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To all the people who want to ban guns.

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posted on Jan, 13 2011 @ 08:15 AM
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You don't seem to understand do you. Most of the crime happens in areas over run by gangs. Period. These areas are war zones, literally. Gangs killing each other to control street corners so they can sell their drugs. They are at war with each other, so there is going to be lots of deaths. This is what happens when you build areas, and shove all the poor people in that area, give them the worst schools in the nation. They get crap education, that severely limits their chances of ever climbing out of poverty. So they join gangs, and kill each other, trying to control territory to sell drugs. Has nothing to do with guns, if guns were magically poofed off the planet, you would see them killing eachother with knives, bats, whatever. It doesn't matter WTF laws you make, until that problem is fixed, the crime rate is going to be through the roof. While people living in other areas of the city, that have better schools, better policing, and people that don't feel trapped and hopeless will still be fine. Like they are now. Manhattan is way different than marcy. Go into the poor neighborhoods anywhere, you will see how it goes. Maybe if you had actually lived in a project area, you would understand.




posted on Jan, 13 2011 @ 08:16 AM
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not to be mean freequebec but you gotta write better. very hard to understand lol. It's good you're happy with where you live. I love canada too but thats because Im a pothead and BC Bud is the best! But also take into account The US has the 3rd largest population in the world. with a pop. that large you're bound to have a lot of crime. I lived in the south side of chicago and I wasn't able to where blue or red or I'd get shot (I was in kindergarten but that doesn't stop them). It sucks I know but that's what happens when you live in a crappy city with gangs. you're gonna get some sort of crime everywhere you go



posted on Jan, 13 2011 @ 08:26 AM
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Originally posted by purplemer
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Well when you try to prove an American wrong about our laws and our history you have no right


Plese stop simplyfying yourself. If you have not noticed the world is far bigger than the usa and as a citizen of our lovely earth I have equal right to prove whatever i wish.



Okay? first of all let's be politically correct and call them Native Americans


please safe me from your culturism... Has it occured to you that different culutres use different formats of speech.. What is polically correct in america may not be were i come from... Please do me a favour and google an image of something called a 'world atlas; and you will see that the world is far bigger than the part of north america that you come from.

Now go and look at the stats listed earlier in this thread and explain why you gun crime and murder is so high and if you can give an axiom on why guns are not playing a role in this.. If you cannot do this adleast try the google images of world atlas..
I will even help you click on following link...

www.mapsofindia.com...

kx


Information holds not to the bounderies of countries...

kx


Do not talk to me like I am a child. I know there's a whole wide world out there. All I was saying was don't try and say Im wrong about my American history when you yourself is not an american.And honestly idgaf about the rest of the world because I dont leave the US., this is my home and I know a lot about my home. I dont need your stupid links or your stats. I live in it and I know what it's like. did you know 98% of all statistics are made up? I over simplified myself to suit your overly simple brain.

Im tired of all these stereotypes that are stamped on the head of each american. And Native American is all over the world. Indian is somebody from INDIA! der! in case you hadn't noticed india isn't america buddy.



posted on Jan, 13 2011 @ 08:34 AM
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Originally posted by TKDRL
reply to post by purplemer
 


You don't seem to understand do you. Most of the crime happens in areas over run by gangs. Period. These areas are war zones, literally. Gangs killing each other to control street corners so they can sell their drugs. They are at war with each other, so there is going to be lots of deaths. This is what happens when you build areas, and shove all the poor people in that area, give them the worst schools in the nation. They get crap education, that severely limits their chances of ever climbing out of poverty. So they join gangs, and kill each other, trying to control territory to sell drugs. Has nothing to do with guns, if guns were magically poofed off the planet, you would see them killing eachother with knives, bats, whatever. It doesn't matter WTF laws you make, until that problem is fixed, the crime rate is going to be through the roof. While people living in other areas of the city, that have better schools, better policing, and people that don't feel trapped and hopeless will still be fine. Like they are now. Manhattan is way different than marcy. Go into the poor neighborhoods anywhere, you will see how it goes. Maybe if you had actually lived in a project area, you would understand.


