And Not Need One, Than To Need A Gun And Not Own One.

reply to post by Rocky Black



Guns are hear to stay and always will be and they should never be taken away from Law Abiding Citizens of Sane Mind. Look up history on different leaders that banned firearms Hitler is probably the biggest name that comes to mind and all of us know what he did, he banned firearms because it would make his agenda of white supremecy that much easier and his troops wouldn't have to fight off armed citizens. Gun control is a Bad thing and its my right and your right as humans to have the means to defend yourself or your family from bodily harm or death from another Individual or a Tyranical Government as the Constitution States.

All the Gun Control freaks out there should be more upset at the school systems for letting that freak slip through the cracks. The guy clearly had a past of mental disorders and that is something that doesn't happen overnight it takes years and years to develop. Be mad at his Family and friends for ignoring all the behavioral warning signs and letting it get to this point. Sure guns can kill, so can just about anything if one uses it for that intended purpose but it all comes down to the person behind the weapon, if someone has intent to kill they will use whatever means they can to accomplish their task. What if this guy didn't use a gun and decided to use his car instead and just mow over a crowd of people driving at 60mph, would you then be on a mission to ban cars?

I do agree that things need to change in this world BUT banning firearms for Law Abiding Citizens is not the way to go about improving the world. Tougher mental screening of children and young adults in public/private schools and colleges would be the place i'd start at. People like Jared should've never been able to walk the streets without a straight jacket on and I blame his Family, Friends and the Schools that he attended for ignoring his behavioral warning signs, not the gun.

reply to post by ExCloud


If you are going to use statistics to make your point here then you could at least use statistics that pertain to the matter being discussed.

Your statistics were for "homicide".

While slightly out of date, these here are for "GUN deaths" and are more applicable:

U.S. Leads Richest Nations In Gun Deaths
BY CHELSEA J. CARTER THE ASSOCIATED PRESS ATLANTA --

The United States has by far the highest rate of gun deaths -- murders, suicides and accidents -- among the world's 36 richest nations, a government study found. The U.S. rate for gun deaths in 1994 was 14.24 per 100,000 people. Japan had the lowest rate, at .05 per 100,000.
The study, done by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, is the first comprehensive international look at gun-related deaths. It was published Thursday in the International Journal of Epidemiology.
The CDC would not speculate why the death rates varied, but other researchers said easy access to guns and society's acceptance of violence are part of the problem in the United States. ``If you have a country saturated with guns -- available to people when they are intoxicated, angry or depressed -- it's not unusual guns will be used more often,'' said Rebecca Peters, a Johns Hopkins University fellow specializing in gun violence. ``This has to be treated as a public health emergency.''
The National Rifle Association called the study shoddy because it failed to examine all causes of violent deaths. ``What this shows is the CDC is after guns. They aren't concerned with violence. It's pretending that no homicide exists unless it's related to guns,'' said Paul Blackman, a research coordinator for the NRA in Fairfax, Va.
The 36 countries chosen were listed as the richest in the World Bank's 1994 World Development Report, with the highest GNP per capita income. The study used 1994 statistics supplied by the 36 countries. Of the 88,649 gun deaths reported by all the countries, the United States accounted for 45 percent, said Etienne Krug, a CDC researcher and co-author of the article. Japan, where very few people own guns, averages 124 gun-related attacks a year, and less than 1 percent end in death. Police often raid the homes of those suspected of having weapons. The study found that gun-related deaths were five to six times higher in the Americas than in Europe or Australia and New Zealand and 95 times higher than in Asia. Here are gun-related deaths per 100,000 people in the world's 36 richest countries in 1994: United States 14.24; Brazil 12.95; Mexico 12.69; Estonia 12.26; Argentina 8.93; Northern Ireland 6.63; Finland 6.46; Switzerland 5.31; France 5.15; Canada 4.31; Norway 3.82; Austria 3.70; Portugal 3.20; Israel 2.91; Belgium 2.90; Australia 2.65; Slovenia 2.60; Italy 2.44; New Zealand 2.38; Denmark 2.09; Sweden 1.92; Kuwait 1.84; Greece 1.29; Germany 1.24; Hungary 1.11; Republic of Ireland 0.97; Spain 0.78; Netherlands 0.70; Scotland 0.54; England and Wales 0.41; Taiwan 0.37; Singapore 0.21; Mauritius 0.19; Hong Kong 0.14; South Korea 0.12; Japan 0.05.

