Hey China, why are you so worked up about an Independant Taiwan

Originally posted by pfunkarocka
You also imply that by scaring countries like Taiwan that should tremble by the words and just become part of China. Sounds like a communist of totalitarian way of thinking to me.

You are a typical brainwashed US people. When was the Nation called Taiwan formed, and where was the first capitol, who was the first leader? I am really shocked by your ignorance.

Originally posted by Soul Reaper
China was once the super power of the world......this was before
almost any other nation was on the planet. Respect people...respect.

Past deeds do little to gnerate respect for a country that has brutaly supressed people of Tibet, Massacred 30,000,000 people during thier social experiements, threatend a small island with total destruction, Murder anyone who dares protest the oppressive government, Jails Docotors who let the world know about SARS etc etc etc.....

Ancient civilization yes, with many accomplisments, but the ChiCom cabal that rules today has done very little to earn my or any others respect.

Respect is earned not handed out out blindly

Originally posted by FredT
Past deeds do little to gnerate respect for a country that has brutaly supressed people of Tibet, Massacred 30,000,000 people during thier social experiements, threatend a small island with total destruction, Murder anyone who dares protest the oppressive government, Jails Docotors who let the world know about SARS etc etc etc.....

I do not know the number of people died in cultural revolution. It was a tragedy that should not have occurred. During 3 years of hardship in early 1960s, many people died for lack of food, not massacre. Many people also died during the cultural revolution in fighting of different ideological factions. Those are tragedies, All Chinese people will remember, and avoid in the future.

SARS was the biological attack of a nation to disrupt Chinese economy and kill as many Chinese as possible, in its preparation of Iraq War. My fellow Chinese will remember those atrocities.

Originally posted by zcheng
SARS was the biological attack of a nation to disrupt Chinese economy and kill as many Chinese as possible, in its preparation of Iraq War. My fellow Chinese will remember those atrocities.

Please, explain why your government tried to cover it up. If all citizens in your country are such zealots as you claim, how could a bio-warfare attack even occur? No doubt any spies would be quickly found.

Please show me the proof that SARS was an attack. If you had proof how come your government did not let loose the fury of 1.3 billion chinese as you often like to claim? More likely the provence that the outbreak occured in (also the bird flu also started there) contains a slave labor bio warfare plant.

Originally posted by FredT
Please, explain why your government tried to cover it up. If all citizens in your country are such zealots as you claim, how could a bio-warfare attack even occur? No doubt any spies would be quickly found.

Please show me the proof that SARS was an attack. If you had proof how come your government did not let loose the fury of 1.3 billion chinese as you often like to claim? More likely the provence that the outbreak occured in (also the bird flu also started there) contains a slave labor bio warfare plant.

That is insidious nature of biological warfare. After this attack, Chinese government are now building labs, and measures to prevent such attacks.

No proof is possible now, that is why US dare to attack. It is extremely easy to initiate. A few person is enough to initiate such attacks.

Originally posted by zcheng
That is insidious nature of biological warfare. After this attack, Chinese government are now building labs, and measures to prevent such attacks.
No proof is possible now, that is why US dare to attack. It is extremely easy to initiate. A few person is enough to initiate such attacks.

Please, China is the innocent victem and while having no proof, has initated a program to build labs??? Seems your propaganda manual has left out the small fact that China has had bioweapons for years.

TeChina possesses an advanced biotechnology infrastructure as well as the requisite munitions production capabilities necessary to develop, produce and weaponize biological agents. Although China has consistently claimed that it has never researched or produced biological weapons, it is nonetheless believed likely that it retains a biological warfare capability begun before acceding to the BWC. China is commonly considered to have an active biological warfare program, including dedicated research and development activities funded and supported by the Government for this purpose. There is essentially no open source data on the subject of Chinese BW activities, and many legitimate research programs use similar, if not identical equipment and facilities.

globalsecurity.org...

Originally posted by FredT

Originally posted by zcheng
That is insidious nature of biological warfare. After this attack, Chinese government are now building labs, and measures to prevent such attacks.
No proof is possible now, that is why US dare to attack. It is extremely easy to initiate. A few person is enough to initiate such attacks.