No you dont seem to understand.. guns make it easier for people to kill each other... it is not just poor areas.. a lot of gun crime is middle white america...
Ofc it is a war zone.. well spotted.. everyone is armed to the teeth... it is a fail argument on your part... guns are good they keep the peace... omfg it is a war zone here...
spot on...

it has everything to do with guns.... let us look at children for example...



American kids are 16 times more likely to be murdered with a gun, 11 times more likely to commit suicide with a gun, and nine times more likely to die from a firearm accident than children in 25 other industrialized countries combined. (Centers for Disease Control)





America is losing too many children to gun violence. Between 1979 and 2001, gunfire killed 90,000 children and teens in America. (Children's Defense Fund and National Center for Health Statistics


Are you really going to tell me that the easy availabilty of guns plays no role in this.. no offense but get a clue..




Every day, more than 80 Americans die from gun violence. (Coalition to Stop Gun Violence)


nothing to see here.. nothing to do with guns...




America is losing too many children to gun violence. Between 1979 and 2001, gunfire killed 90,000 children and teens in America. (Children's Defense Fund and National Center for Health Statistics)


nothing to see here.. nothing to do with guns...




In a single year, 3,012 children and teens were killed by gunfire in the United States, according to the latest national data released in 2002. That is one child every three hours; eight children every day; and more than 50 children every week. And every year, at least 4 to 5 times as many kids and teens suffer from non-fatal firearm injuries. (Children's Defense Fund and National Center for Health Statistics)



nothing to see here.. nothing to do with guns.......

wake up and smell the coffee...

kx



posted on Jan, 13 2011 @ 08:48 AM
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When you cannot make your own decision of.

What you should eat.
What you should smoke.
What you should pay. Of course they will just keep taking as we take it up the keester.
Socialism to me is the goverment control over everything.

Kind of the way things are changing here in the US.

Forced healthcare. Oh you dont have insurance. Here is a notice bill/fine from the IRS. Hows that for constitutional.

How about no fat this and no fat that.

Listen you assholes created this stuff and approved this stuff for us to eat and shoved it down our throats tell us is was good for us.

Like Oh ya fats are bad for us so in all our marketing we are going to say low fat and triple the amount of carbs so now when you are thinking of eating right your fatting out because now your tripling your carb intake.

WTF.

I'm being fed genetically modified # without my consent.

My kids are forced vaccines against my consent.

Hell even my dog is forced to be vaccinated.

I dont need the goverment tell me what to do.

The flipping governemnt should just do it F'ng job. To defend this nationa against all enemies. Stop paying off countries like pakistan with millions of my fn'g money.

I don't agree with this .

We are the people which tell out govenemnt how we want thing. Not our government tell us what they want us to do.

How fnkg dare they tell us what to do.

They are the biggest hippocrites out there.

Corrupt politicians hiding all the money in over sea shelters set up by the banking industry. I love it when they say stuff like This politician is not corrupt.

They are all corrupt. They are all on the tale .Every single one of them. They all are in the loop.

Once any politician steps in who is fopr the people and speaks for the people they shun them and go on an attack campaign to discredit them as a nut job and spend millions of dollars to smear them and try to seduce them and bribe them or set them up so they can be brought into their agenda.

Just stating the facts.
RB



posted on Jan, 13 2011 @ 08:50 AM
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Only when you come tip toeing through my door at 4 in the am looking to score 20 bucks so you can go buy some crack cracker.

Then again I would not shoot you as Mr Black would have ripped your face off by then..

By the way how to you past a picture in your reply.

I would like to show the real Mr. Black.



posted on Jan, 13 2011 @ 08:55 AM
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Guns do not kill people, people kill people.

What utter childhood nonsense. What exactly is this supposed to prove?
People kill people a lot easier with a gun than without one. How about that?
Now what?

You guys clutch your second amendment the way an abused woman hangs on to the guy that abuses her. It makes absolutely no sense. It is a national illness.

Rock on caveman, Kill or be killed. How come you guys never latched on to civility?



posted on Jan, 13 2011 @ 08:57 AM
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Love you man.


