Hey China, why are you so worked up about an Independant Taiwan

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posted on Jul, 11 2004 @ 11:34 AM
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Originally posted by drunk
Chinese economy is doing alot better now after SARS.


That is because of the strength of Chinese Economy and power of Chinese people, not US insidious biological attack.




posted on Jul, 11 2004 @ 11:57 AM
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Originally posted by zcheng

That is because of the strength of Chinese Economy and power of Chinese people, not US insidious biological attack.


Yanno. I'm seriously having my doubts that you are actually Chinese. I reckon you're just a troll. Even the Chinese authorities don't bs that SARS was caused by US blackops.

Personally, I reckon you're just yet another US hater. The one disadvantage you have though, is that you join topics on which you have no knowledge and display a breath-taking ignorance.

Personally, if I were you? I'd read up on Chinese culture, history, policy, politics and the rest of it. You don't actually seem to know a single thing about the country you claim to be from.



posted on Jul, 11 2004 @ 12:02 PM
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Originally posted by Leveller
Yanno. I'm seriously having my doubts that you are actually Chinese. I reckon you're just a troll. Even the Chinese authorities don't bs that SARS was caused by US blackops.


Following is the analyis of a recent event concerning China. Your system need to recognize Chinese to read it. Can you tell me what does it say?

新加坡小臭虫的访台,具有深刻的国际政治背景。
新加坡乃是美国在东南亚的桥头堡,是东亚最反共最反华的国家之一。虽然在
中国改革开放之后,由于美中关系的改善,新加坡这个美国的忠实走卒,似乎
也顺从其美国主子的意思,而有所收敛,因此新中关系有所改善,但新加坡的
这一美国在东亚的最忠实走狗的角色,并没有根本改变,或者说根本没有改变。
一旦美中关系走僵、或者美国需要对中国进行某种“围剿”胁迫时,它就会
迫不及待地跳出来,猛咬中国。

我们大家应该都还记得去年萨斯期间,温相去越南(?)和东盟协调共同防御
萨斯的会议,新加坡总理吴作栋,拒绝了温总的提议,更还极端诋毁中国,并
四处散布谣言说萨斯在中国两三年都不可能控制,建议国际投资将到中国的投
资分流到其他国家。萨斯究竟如何源起,大概已如陈水扁的枪击,永无法寻其
真正源头。然而种种迹象表明,萨斯乃美国针对中国的一次试探性或者警告性
的生化战之可能性极高。而一旦明白这点,则新加坡那时的极为肤浅极为嚣张
极为落井下石的举动,也就完全符合逻辑了。

胡温仅仅以一两个月时间就迅速控制了萨斯,让新加坡颜面丢尽。然而如果以
为新加坡会为此就感到愧疚,那就大错特错了。新加坡乃是美国的走狗,它的
地位决定了它只要听主子的话,咬错了人或者咬掉了牙齿,也是不要紧的。它
的叫嚣,不过是美国在后伊拉克战争时期加紧部署围堵中国的先声一步而已。
这个实质,决定了新加坡这个鸟过不拉屎的弹丸小国,这个本身拥有百分之八
十华人血统的国家,在萨斯闹剧余波尚未落定时,就又急匆匆地跳将出来,冒
天下之大不韪,不但挑战中国之主权,更敢于挑战天下华人,派其所谓副总理
去台湾谈论所谓共同防卫问题,而且恰恰是在美国那个什么斯,刚刚访问北京
之后。这个李显笼,大概也是迄今为止中国的邦交国中,最高级别的在职官员
访问台湾。--而况竟是去和台湾谈防卫问题,也就是公然讨论如何武装台独
分子,抵抗中国!这个举动,不但已远远走在其他国家前面,更还远远走在了
美国和日本的前面!

以新加坡的那点放屁不响的实力,如果认为是它自己突然神经病而来挑战中国,
那一定是极为愚蠢的认识。联系过去的一系列的事情,包括美国、日本,和台
湾陈水扁的诸如公投啊军购啊,等等,毫无疑问,这些乃是一系列早已安排好
的举动。李显龙乃是秉承美国主子的意旨,对中国在台湾问题上之底线的进一
步试探,而且这次的底线,不再是遮遮掩掩的,而已经是把中国当局的裤衩,
当局的最后的一块遮羞布,一把扯了下来!