Please, China is the innocent victem and while having no proof, has initated a program to build labs??? Seems your propaganda manual has left out the small fact that China has had bioweapons for years.

TeChina possesses an advanced biotechnology infrastructure as well as the requisite munitions production capabilities necessary to develop, produce and weaponize biological agents. Although China has consistently claimed that it has never researched or produced biological weapons, it is nonetheless believed likely that it retains a biological warfare capability begun before acceding to the BWC. China is commonly considered to have an active biological warfare program, including dedicated research and development activities funded and supported by the Government for this purpose. There is essentially no open source data on the subject of Chinese BW activities, and many legitimate research programs use similar, if not identical equipment and facilities.

globalsecurity.org...

China build the first Level 3 Lab after the attack.

Show me the proof that China did not have biowarfare prior to the SARS outbreak?

Geneva - US and European intelligence agencies are reporting mounting evidence that Russia and China have massively violated the 1972 Biological and Toxic Weapons Convention, and subsequent international and bilateral agreements to control biowarfare weapons.
The convention, signed by 169 nations, prohibits development, production, acquisition, stockpiling, transfer, or use of chemical and biological weapons. All signatories with biowarfare arsenals are pledged to eliminate such weapons over ten years. While Russia and China appear to have ceased adding to their huge stockpiles of chemical weapons, both are developing new strains of highly lethal biological toxins.

www.bigeye.com...

Originally posted by FredT
Show me the proof that China did not have biowarfare prior to the SARS outbreak?
www.bigeye.com...

You are same like Bush asking Saddam to show that he does not have WMD. You should show the evidence of Chinese biowarfare. List the victims, time and place.

Remember who supplied those bio and chemi weapons when Saddam gasing Kurds or Iranian?

Originally posted by zcheng
You are same like Bush asking Saddam to show that he does not have WMD. You should show the evidence of Chinese biowarfare. List the victims, time and place.

You are the one who has claimed that China developed biowarfare capacity after SARS was inflicted on you buy the US. Hmmm does not seem to be true does it. More food for thought
www.rense.com...
www.worldnetdaily.com...
www.heritage.org...

Okay please show your proof as to who save Saddam Hussein the chemical weapons?

Originally posted by zcheng

Originally posted by Muaddib
who and why first brought to light the SARS problem in China?

Glad you bring SARS up. SARS was the biological attack launched against China by US in preparation for Iraq war and disrupt Chinese economy. It is similar to the bombing of Embassy, and will be remembered by all Chinese.

I am sorry did i just hear you say we brought SARS to you.....???? .......
I see, so i guess that's the reason why Jiang Yanyong, the Chinese doctor who broke the Chinese government coverup of the SARS epidemic is under arrest, with several other people......

Here let me give you an overview of the thread i posted on this subject.

Jiang Yanyong, a 72 year old Chinese physician who exposed the Chinese government coverup of the SARS epidemic last year, is being detained in a room under 24 hour watch, and is being threatened with confinement until he changes his thinking and raises his level of understanding about the Tiananmen massacre.

BTW has the media in China already reported the latest arrest of Jiang?........

Excerpted from.
www.abovetopsecret.com...

BTW see if you can access this site.
english.peopledaily.com.cn/zhuanti/Zhuanti_335.shtml

Originally posted by zcheng
SARS was the biological attack of a nation to disrupt Chinese economy and kill as many Chinese as possible, in its preparation of Iraq War. My fellow Chinese will remember those atrocities.

humm...you sound here as if you are ready for some war or something else against the US.....

Oh btw, here is some information about SARS from Australia.



Of course, there is another possibility and it is that China was playing around with a new virus.....

I am sorry did i just hear you say we brought SARS to you.....???? .......
I see, so i guess that's the reason why Jiang Yanyong, the Chinese doctor who broke the Chinese government coverup of the SARS epidemic is under arrest, with several other people......

Zchengs reply to a post about this couragous man was the following:

The one you referred is scum. The Whistleblowing was staged by the West media. I have no sympathy whatsoever for him.

