To all the people who want to ban guns.

Originally posted by mtnshredder
reply to post by EarthCitizen07

 

Yes, the semi "assault" ban was stupid. Heres why www.weaponscombat.com... The difference between a hunting semi and a assualt rifle for the most part is looks, you can achieve the same results with a hunting rifle. The N. Hollwood bank shootings are one of the few times (modern day) fully automatic weapons made a lrg impact of the crime being commited and they're dead. With all the red tape to own a machine gun, FBI background checks , registration and price $$$$$ most criminals are not going to spend 5K-15K+, not many people have them, so not many criminals steal them, not to mention anyone that owns a full auto is probably not the easiest person to go stealing a gun from. Machine guns are not an issue in the big picture, matter fact it's probably mute at best especially when you figure in the ease of converting a semi to full.

If someone has to spend $5-$10 thousand to LEGALLY own a machine gun then that means only organised crime and government forces will have them. We don't live in a perfect world so hey what can you do? I feel content with a semi-auto shotgun that can be used for both hunting and self-defence. Bird shot for food and buck shot for the criminals!

Originally posted by mtnshredder
reply to post by JohnnyCanuck

 

Thanks for the understaning Johnny, thats all I'm looking for and I'm sure most others that live here, your priorities seem to be very well in place, you've had one of the most un-biased and rational replies in this entire thread. For the record I think Canada and UK are our brothers and awesome people and we will always have your back as for the most part you've always had ours. Moosehead and a Guiness on me.

I don't know about canada but in the UK you can legally own only air guns which is pathetically silly. Everyone should have a right to self-defense and sport shooting provided you are not insane, not a criminal, at least 21 and have some basic training to get a permit.

Strict gun control is bad policy..period!

reply to post by mtnshredder

...I would rather be dead than allowing my gov to control every aspect of my life and make all my decisions for me as your's has for you. You've been conditioned to do what your gov tells you to do rather than standing up for yourself for what you think's right or wrong.

Just as well you're outa here as you are now just making things up. If anything, Americans are much more likely to blindly follow their "leader" than Canadians. Remember, we didn't invade Iraq just because some idiot with a title told us to. In fact we told that guy where to stick it.

reply to post by TKDRL


He doesnt seem very 'together' if you catch my drift.

I posted a while back stats and estimates for the current number of known and unknown firearms in Canada. It was upwards of 11 million with more than a quarter of all households having at least one.

He made a bizarre remark about how that wasnt really Canada and it didnt matter.

The misinformation he's spreading might not be intentional. Could just be delusional in that wishes and buts have taken the place of reality and fact.

Originally posted by TKDRL
reply to post by wayno

 

You are spreading misinformation bro. Canada is not gunless by a long shot. In my province it is still legal to own a handgun, even an"assault rifle". Maybe in the province you live in, it is all koombuya and there are no guns etc, but it is not a canada wide thing by a long shot.

...and what are the rules to carry it? That's the important part.

Reply to post by JohnnyCanuck

If "rules" are the important part it's worth noting there are "rules" against assault and murder. "Rules" against threatening and brandishing. "Rules" against felons having them at all.

Rules arent followed.

Not one rule is going to keep anyone from killing anyone if they wanted to.

It isnt your "rules" that keep people from killing each other with the guns they have. It's your people not being crazy. What makes more crazies here than there I have some theories but "rules" arent going to change anything anywhere.


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Originally posted by wayno
reply to post by mtnshredder

 

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Just as well you're outa here as you are now just making things up. If anything, Americans are much more likely to blindly follow their "leader" than Canadians. Remember, we didn't invade Iraq just because some idiot with a title told us to. In fact we told that guy where to stick it.