That is awesome.

Love it.

It screams break in here also....

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posted on Jan, 13 2011 @ 08:57 AM
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How come you guys never latched on to civility?


"Civility" as folks seem to be defining it is a weakness. If the world were "civil" it would only take one tyrant to destroy it.

If Ghadi were in charge all the Jews would have jumped off of cliffs, Hitler would run the world and Ghandi would have little girls in his bed every night.

Civility.


 
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posted on Jan, 13 2011 @ 08:57 AM
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Those stats on 'children' are true, but misleading. It includes everyone ages 0-19, which is significant because it verifies exactly what we've been saying. Much of this problem is gang-related. The 18 and 19 year olds should even be grouped with children in those stats to begin with, anyway. Legally, they are not children, they're adults.

if you break down the statistics, and the CDC provides a good tool for that, you'll find that the overwhelming majority of those incidents occur among those between the ages of 15 and 19. Take out the 18 and 19 year olds, who are adults, not children, and about half of the total usually disappears.



posted on Jan, 13 2011 @ 09:03 AM
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Originally posted by Punisher75
I think the problem is a lack of understanding of why we have guns in the U.S. and the second amendment. The entire point of the second amendment is not for Hunting rights or sportsmen. It is there for the sole purpose of disposing of a tyrannical government if the need should arise. The Second Amendment is the "Big Red Reset Button" that the founders placed in the Constitution to make sure a free country remains free. No more no less.


That is an interesting fairy tale, but fairy tale is all it is. Try to actually look at those words and analyse them with your brain and not your heart. Your gun against the US military might. Who's going to win? Even you + all your neighbor's guns vs the military. Same outcome.

Can't you see how absurd the notion of your gun protecting you from your government is?



posted on Jan, 13 2011 @ 09:04 AM
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Sorry to here that..

The biggest problem is the courts.

Listen if you or I was to get in trouble. Us ordinary mony earning citizens.

If we were to get caught with a loaded gun and arrested..

You would be going to jail and fined thousands of dollars .

Why because you have money....Cha ching..

Now the local gang banger he has nada. Nothing.

They arrest him on his first offense. As long as he didn't kill someone and maybe they had they get a slap on the peeper and maybe get 6 mounths or something.

You our I my friend wiould get the mandatory..


Because when the hammer somone like us it makes a big statement..

Why they bust some low life scum noboday cares. Not even the scumbaggio.

God bless and be safe.

if you cannot pack heat I would roccomend you try some CS type mase. Or even a pepper spray.

Stay alert stay alive..

Safety in numbers also.

Don't walk down the street in a bad neighborhood/ da hood alone.

RB out



posted on Jan, 13 2011 @ 09:15 AM
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Originally posted by thisguyrighthere
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How come you guys never latched on to civility?


"Civility" as folks seem to be defining it is a weakness. If the world were "civil" it would only take one tyrant to destroy it.

If Ghadi were in charge all the Jews would have jumped off of cliffs, Hitler would run the world and Ghandi would have little girls in his bed every night.

Civility.
 
Posted Via ATS Mobile: m.abovetopsecret.com
 



More fantasy my friend. Canada was there to fight Hitler long before you guys discovered it was the right thing to do. Civility does not equate weakness or stupidity. That you cannot see that is evidence of the brainwashing you all have so effectively undergone.



posted on Jan, 13 2011 @ 09:17 AM
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Is Canada "civil"? They have guns in the hands of private citizens. Back then moreso than now.



posted on Jan, 13 2011 @ 09:24 AM
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Originally posted by wayno

Originally posted by Punisher75
I think the problem is a lack of understanding of why we have guns in the U.S. and the second amendment. The entire point of the second amendment is not for Hunting rights or sportsmen. It is there for the sole purpose of disposing of a tyrannical government if the need should arise. The Second Amendment is the "Big Red Reset Button" that the founders placed in the Constitution to make sure a free country remains free. No more no less.