Source

I don't know how today's statistics would comare, but I bet there are quite a few more guns around than back then.

reply to post by ExCloud



I was just thinking the same thing. I have been shooting guns for 40yrs, where I went to school in Oklahoma we had NRA gun education for two days, this is in 6th grade, we also were allowed to carry pocket knifes at school. We didn't look at our guns as a way to kill each other, we were taught responsibility with guns, we hunted and target practiced with them. We didn't slash each other with our knifes after school, we whittled sticks and played chicken( throwing them into the ground) with them. Thru the yrs the perception of guns has changed, most now if they see a gun they think death, bad, evil. When I saw a gun as a kid my thoughts were, cool lets grab some ammo, pop cans for targets and go have some fun for a few hrs. Guns have been part of American culture since day one, my Grandfather, Dad and I have all put food on the table by being allowed to bear arms. There's no redneck, cowboy, caveman mentality about it for me and a lots of others, to a lot of us it means if I don't have money for food I will still eat. I mostly target shoot now and love it, it's a good release, would I love to shoot someone NO. It's all in the mindset behind the trigger. No different than owning a baseball bat, I can hit baseballs or bash someones head with it, I personally just see it as a way to hit fly balls. I feel sorry for the countries that have banned guns and knifes but I'm sure the local grocery loves it because you are dependent on them. Did they ban fishing poles too?

reply to post by nerbot


I am stating the fact that it doesnt matter guns or not crimes happen and the US isnt the highest rated place. So get over it.

Originally posted by knylon90
reply to post by JohnnyCanuck

 

It's part of the American way of thinking to happily and willingly trade personal safety for personal freedom. It's the basis our country was founded on. Back in 1700s we told the king to shove it, ignoring the fact that'd he send an army bigger than our country to put us in our place. It's just how we think.

The freedom to live your life as you please without fear of judgement, oppression, or ridicule is more important to me than my own life. And I mean that for everyone. I'd give everything up to defend not only my fellow American rights as humans but, anyone from any country. Governments don't decide what freedoms we deserve, we do. If you aren't willing to fight for it the you probably will never attain it. No authority figure can make you do anything if you aren't afraid of them. What's your life really worth if it's spent in servitude to those who only want to oppress you?

Also, I'm not saying it's wrong to sit down and be quiet if you feel that's your best course of action but, is that really satisfying in any way?

edit on 11-1-2011 by knylon90 because: (no reason given)

Thanks mate, it's good to know that there are still comedians around.

Hahahaha "trading personal safety for personal freedom"

What a joke!

Credit card debt.
Slave to TV.
1001 choices of the same flavour, different brand.

Enjoy your 'personal freedom' while others have their freedom down the barrel of a gun " I'd give everything up to defend not only my fellow American rights as humans but, anyone from any country."

What if their idea of freedom was different than yours? Would you still try to protect it?

Unfortunately guns are a fact of modern life and it pains me that so many people want them and wish to use them to inflict harm on others.

I really do hope an asteroid wipes us out. We're too stupid to last much longer anyway.

Oh, and that smell? The smell of self-righteous, self-serving, lack-of-empathy-all-socialism-is-bad (how's YOUR healthcare going?) greenback-enhanced (rofl) halitosis worn by right-leaning conservatives.....give me a hippy stench any day. At least I know they care about more than themselves.

reply to post by mtnshredder


If were banning guns and fishing poles we might as well ban knives and bows am I right? Okay lets ban anything that can be used as a weapon maybe this is a solution? I think not

Yes I agree guns are meant to be fun. You should be taught about them as I was and not be taught to use them with force etc. To me it stems back to mental state and parenting?

I enjoyed your post thank you.

reply to post by nerbot


Also I am going to take just from what you have wrote. I will not take the time to browse the whole page as I am running out of time before I have to pickup my daughter, but here you go.

The National Rifle Association called the study shoddy because it failed to examine all causes of violent deaths. ``What this shows is the CDC is after guns. They aren't concerned with violence. It's pretending that no homicide exists unless it's related to guns,'' said Paul Blackman, a research coordinator for the NRA in Fairfax, Va.

reply to post by JonoEnglish


reply to post by thisguyrighthere


Jesus christ.

Anyone caught illegally in possession of a firearm, needs to get 10 years prison.
Anyone caught committing a crime with a firearm, life in prison.
Anyone killing someone with a firearm in the act of a crime, death.

This is all fine and dandy, but it's a little too much. What i hear on the first one is: Over board. The second? Attempted robbery with a firearm is life? That's safety, but it's too much.And the third sounds a lot like An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth. Nothing gets solved that way.

People need to understand that people will still die even if guns are destroyed, banned, etc. What next? Scissors? Knife fights? Hit and Run? Anteing up those mini lasers? People are surrounded by ways they can get killed more than they use their brains. Yeah, a gun is deadly, and it should be controlled, but just because a random drug dealer can't shoot you, doesn't mean an unlawful cop won't. It doesn't mean a terrorist won't, And it doesn't mean that the 300+ Million in this country here don't know other ways they can take a human life.

reply to post by purplemer

it is as simple as this... guns make it easier to kill people.. a lot easier...

they simplu hould be banned....

but no in the usa.. we like big guns... big engines...and big penises

plz lads grow up...