这一系列的不断挑战底线、跨越底线、再挑战底线、跨越底线的举动,乃是兵
法上的一个非常常见的谋略。但正如美国那个黑人什么斯回去之后所说,她的
访问证明了中国当局领导层在台湾问题上,其实至今没有一个清晰的认识(这
消息首先正为新加坡海峡时报所登载)、和一个明确的应对策略--需要指出,
这个说法如果属实,那将是极为危险的,将极类似于南宋的局面,我认为问题
的根本原因,就在于中央在此关键时期,因为一些原因,无法有一个统一的集
中的高效的决策机制--这就给了他们以足够的可乘之机,一如南宋时一般。

苍蝇不叮无缝的蛋,美国及其走狗新加坡等,正是因为判断出中央现在出现的
这个极不该出现的局面,因此才敢于作出这样的直接挑战中国的主权的举动。
当然,需要指出,美国让新加坡这样的小国来作,是因为它并不想自己直接出
来作这个事情,因为它不想承担直接和中国挑战的结果,这也是一切强权国家
在对另一个强权时常见的情况。它总是先派一只狗,出来骚扰,这样自己可进
可退,而不必冒和中国直接正面碰撞的结果。

那么中国该怎么作,达到遏制此一局面诱发骨牌效应,从而形成对自己更加极
为不利的结果的局面?

结果非常简单:必须在最短时间内,以最坚决、最果断、最严历、最彻底的方
式,在新加坡这个狗爪子最能感受到疼痛,或者是我们最能让这杂种感受到疼
的点上,对其作一次最严历的打击,这一打击,虽然不可能改变它继续将作美
国走狗的局面,但至少使得它及其美国主子感受到中国当局是敢于下狠手、下
毒手的,是已经有决心去将“犯强汉者,虽远必诛”的口号,以最大的能力,
最大的决心,付诸行动的。新加坡这个美国狗腿伸出的爪,如果不将其斩断,
至少将其打得骨折,疼痛一些日子,如果当局这次又出现政策不清晰、没有明
确的目标的软弱性,那么下面将恐怕会更加被动,美国及其爪牙们,将会更加
快速和肆无忌惮地实施其围堵中国的战略!


这里附带说几句:在新加坡的新移民,从自己及子孙的未来考虑,宜于尽力对
新加坡当局的此一举动加于反抗遏制。否则,我只怕数年前我对以为准备移民
新加坡的朋友的忠告,及在未来台海战争中,新加坡将可能和中国以某种形式
对抗,中国固然必将对其进行足够的打击,然而在新加坡的大陆新移民,恐怕
将要深受其害--这个预言,将很快成为现实。也希望我的老友们放长眼看,
莫要种下错误,将来悔之无及阿。

CG



posted on Jul, 11 2004 @ 12:15 PM
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Here is what comes to mind about your beloved China. I doubt you will see # like this in the west. Guess she just couldn't keep up with the rest of the kids in the shoe factory.









To the Chinese authorities, abandoned girls are merely worthless trash. 揑 called the emergency services, but nobody came, says the woman who found this latest little victim. (For fear of official reprisal, she wishes to remain anonymous.) 揟he baby was lying right near the government tax office, so many people in government just walked past. Eventually, an old man picked up the child, put her in a box, and dropped her in a garbage bin. When the police finally arrived, they showed no interest in investigating her death. They instead arrested the woman who抎 tried to save her. 揑 took some photographs, because it was so terrible; the police were more worried about my pictures than the baby, she says. The police only released the woman once she handed over her film.

www.taliacarner.com...

Whats your govt's propaganda book take on justifying this?



posted on Jul, 11 2004 @ 12:17 PM
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Originally posted by baked
Here is what comes to mind about your beloved China. I doubt you will see # like this in the west. Guess she just couldn't keep up with the rest of the kids in the shoe factory.


You sure think US is safest place in the planet with highest crime rate in the world. Be proud, LOL.

As for those criminals doing that, they should be hanged for what they have done.



posted on Jul, 11 2004 @ 12:21 PM
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Should be hanged, but not! But baby corpses arn't cast to the roadside like trash here. Not yet anyway. You seem to have an excuse for all their actions, whats their excuse for this?



posted on Jul, 11 2004 @ 12:28 PM
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Originally posted by FredT

Originally posted by omega007
FredT
Ok........Say Alaska votes to become independent from the USA.....not going to be allowed. What is the difference.....?


If you have read throught the various post on the subject. If the state as a whole decided to leave the union, there is nothing in the constitution that prevents it. No doubt it would be tied up in the courts for a while, but really thats about it. The constitution is clear on adding but not leaving. Hawaii has a nationalist movement but its a minority at present. If the state of Hawaii voted to secseed what exactly could we do about it? Zcheng's solution seems to be to burn it down to bedrock.

But as several posters have pointed out in this and other threads, China's claim to Taiwan is shaky at best.




I dont post very often anymore but I had to answer this.