Dude you seem to be ignorant past the point you need to be. No, not making this up. For one: America collectively does not agree with what Bush did and couldn't wait to get rid of him, hence our other lame choice that had a landslide victory in the elections, if you want to call it a choice. Seeing that you told us to stick it maybe we should have the same attitude as you do to us, the next time Canada needs help. ( we won't but maybe we should make you learn from your mistakes.) Sad thing is you seem to have a country full of people that you agree with and we have one that we don't and we made that voice heard, big time. Most of what I've heard (and not all) from your fellow countryman is compliance whether you really wanted it or not, you did it. Put down your means of protecting yourself and country and just call us to come save ya, we're just a short distance due south we could be there fairly quick, go hide, something we don't have to do. I'm just curious but where do you get all of your technology, planes and guns from, that allow you to sleep better at night? Do you even have a weapons manufacturer there? Or do you just calls us when you're threatened. FYI, I have a few Canadian friends that think nothing along the lines that you do, of what percentage do you think your fellow countryman thinks the same way as you do? You seem to have a lot of defense toys that say made in the USA so I know you're not all ignorant.

Originally posted by thisguyrighthere
Reply to post by JohnnyCanuck

 

If "rules" are the important part it's worth noting there are "rules" against assault and murder. "Rules" against threatening and brandishing. "Rules" against felons having them at all.
Rules arent followed.
Not one rule is going to keep anyone from killing anyone if they wanted to.
It isnt your "rules" that keep people from killing each other with the guns they have. It's your people not being crazy. What makes more crazies here than there I have some theories but "rules" arent going to change anything anywhere.

I am challenging the notion that our laws are comparable to those in the US...they are not. Carry permits outside of law enforcement and military are few and far between. My pal has handguns...they are required to be locked in a safe, etc, etc.

Not the same as open carry. And again...there is a reason for your exponentially larger murder rate. You figure it out...not my problem

Originally posted by Lilitu
I don't want to see guns banned per say. The 2nd amendment affords us the right to keep and bear arms. We can own and carry them but please note the 2nd amendment stops there. It does not give you the right to discharge a weapon.

That negates the use of guns and makes it POINTLESS to own them!

If your going to have a gun just to threaten intruders then your better off NOT HAVING A GUN because IT WILL GET YOU KILLED! If I were a criminal hell-bent on taking your wife's valuable jewelry, credit cards, documents, etc and you threatened me I would NO DOUBT kill you FIRST before you even thought of shooting me!

I am not making threats of any kind. Its basic psychology and how the world operates!

reply to post by mtnshredder


It appears none of you "got" this. I thought you gun slingers understood the constitution.

reply to post by JohnnyCanuck

Not the same as open carry. And again...there is a reason for your exponentially larger murder rate. You figure it out...not my problem

I can only think of a handful of times I've seen people open carry in the states, most of those that I've seen are in rural areas and ranching communities. Why is are murder rate so high? We have a lot of bad apples here, there's about a million plus gang members that live primarily in the urban cities and thats not including your basic solo scumbag criminal. Times the amount of gang bangers by a lot of guns and thats a big part of your answer, can't blame it all on the gangs but they have increasinly becoming more of a problem as they're moving out of the big cities and setting up shop in rural areas. The last figure I heard which was recent was that the mexican drug cartel had infiltrated 172 cities in the states, I'm thining more but thats the # I heard, you know the same guys that are cutting peoples heads off and killing for the sake of. If there was ever a time that America has needed guns for protection it's now and it's not getting better with our current state of economics and the racial tension with the illegals that are taking our jobs and are abusing our system for their babies, food, rent, education etc. People are starting to wake up and they're pretty pissed about it because our gov don't give a chit with the exeption of trying to bribe them for their democratic vote.

reply to post by mtnshredder


To a large degree I have to agree with JohhnyCanuck here. Yes america has the highest death toll by guns and knives and to a very large degree it has to do with the ultra-liberal gun laws in the southern and western usa. Mexican cartels, MS-13, italian/russian/chineese mafia, blacks, aryan bortherhood, etc can LEGALLY purchase them there and then sell them in the black market in many urban enviroments.

You might say well they can get them from russia or europe but its much tougher that way because you need a conspiracy ring with a global outreach. I am sure some weapons make it in that way but its beyond the scope of this discussion and probably insignificant. Cut down on LOCAL SUPPLY and the crime rate WILL INEVITABLY GO DOWN!