I will repeat my self. It is not the gun it is the HAND holding the gun that belonged to a KNOWN lunatic!

Further more said Lunatic had been reported to the police but had not been removed from society.

WHY???

Because laws passed in the 1970's Deinstitutionalized the mentally Ill. www.mentalhelp.net...

According to the Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration, 20 to 25% of the homeless population in the United States suffers from some form of severe mental illness.

Your rally want to fix the problem then start getting those with severe mental illness off the Freacken streets! The Incarceration Rate GRAPH shows how after the mentally ill were "deinstitutionalized" the number of people jailed skyrocketed from below 500,000 in 1970 to 7,225,800 people at the end 2009. Approximately one in every 18 men in the United States is behind bars or being monitored.

And while you are at it do something about the drug problem. Again the US passed laws in the 1970's mandating school busing. This meant young drug pushers spread the drug problem to all parts of US society.

Drug related deaths from 1981 to 1989 GRAPH shows the sharp increase in coc aine related deaths.

This graph is a REAL EYE OPENER Homicide Rates in the United States 1900-1990

Distribution (Percentage) of All Drug Arrests Since 1941 by Decade

Oh, yeah I do not have a big penis I just distrust the big penises in the District of Criminals.

Originally posted by ExCloud
reply to post by purplemer

 

Again you just want to ban them from the people who do not use them for any form of criminal act and that is not in any way shape or form fair. I dare you I dare anyone to try and take the guns from this state or any other state where hunting as is big as it is up here.

'you would dare me to try and take...'

that ir is a threat and it is why you should not be allowed to own a gun..

your response is typical and it is why they need banning...

wake up and see the reflection....

kx

I say this to anyone who wants to ban guns.

Explain the 2nd amendment to me.

reply to post by purplemer


Whos to say I will use a gun when you come to take said gun? You assume this see this is where your logic is wrong. You step a foot in my house and are attempting to take anything odds are you will be knocked the explicit word out. I wouldn't pull a gun on you or shoot you. You will not get any form of real punishment if I did that you would have your way out.

Your logic is all Americans have guns for is to kill. No if someone was to come into my house I wouldn't shoot first ask questions later, but if this is your mentality and your thought of what others are like this is probably how you would be with a firearm and you are one of them who has no business owning one.

reply to post by JohnnyCanuck


You sir, have to much maple syrup clogging your brain. but really we'll keep our guns and you can keep sippin the syrup

Originally posted by ExCloud
reply to post by purplemer

 

Whos to say I will use a gun when you come to take said gun? You assume this see this is where your logic is wrong. You step a foot in my house and are attempting to take anything odds are you will be knocked the explicit word out. I wouldn't pull a gun on you or shoot you. You will not get any form of real punishment if I did that you would have your way out.

so if i was sent round to get youre gun you would physicaly atack me?

you seem to have a lot of anger in you... really i dont think you are in a fit state to own a gun. your not helping your case one bit..

kx

reply to post by mtnshredder

Did they ban fishing poles too?

They are thinking about it.

Is the Obama administration trying to ban sport fishing? Not at this time. Is the Obama administration setting up structures and processes that could, and probably will, eventually result in more regulatory restrictions on sport fishing? You betcha.... bigjournalism.com...

Congress has effectively banned private farming as of 20012. Between the proposed EPA Farm Dust regulations, DOT tractor regulations and the FDA/UN farm regulations, expect to see a drastic decline in privately owned farms and a sharp increase in your food bills. All those new regs are going to cost money and the money is going to come out of our pockets.

reply to post by purplemer


I wouldn't attack you I would tell you to leave first off and inform you of my rights. If you were to violate my rights and not come back with the proper materials to enter my home and take my weapons(you would need a reason or some fact stating I have violated any right to own the weapon such as a felony etc). Also you would need a warrant to enter my house. Thus if you entered without these proper things then yes you would receive what you had coming. This would make me angry as you would be violating my rights. Shall we continue?

reply to post by ExCloud

Thus if you entered without these proper things then yes you would receive what you had coming. This would make me angry as you would be violating my rights. Shall we continue?

I do not think Purplemer knows what the color of the law is.

In 1976, the Washington, D.C. City Council passed a law generally prohibiting residents from possessing handguns and requiring that all firearms in private homes be (1) kept unloaded and (2) rendered temporally inoperable via disassembly or installation of a trigger lock. The law became operative on Sept. 24, 1976.



June 26, 2008, the U.S. Supreme Court, in a 5-4 ruling, struck down this law as unconstitutional.

The years in which the D.C. handgun ban and trigger lock law was in effect, the Washington, D.C. murder rate averaged 73% higher than it was at the outset of the law.

Just looking at this alone, I would prefer everyone to have a gun...and recommend that you shouldn’t be afraid to use it when needed. Every American should be able to protect his life, family, property along with standing up against government oppression.