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Could erad3 - Jared Lee Loughner have been helped? Three stories...

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posted on Jan, 11 2011 @ 07:07 AM
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Although I am reticent to surf on the latest wave, a recent episode in my family, and an old moment in my life have come to mind, after having read erad3's - Jared Lee Loughner threads...

His inability to make sense at all, his grasping for semantics, his total rejection of arguments contrary and logically refuting his twisted ideas, were all signs of a disturbed individual, to say the least...

Could he have been helped? Could someone have foreseen the storm from the cloudy sky?

STORY 1:
January 2011, somewhere in the Tropics...


A short while after announcing a short walk around the beach, a family member on vacation with his family, was hit by a stroke, and passed out by the side of the road...
After hours of having "disappeared", and hours of calls to his cell phone by his worried family, a walker by finally answered the cell phone, which had been ringing in the pocket of what most people that went by assumed to be a drunk sleeping it off on the side of the road...

Sunstroke and dehydration had finished ravaging him, and by the time he was finally helped, he was sent urgently to the ICU unit, where he is still being cared for...

All morning and that afternoon, he was sighted and ignored by the people who were on vacation as he was... another "drunk" for whom nothing could be done, right?

STORY 2:
Long into my past...


I was late for an appointment, my car was in the shop so I took a bus that day...

While sitting in the back of that bus, a drunk (real one) came in... Ragged, old and worn, he stumbled through the first rows, crying... crying desperately and saying:

"Please, someone help me!... Can someone help me?"

He looked around, and slowly made his way to the back of the bus, where he sat and continued to sob, silently... Every once in a moment he would repeat his pleas, getting the same response: more silence and look-aways...

Could someone help him?? That was my question as I got off on the next stop, as many others did, all of us busy with our life, already filled with our own problems...

Did anyone help him? I still don't know...

STORY 3
July 2010


Anyone of erad3's threads, which cry out to someone seriously having a hard time making any sense, and showing enough signs of a possible series of mental disease.

Could he have been helped??

Only ATS member mordant1 hit it on the nail (his now famous comment on erad3's first thread)... Could more specific efforts have followed?

That's the question I am making to myself and ATS...


I know we are all hind-sight geniuses, but as I pictured before, even in situations where there is obvious distress, but the need for help seems "not urgent", not necessary, or as in the above cases "not of my competence", then what does that say about us all, as human beings?

Can we step out ever so slightly out of our comfort zones and INQUIRE, make some hard questions when help MIGHT be needed?

Hard, I know, but maybe old questions need new answers, or at least new approaches, especially in this day and age where so many can display their not so well-being...


edit on 11-1-2011 by citizenc because: For bolds




posted on Jan, 11 2011 @ 07:22 AM
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One bump, to give my questions the possibility of an answer, especially from members in a forum such as ATS. where so many may find a public way to express their opinions and views, even as extreme or unbelievable as they may be...



posted on Jan, 11 2011 @ 07:50 AM
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I'm quite surprised nobody dared to ask what was wrong with the drunk man in the bus. How could people be so cold to ignore a cry for help ?

As for Mr Loughner, if he actually had some psychological problems, it would have taken a specialist to reach him. I doubt someone here on ATS could have done something about it...



posted on Jan, 11 2011 @ 08:00 AM
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My point exactly.. someone with some expertise already had identified a possible problem with Jared's head...

As for the guy in the bus, think about it... what would you have done?

Not many of us, as caring as we think we are, would have put our "day" and affairs aside, to go out of our way to help someone we don't know, not knowing how...

Hard look inside should ensue...



posted on Jan, 11 2011 @ 08:09 AM
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I don't believe that Jared could have been helped, because he sincerely believed he was right, thus not believing he needed help. So what was one to do? Drag him, kicking and fighting to a psych hospital? As I understand it, one has to prove that a person is an immediate danger to himself or others before the hospital will keep the disturbed person. While his videos and posts showed someone who was 'off', they weren't proof that he was going to hurt someone. His college tried-- they refused to allow him back without a mental evaluation. What else can be done?

My point is only that someone cannot generally be forced to get help, and those who are mentally unstable are those who feel they don't need it.



posted on Jan, 11 2011 @ 08:20 AM
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I completely agree that no one can be helped without their consent... or of some institution or law enforcement as in the cases you mentioned...

And yet, more on the point I'm making, only one person throughout his threads, actually got it and exhorted him to seek the help we now know he needed, to avert harm to himself and others...

Many people went by, but only one helped... as with that family member of mine...

Thinking about it, the parable of the Good Samaritan comes to mind...



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