reply to post by bogomil
I used to be Christian.
I used to be Muslim.
If one was to study core elements of the 3 faiths of Judaism, Christianity, and Islam, it becomes quite clear these religions are extremely related.
As far as me creating a Christian/Muslim hybrid understanding, this is quite incorrect. Both these religions are already hybrids of even earlier
religions. So the hybridization is not of my doing, I never created a religion drawing from Sumerian and Babylonian sources like Monotheism has.
I chose to discuss elements of Islam in this thread because Christianity is not the only group that believes in Satan and Hell.
I choose to understand Satan as a jinn instead of an angel because it makes more sense.
I choose to understand the Islamic explanation of Satan, jinn, and devils because it makes more sense.
I choose to understand the explanation of Hell according to Islam because it makes more sense.
"So there were djinns in the christian heaven" -bogomil
I never been to Heaven to know this, but that's what God says in the Qur'an.
And if this is a Christian Heaven and not only the Heaven of the Almighty Creator, then I guess Moses, Adam, Noah, Abraham, any Hebrew Israelite, etc.
won't be there either because they were not Christians.
"Or was there no rebellion in heaven after all?" -bogomil
You tell me. When did his rebellion and/or 'war in heaven' occur?
Was it before Adam was created? Was it as a result of the events in Eden? Or was it after Satan lost his friendly bet to God over the man Job? Add Job
into the Satan mix and Christianity's understanding of Satan just doesn't make logical or chronological sense.
"the bible forgets to mention the distinction between them and angels" -bogomil
The Bible forgets to mention all sorts of things! When God created man in Genesis where is the mention of dinosaurs? In the book of John when Jesus is
called the "only begotten son" of God, the New Testament forgets to mention David is the begotten son
of god (Psalm 2:7), or that Israel (aka
Jacob) is the first born son
of God (Exodus 4:22), etc., etc., etc.!
"For some people such things are important to know, e.g. as when you in a post-divorce depression consider becoming a christian from sheer
existential desperation. You would want your new life to be more functional than your old." -bogomil
If you need to know things AND have it make sense, any religion is the wrong way to go anyway! Upon questioning, reasoning, and rationale.. an
individual is quite often shut up with the answers "faith" or "you just have to believe."
If any person is seeking religion out of depression or desperation, I would suggest looking at religion in philosophical terms... to study
philosophy... to dig deep within one's own self and mustering up the bravado, strength, and courage that flows through our veins from our ancestors of
eons past. I lack empathy and sympathy for my fellow humans regarding certain issues, but I am not cold-hearted. Sorrow, depression, fear,
uncertainty, anger, and hate are counter-productive to spiritual strength... not emotions I want to baby or cater to. Anything done as a result of
these emotions should be questioned anyway. Haven't our elders and ancestors always told us to not make decisions unless we are level-headed? Jumping
into a religion that doesn't make sense simply because one is depressed is not the way. Look within.
And where are your rebuttals are arguments leading anyway? The OP is regarding Satan and the rulers of Hell. As I have stated, this is a false belief
introduced by John Milton in "Paradise Lost," not the Bible. God is the Creator of Hell, God is the ruler of Hell, and He has issued angels therein to
torture the wicked amongst mankind, Satan, and jinn (devils).
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