I find it amusing that he blames us for the SARS attack yet he cannot offer any proof. However, it seems more and more likely that the who SARS outbreak was an experiment gone bad at some Chinese weapons lab.


[edit on 16-7-2004 by FredT]

Originally posted by FredT

Originally posted by zcheng
You are same like Bush asking Saddam to show that he does not have WMD. You should show the evidence of Chinese biowarfare. List the victims, time and place.

You are the one who has claimed that China developed biowarfare capacity after SARS was inflicted on you buy the US. Hmmm does not seem to be true does it. More food for thought
www.rense.com...
www.worldnetdaily.com...
www.heritage.org...

Okay please show your proof as to who save Saddam Hussein the chemical weapons?

Those cited are suspicion of American or West media. Do you think they will suggest it is done by US? If SARS is produced by China, China would not know the threat it posed, and not responded at the first moment?

Originally posted by Muaddib
I am sorry did i just hear you say we brought SARS to you.....???? .......
I see, so i guess that's the reason why Jiang Yanyong, the Chinese doctor who broke the Chinese government coverup of the SARS epidemic is under arrest, with several other people......

Here let me give you an overview of the thread i posted on this subject.

Jiang Yanyong, a 72 year old Chinese physician who exposed the Chinese government coverup of the SARS epidemic last year, is being detained in a room under 24 hour watch, and is being threatened with confinement until he changes his thinking and raises his level of understanding about the Tiananmen massacre.

First of All, he is a member of PLA in PLA hospital.

Second, he is picked by the West Media to Expose SARS in China. The West Media clearly know the potency and threat against Chinese people. US do not think China can stamp out SARS in such a swift and short period. Remember the media screaming around that period. China has to mobilize almost all Chinese to indentify and isolate possible victim. I am proud of the leadership of our Chinese government.

Third, SARS is specifically targeted against Chinese. Some people in China or of Chinese origin are prong to cause serious illness when infected. Most of West origin are safe. Do you remember where was hit the hardest? Toronto, HongKong, Singapore, Vietnam, Mainland China, and Taiwan. All these areas had lots of Chinese or of Chinese origin.

BTW has the media in China already reported the latest arrest of Jiang?........

Excerpted from.
www.abovetopsecret.com...

BTW see if you can access this site.
english.peopledaily.com.cn/zhuanti/Zhuanti_335.shtml

He think that he is able to do anything from the fame he got from the "Exposure". He violates the rules of the PLA, and deserve what he got.

Originally posted by zcheng
First of All, he is a member of PLA in PLA hospital.
I am proud of the leadership of our Chinese government.
Third, SARS is specifically targeted against Chinese
He violates the rules of the PLA, and deserve what he got.

Who cares who he worked for. Thank god he had access to the information and let the world know. Perhaps this was a chinese biowarfare experiment gone wrong and they decided to see how the world was handling it. I doubt your leadership would shed a few tears if the US, Canada, Japan, etc etc, were hit by SARS. Sars started in CHINA, so of course it would effect Chinnese people. However, it was not a race specific pathogen. It liked anybody it could infect.

Yes we have seen what happens to people that violate the rules of the PRC. From outright murder to torture, to genocide, to long term imprisonment.

Originally posted by zcheng
Those cited are suspicion of American or West media. Do you think they will suggest it is done by US? If SARS is produced by China, China would not know the threat it posed, and not responded at the first moment?

Are you saying that the all mighty PRC was ignorant about the threat of bio-chemical weapons for the last 50 years. Given the nature of your governments past coverups im not surprised. Lets see waht the World Health organization in April 2003 said about SARS and the all mighty PRC government

In a scathing report released in Beijing last week, the World Health Organization said the Chinese government was in a poor position to deal with the SARS outbreak, especially in rural areas, once it occurred; that Beijing failed to provide timely and accurate reports of the spread of the disease; and, worst of all, that there was strong evidence the government covered up its failures
Worst of all was the coverup, apparently imposed out of the fear that full disclosure would hurt foreign investment and the tourist trade. In fact, the government would have done itself and the rest of the world a big favor by being candid; the inevitable discovery of the truth demolished the government's credibility, rendering it powerless to knock down rumors and making it look corrupt and unreliable.

