To all the people who want to ban guns.

Originally posted by sonofliberty1776
Look, we can argue with these liberals until we are blue in the face.

Hows it a liberal view to want to ban guns?

The problem is not guns, it is the criminal aquirement of them, and the criminal usage of them that is the problem. Of course when a nut legally buys a gun, there may be a problem, but most gun crimes are from guns illegally aquired and used in crimes. We need harsh laws against those that illegally aquire and use guns in criminal acts.

reply to post by Hoskizaki

apparently you missed the part where the police were involved (via 911) since Before she jumped the fence.
And, the PD dispatch/main location is less than 1 mile from the location so why should i have to WAIT on them? She wasn't waiting, why should i?

Your opinion is yours. I acted according to the situation and the law.
You don't agree, fine ... the law does.

you can demean my desire to defuse the situation all you want but had i physically challenged her, my freedom is on the line and there is no drunk alive worth that risk.

i could have killed her (just aim center mass) but chose otherwise
(nope, no consideration for life there)
if you've ever tried to 'subdue' a drunk on a raging rampage ... how many days did you spend in a hospital?
none? yeah, didn't think you had any experience to draw from ... just rhetoric.

thats the truth couldnt put it any other way...all the zombies wanna ban guns cause they have no brains and thats the type of ppl the socialist want..ppl who r dumb and dont question anything..ppl with no brain!!!






MasterBlasterz live from zombieland

reply to post by Annee


Wow. I would not have expected to see you on this side of the discussion.

reply to post by Rocky Black


When you say socialists do you mean what was passed off as socialism by the dictatorship known as the USSR or China or do you mean what Engels and Marx actually had as the idea for socialism?

Originally posted by ColonelGurn
I signed up to this forum to reply to this thread and post.

I live in the South of England. I am 24 and have never seen a gun, I've never heard of anyone owning a gun and I have never heard of anyone being shot within any of the local areas I have lived in. This is primarily down to the fact that we can't have guns.

Do the pro-gun Americans really not realise that guns sole and only purpose is to kill?

The only reason you have so many guns held by criminals (which I appreciate is why non-criminal gun owners need them) is because of your second ammendment (I believe it's the second ammendment - I may be wrong).

The pro-gun attitude of "I need my gun in case they try and take my gun away" makes me laugh.

I agree that it's a bit late to just ban or outlaw guns. However a long term plan should be put in place to erradicate the need for them.

Anyway, thanks for reading my first post.

Sorry mate, but your all wrong on this. First, you've never seen a gun up close, never known anyone who owns a gun, nor ever run into any crime using a gun? It's a tad arrogant if you've never had any experience with such things, to think you know the ultimate answer? My advice, fwiw, find someone who owns guns, or perhaps a target or trap shooting club. Learn about guns, learn how they work, learn gun safety. Odds are, you'll change your mind about them, or at least have a better grasp of them before making ill-informed statements. Chances are, you might even enjoy shooting them? You never know.

Originally posted by sonofliberty1776
Look, we can argue with these liberals until we are blue in the face. They just refuse to accept the truth. Just like the refuse to accept the truth about taxation. They have their own paradigm and they are boxed into it. This is why some call liberalism a mental disorder. I do not know if that is true, but I have seen that they refuse to accept reality. I instead they want to immediately jump to some perfect world that cannot exist now.

You think it is only liberals that are pushing for gun control? Hmm...

How about Harry Ried?
www.ontheissues.org...

That is just off the top of my head. There are PLENTY more democrats who are pro gun rights. As a matter of fact while the few who have come out lately in favor of stricter gun laws, did seem to be democrats.... I have also seem more democrats stand up against these few fools, than I have seem Republicans ( at least this time around)

Point I am making here. Politics is not as black and white like some people wish for you to believe.

Another dirty liberal that supports pro gun rights? Me.

Originally posted by Lemon.Fresh
reply to post by Annee

 

Wow. I would not have expected to see you on this side of the discussion.

LOL - why not. I'm very logical.

And I know exactly what the 2nd amendment is all about.

I must point out something.

Liberal does not equal Pacifist.

There are many gun supporting liberals.

Originally posted by Hoskizaki
If you'd rationalised how to use it you probably would have realised that your gun need never have left the drawer.