Originally posted by Lilitu
reply to post by mtnshredder

 

It appears none of you "got" this. I thought you gun slingers understood the constitution.

My Grandfather was a member of congress in the House of Representatives and a Delegate for the Democratic party he was also an attorney, my father went to law school also, but decided to be preacher instead. I heard a lot about politics and law growing up and have a pretty good understanding of the constitution, bill of rights, statutes, federal regulations, legislation and all the other BS that goes with it. I'm also no scholar by any stretch and ended up a musician and a painter some how, but I didn't have wax in my ears growing up. Did you happen to search any of the cases that have been tried in our courts that would support your definition of "bear arms". I did a little but found not one that supports your theory, you may have better luck than me IDK.
I do have two riding bro's that are criminal attorneys. I'll call tonight and see what they say about it and get back to you.

Reply to post by JohnnyCanuck

Name the laws you have that prevent me from going on a rampage.

Sounds like in one breath you're simultaneously agreeing laws won't stop anything while stating your laws stop everything.

Let me know how I can make America safer.

I guarantee I can show you a state or a city here with all the laws you believe are preventing deaths, more strict even, and that state or city will have a murder rate far above the worst average.

It's not the laws. It's the population. And that population wouldn't give a rats ass if there all out prohibition or not. Arms will flow through the borders and ports just like coc aine.


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I would much rather be killed defending myself or someone else with my own weapon. Not getting shot because i am a target of oppurtunity.

Originally posted by Rocky Black
Everytime someone gets shot the anti gun people and anti constitution people come out spewing all this crap about take away their guns and this will come to an end.

Well people I hate to break it to you but you are all wrong.

Here is your proof.

Look at NY gun crime. Oh wait but it is against the law to bring a gun into NY right. Well people maybe you can tell me why their gun crime rate and murder by gun rates are so high.

Now look at Massachuttes which has the most toughest gun laws in the state. Every single day there is a shooting in boston and mattapan or cambridge. Why you might ask? Because if you get arrested for a gun violation instead of a manidtory year in jail. If you get caught with one without a liscense you get a slap on the peeper and that is it. Suspended sentence time served probation.

Now lets look at the state of Texas.
All of its citizens or most of them are armed. It has one of the lowest crime rates and lowest gun related murders.

Why. Thats right. No answer

Taking away guns is not the answer people.

Look at any country where it is illegal to own or posses a pistol or shot gun. Find one and look up gun related murders. Hey why are they high gee I wonder how can that be.

Thats right taking away guns is the agenda of the socialists.To make us into sheeple so we cannot defend ourselves.

Oh you dont like that.

Here drink this coolaid it will make you feel all better.

I completely agree.But unfortunately some people are to simple minded to understand that if you don't like guns move.PS your right about Texas it's like you will get arrested if you don't own a gun.

reply to post by agentblue


my right to carry is in the bill of right simply put people! and it shall not be infringed......but everyone of the scared city yuppies tries to.

Mexico has a total gun ban and has had over 30,000 deaths from shooting in the last 3 years. I guess we are to blame for those automatic weapons and hand grenades that are illegal here, or the drugs that are illegal. (that's bs too but just my philosophical stance).

I got it! Lets make illegal stuff illegal! Why didn't anyone think of this?

This isn't hard to understand, and if you don't then take a basic criminology or psychology course because you don't understand human beings.

reply to post by Rocky Black


No one wants to ban guns. How about a little more control so the rest of us are not victims? It should not be either/or. Either I own and learn to shoot a gun or be a victim.

I also wonder... if the 2nd amendment guarantees gun ownershi (not me, its this darn comuter!) so each of us can join a standing army or "militia" how is a guy who is refused entry into the military STILL getting a gun? He cannot be "militia" if he is unable to join the armed forced can he?

reply to post by thisguyrighthere

I don't get your point. I respect your laws as yours, but I submit that we don't take each other out quite so gleefully as y'all do. Where's the correlation? Is is the profusion of guns and the ease of access? You tell me (if it matters to you).

Simply stated, while I enjoy visiting your fine land...I enjoy getting home.