That is an interesting fairy tale, but fairy tale is all it is. Try to actually look at those words and analyse them with your brain and not your heart. Your gun against the US military might. Who's going to win? Even you + all your neighbor's guns vs the military. Same outcome.

Can't you see how absurd the notion of your gun protecting you from your government is?


Think about when the Constitution was written. It's no fairy tale bud. It's fact. And if there was an uprising the military would not use full force on their own people. say what you want but it's true. Get familiar with US history before you claim something as fiction



posted on Jan, 13 2011 @ 09:24 AM
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Actually..The problem is the police are under staffed and under funded.

Every town has been hit with cut backs. And where is it hit.

polcioe and fire depts.

We dont need these right.

It is better to spend the money on socail programs like making sure illegall immigrants get drives liscense and free cars and free food and free child care and all this other free #.

While I'm left with the bill and no police to protect my community.

Thanks god that my community is tight.

And if alot of crimal activity started to appear. Which some did. The town came together and was looking out for one another.

Alot of oxy criminals breaking into houses during the day. when people were at work.

People started becoming more observant and calling the police when they saw suspicios activity.

This still doenst stop the guy coming through your door at night.

The police are here to protect and serve me.

I pay them with my high taxes.

I dont want to see them on the side of the raod checking traffic.

I want them on the street in the community talking in the schools.
I want them, to protect and sever the people. That is there job.
They have to perform theis job because the social and economic impacts make crimal activity thrive.

Thanks Obama.
Thanks for the change.

Don't you worry change is coming.

Hopefully we can get someone like Romney in office. Someone who can straighten out the finacial crisis.

Not someone who is dividing this nation.

RB out.



posted on Jan, 13 2011 @ 09:27 AM
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True that.

They are the ones who spew hate while trying to boost their political footing.

Part of the problem is they keep manipulating the elections to keep the policies of the elite going.

So sad and pathetic.



posted on Jan, 13 2011 @ 09:47 AM
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True that my brother.

Not only that.

I give you and example of corrupt data shaping the policy.

How about these scientist who are supposed to look out for the help of the planet.

Her they are lying to us telling us this is global warming the weather is getting worse becasue of us.
Now here they are fudging the numbers to make it fit their agenda.

Why the hell is Al gore not in jail.

he is the biggest fraud offender I can think of.

this guy goes around spewing global warming fear for profit.

Have you any idea how much money this guy has made on this global warming scam.

I agree the earth may be warming but it has moore to due with the life cyxle of the planet and the amount of radiation with hits our plante.

I agree we create green house gasses.

But what about the green house gasses which are trapped in lakes in the ocean which come up and leak out one day of the next.

Now they are blaming it on cows and stuff.

Whay because we came make the farmers due oll this stuff which will cost him more money and befit and opay out to the people who pay into the election funds..


Oh wait that farm is paying into our fund..

Oh I gues there needs to be a egg recall so we can shut down his donations to this party ofr that party.

Recalls are nothing but a sham.

When they were reaclling all the eggsd not to recently all me friends were like holy crap you eat eggs all the time dont you..

I was like yes I do I acually had 2 over easy with a everything bagle and some sausage. They are like aren't you afraid of getting ecoli or samonella. I said no.

Lets see.


5,000,0000,0000.

Not sure of the numbers but lets say it is huge a trillion eggs are produced daily.

ANd you mean to tell me 20 or even 2000 people came down with ecoli.

The the vaccine makes use worse statistics than that.

If they injected 1000 people with a vaccine and only 3 got sick and died and only half had minor reations. That would probable get FDA fast track status.


Who benifits during the recall.
Sure as hell not the farmer.

But I bet he doesnt have the extra hundred grand to give to any specifica party.



posted on Jan, 13 2011 @ 09:51 AM
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I was gonna point that out, thanks. Gangs recruit kids, 5 year olds, to carry drugs for them. Hell then there are kids that are born into the gang life. There is no innocence and childhood in the slums. Kids as young as 10 years old in gangs, with guns, shooting each other.
edit on Thu, 13 Jan 2011 09:52:30 -0600 by TKDRL because: (no reason given)



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