It wasn't in a drawer, and my obtaining it was announced to dispatch before i ever acquired it. The PD knew i was armed and intended on confronting the intruder.
besides, why would i leave a loaded gun in drawer?

The fact that you threatened to shoot her and she ignored you shows that she was clearly out of it, she didn't pose a threat to you.

actually, you are mistaken. i was not aware or alerted to her inebriation until the EMS asked her 'partner' if she had been drinking. The answer provided was: quite a bit.

some things you don't assume. danger comes in a variety of ways and it is not my job to assume anything. a clear and viable threat was presented and i reacted accordingly.

You could've just grabbed her

not in the US you can't. and my freedom is more valuable than her 'kid glove' treatment. (hint: she and I (also a she) are both over age 40 - she should have known better)

and she wouldn't have been able to do anything about it.

so you assume but i'm betting the other 3 hombres would have gladly stepped in had i not been armed. the 'partner' had already tried until she realized i was still armed and would use it.

If you were too scared to do that you could easily have kept enough distance between you until the police turned up.

excuse you but i was still on the phone with 911 when the 1st officer did finally arrive.

But no, by that time she might have drunkenly stepped on your flower bed or spilled beer on your lawnmower.

don't have a flower bed for her to trample. lawnmower was well out of her range. got any more silly suggestions?

SHOOT HER! and for christ's sake why was your 'mate' aiming at her head? Didn't you say this woman was your Neighbour?

because after my mate saw me retrieve my weapon, he dressed and did same ... (had just returned from work and was changing his clothes when it began) he was standing in the house doorway as she entered the lanai and after again warning her repeatedly, he drew on her. from his perspective, placement and admission, he was aimed between her eyes, yet she was still advancing. and, it has been noted by him several times, had i not fired, she would be dead.
neighbor as in proximity, not necessarily the friendly kind.

Seems to me that once the police had arrived they wouldn't have much trouble identifying and tracking down the perpetrator.

well if you believe this, then please tell me why the city PD have yet to identify my attacker who was supposedly on video, at a laundromat? i'm told the video wasn't aimed in our direction, yet, we were right in front of a main door. I have since located this person and reported the info, yet, nothing is done about it. so, how well do you know our laws? please tell me which one permits the detectives that i pay for to dismiss such an attack?

You ( or someone you know) shot an unarmed drunk woman and you think it's OK.

with this nonsense, i call troll. why would i tell someone elses story as my own?

Originally posted by ColonelGurn
The constitution was written near on 250 years ago (I don't mean to patronise you). Do you not think that it's a bit outdated?

outdated ??? not a chance. even if it is disputed, there are ways to amend it ... but outdated? maybe your opinion, but certainly not the US Constitution.

Originally posted by Honor93
reply to post by Hoskizaki

 

apparently you missed the part where the police were involved (via 911) since Before she jumped the fence.
And, the PD dispatch/main location is less than 1 mile from the location so why should i have to WAIT on them? She wasn't waiting, why should i?

Your opinion is yours. I acted according to the situation and the law.
You don't agree, fine ... the law does.

you can demean my desire to defuse the situation all you want but had i physically challenged her, my freedom is on the line and there is no drunk alive worth that risk.

i could have killed her (just aim center mass) but chose otherwise
(nope, no consideration for life there)
if you've ever tried to 'subdue' a drunk on a raging rampage ... how many days did you spend in a hospital?
none? yeah, didn't think you had any experience to draw from ... just rhetoric.

I'm not demeaning your desire to "defuse" the situation, I'm demeaning the way you did it. Fair enough if the law permits you to do that, but it doesn't mean you have to do it. My opinion is that it should be avoided at all costs, and personally I'd be willing to accept a small risk rather than have to shoot someone.
I gather from another post that she was quite a large woman? I bet she was a real fast mover. I also gathered that she was facing away from you when you shot her? so you essentially shot her in the back ( of the leg)?
But yeah, you're a real hero for not killing her dude...
I'm afraid you're bang wrong about me not having any experience. I've been threatened by a drunk man who was wielding a liquor bottle and I guarantee you there was no point at which I would've pulled a gun on him. He never got anywhere near me and when he got bored and continued on his way I followed him and had him arrested. I used to work in a bar too and it wasn't uncommon to receive threats from customers. Usually a bit of common sense and patience is all you need to deal with a drunk. Half the time they take themselves out and save you the hassle.
The only drunk that's ever put me in hospital is myself.