Corrupt and unreliable. Your government was either so grossly incompetent that it could not manage the outbreak, Or It was willing to put its citizens at risk to try to cover the outbreak up. Which of these two guys do you want to be?

More evidence of Continued Chinese Coverups From Business Week, Fed 2004

TAnother winter, another virus, another coverup? Last year, much of Asia came to a standstill because of the SARS outbreak, which started in Southern China in the winter but didn't capture the world's attention for months because of successful efforts by provincial Chinese authorities to keep the virus a secret.

Now the worry is avian flu, which has hit many countries in Asia and killed over a dozen people so far. Most, if not all, of those victims were in direct contact with infected birds. Disease experts' main concern is that the virus will mutate and jump, not just from bird to person, but from person to person. If that happens, the experts say, the whole world could be in major trouble

Funny another outbreak. No doubt the work of the CIA according to the propaganda manual you quote from. However, this occured in the same province that the SARS outbreak occured from. Coincidence? I think not. Why the coverup again ZCheng? By now your government should have realized that they can't hide stuff like this. Ah the truth will set you free.....

What about the vaunted free press in China? Hmmmm from the same article:

Murky origins
It's still not clear how and where Asia's new version of avian flu � H5N1, as it's known � got its start. But given China's track record, it's not surprising that some people in Hong Kong are looking at the mainland as the likely source � and saying officials there may have again tried to cover up the extent of the problem.

According to The Standard, a Hong Kong daily newspaper, H5N1 struck two large chicken farms in the southern province of Guangdong last fall, killing about two-thirds of their birds. The Standard, picking up a report from its Chinese-language sister publication Eastweek, says farms throughout China have suffered from avian flu for several years, a fact that local authorities worked hard to conceal.
What did Chinese officials know about H5N1, and when did they know it? Good luck trying to find out. In China, no free press exists to ask these questions. And the country has no political opposition that can demand investigations. In many cases, that means the government gets a free ride.

When I worked in hospital, there is no Chinese official media claimed that SARS is a bio attack. I studied Molecular Pathology, and toxiology, there is no evidence that SARS is generated by man. It's molecular analysis shows this virus is mostly from rodent animal, or other kind of animal.
I think SARS is a virus which lives in animal, some people eat them, and in the intestine, part of virus chain broke or mutate. If SARS is designed by US, then their tech is too advanced.....

Originally posted by superpyz
When I worked in hospital, there is no Chinese official media claimed that SARS is a bio attack. I studied Molecular Pathology, and toxiology, there is no evidence that SARS is generated by man. It's molecular analysis shows this virus is mostly from rodent animal, or other kind of animal.
I think SARS is a virus which lives in animal, some people eat them, and in the intestine, part of virus chain broke or mutate. If SARS is designed by US, then their tech is too advanced.....

It is clear why Chinese official will not claim it was a bio attack. Can you imagine how the Chinese people will react when the Central Government declares that it is a bio attack by US or others. Zhe Ci Shi Zhong Guo Ci Le Ya Ba Kui.

I also tracked and analysized the information I am able to collect from NCBI and tried to find its possible origin. It is extemely complex in terms of its similarity to other virus. It resembles lots of Coronavirus, but also it is not similar to anyone. It is more close to marine coronavirus and Bovine Coronavirus. It can not be from natural mutation. With some partion of its Genome, it is even close to some HIV segments. All I can say Shi Ke Jin Ti.

superpyz, SARS is a ethnic virus targeting the immune system of some ethnic Chinese. Following is the Taiwan report on this topic in Chinese, your system need to support Chinese to read it.

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Originally posted by zcheng
superpyz, SARS is a ethnic virus targeting the immune system of some ethnic Chinese. Following is the Taiwan report on this topic in Chinese, your system need to support Chinese to read it.

Wow im convinced. Looks like a bad scan of you propaganda manual too me. Pehaps you would like to give the link to your source? Your proof as it were?????