S&F my friend.

I like guns unregistered

People kill people. And a phrase I heard someone say...cant remember who....

"If I can blame my gun for killing someone, then I can blame my pencil for misspelling my words"

oh and

"Guns dont kill people...husbans who come home from work early kill people"

I love this country for the freedoms we have...we have and hope to keep having.

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"Guns dont kill people...husbans who come home from work early kill people"
Thnx for that....I needed a good laugh tonight, easy star for that one.
L2.......

Originally posted by mtnshredder
reply to post by Honor93

 

If she was that drunk couldn't you have just knocked arse over? I wasn't there so I won't judge you, but lethal force seems a little extreme when she was outside, could you not have shut the door and waited for the police. Now if she charged at you with a weapon and you really felt you were in danger I can see it but two guys with a gun on her and she's trashed armed with a rake, I'm thinking between the two of you, you could have taken her down without shooting her..

ok, first, i had no knowledge of her drunk status at the onset.
EMS clarified that during treatment.
secondly, in the US, i cannot put my hands on her AND avoid being arrested.
and, I prefer freedom, thanks.

she was INSIDE when shot, not outside ... she came from the outside, was given ample opportunity to retreat and was not fired upon until she was inside.

could i have shut the door and waited for police?

... possibly, but that wasn't how the event transpired. considering the length of time it took the PD to respond, we could be dead.

where did you get 2 guys with guns on her? i am a girl, she is a girl, her partner is a girl and my mate is male. 2 girls / 1 male on scene ... the partner (girl), another girl (partner's 20 something daughter) and her boyfriend lying in wait on their side of the fence.

truthfully, with or without physical help, i could take her down ... however, the law doesn't allow for such behavior as i would be perceived the aggressor, instead of the actuality of the situation, in which the only aggressor was she.

Thanks for your vote of confidence and btw, once a persons hands are registered as lethal weapons, you tend to think twice before striking or putting your hands on anyone. there are other ways to deal with aggressors ... as i have clearly demonstrated.
just because a gun was involved doesn't mean death is an absolute.

Originally posted by tom502
We need harsh laws against those that illegally aquire and use guns in criminal acts.

now this is absolutely true but the trouble is, the criminals travel the revolving door and so do their guns. Some of the best and cheapest gun purchases are made via connections at the Department (2 counties wide here)

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Glad I can put a smile on someones face

Originally posted by capgirl
S&F my friend.

"If I can blame my gun for killing someone, then I can blame my pencil for misspelling my words"

In the language of your rubbish analogy - What if some people are more prone to misspelling than others? What if someone who normally spells really well, in a moment of emotional imbalance and irrationality writes "YOUR', when what they actually mean to write is "YOU'RE". We all know how tragic that is.

If people were consistent you'd be perfectly right but the fact is they get upset and do silly things that they end up regretting.

In Oz as many of you know our ability to purchase and own any Firearm was taken away from us in one swoop by the Howard Government... that's Little Johnnie who was best Friends with Shrub.

What we have seen since is a massive rise in Knife related violence and death. This tells us something. Those with the mentality to want to injure or kill people are going to do it anyway with whatever they have on hand.

Example.. New Zealand where the populace was wanting all firearms banned because of the Aromoana shooting where 8+ people died on the day. I told people that it is not guns that kill, anyone could kill with a stick if they wanted to. Within a week an old man murdered his 8 member family with a piece of timber!

Law abiding citizens are not dangerous firearms owners. It is the criminal sector that benefit the most from Arms control.

I'm all for making it far more difficult to purchase a firearm, so that checks and balances are in place to help prevent nutters from doing stupid things with firearms. But I still firmly think we should have the right to arm ourselves at home and not be seen as an Outlaw.

The only way to get a firearms licence of any type in Oz today is to be a Farmer with a need for it, or be a member of a Shooter's Club with Range time. Safety and security as also addressed in that all firearms must be kept separate from ammunition and firing pins/bolts, etc. This is so a person cannot simply grab a 'gun' off their rack and start shooting.

All of which I think are sensible regulations, despite not liking the fact that we were forcibly disarmed without our consent.