I am from Arkansas and we in the South have seen EXACTLY what the US government will do to a state that tries to sucede from the USA, does the Civil War ring a bell? And dont buy the crap about them only fighting to free the slaves Lincon openly stated the war had NOTHING to do with slaves and if we stayed we could keep them it was for ONE reason only to keep us in the union.



posted on Jul, 11 2004 @ 12:44 PM
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Originally posted by zcheng
Following is the analyis of a recent event concerning China. Your system need to recognize Chinese to read it. Can you tell me what does it say?


So you can cut and paste. So what?
Post the link.

See, I reckon you're either some rabid anti-Bush US citizen or an immigrant with a chip on his shoulder.
Either way - you're just noise.



posted on Jul, 11 2004 @ 12:47 PM
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Amuk, thanks for stating the facts.



posted on Jul, 11 2004 @ 12:56 PM
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Originally posted by zcheng
Amuk, thanks for stating the facts.



Dont thank me the rest of the arguement is crap NO country including the USA or China has a right to forcably keep a section of its people against thier will, to me this would be akin to forcing a wife to stay with an abusive husband.

In other words they had no right to stop our independince and you have no right to stop Tiwian.....or Tibet either for that matter.



posted on Jul, 11 2004 @ 12:59 PM
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Originally posted by Amuk
Dont thank me the rest of the arguement is crap NO country including the USA or China has a right to forcably keep a section of its people against thier will, to me this would be akin to forcing a wife to stay with an abusive husband.

In other words they had no right to stop our independince and you have no right to stop Tiwian.....or Tibet either for that matter.


I like that. When the same rule will be apply to both US and China, I think it is fair.



posted on Jul, 11 2004 @ 01:00 PM
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Originally posted by zcheng
Amuk, thanks for stating the facts.


Amuk is correct with "the facts" but the "facts" do not justify the governments agression to the south back then, nor does it justify chinas agression to Tiawan. They are just that, facts.



posted on Jul, 11 2004 @ 01:22 PM
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Originally posted by zcheng

Originally posted by Amuk
Dont thank me the rest of the arguement is crap NO country including the USA or China has a right to forcably keep a section of its people against thier will, to me this would be akin to forcing a wife to stay with an abusive husband.

In other words they had no right to stop our independince and you have no right to stop Tiwian.....or Tibet either for that matter.


I like that. When the same rule will be apply to both US and China, I think it is fair.


The difference in this case is I doubt many (if any) states would be able to legally sucede from the US. The fact is that the majority of Americans LOVE living in the US.


E_T

posted on Jul, 11 2004 @ 03:04 PM
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Something which China's government really doesn't want to let its citizens know: (unless they're corrupted with this today's "so popular" ultra-nationalistic BS)
hrw.org...



posted on Jul, 11 2004 @ 03:16 PM
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Originally posted by E_T
Something which China's government really doesn't want to let its citizens know: (unless they're corrupted with this today's "so popular" ultra-nationalistic BS)
hrw.org...


How much do you want to bet that that site is "blocked" no doubt "adult" content as out friend maintains. I really like the story on the doctor that is been jailed because he broke the story on SARS. Nice eh? Guess there is no Whistleblower law in china.....



posted on Jul, 11 2004 @ 03:20 PM
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Originally posted by baked
Here is what comes to mind about your beloved China. I doubt you will see # like this in the west. Guess she just couldn't keep up with the rest of the kids in the shoe factory.Whats your govt's propaganda book take on justifying this?


That is so apalling. Because of the birth laws, often infant girls are killed because of the priority given to first born sons. If you look at the infant mortality rate for China, female children have a higher mortality rate. Female infants are usualy stronger than males esp right after birth. Much like female premature infant statisticaly do better. In China thats not the case. Wonder what they are going to do when they run out of females



posted on Jul, 11 2004 @ 03:22 PM
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Originally posted by FredT
How much do you want to bet that that site is "blocked" no doubt "adult" content as out friend maintains. I really like the story on the doctor that is been jailed because he broke the story on SARS. Nice eh? Guess there is no Whistleblower law in china.....


The one you referred is scum. The Whistleblowing was staged by the West media. I have no sympathy whatsoever for him.



posted on Jul, 11 2004 @ 03:57 PM
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Lao zhang, bu yao he mei guo lao zuo wu wei de zheng lun le, ta men you bu shi zhong guo ren , bu dong wo men de wen hua.
bu guo hua shuo hui lai, lao gong ye bu shi shen me hao dong xi. zhi shi wo men hai yao kao ta hui guo, suo yi wo bu gan zai guo nei ma ta.
mei guo qi shi hen bu cuo, wo zai zhe li sheng huo xue xi, gan jue hen hao, you hen duo zhi de wo men xue xi de di fang. mei guo ren jue de zi ji tai you yue le, suo yi ta men dui gong chan dang shi jue dui bu neng rong ren de. GCD dui wo men de guo jia shi you gong you guo, dan shi zong de shuo lai, guo da yu gong, xian zai shi huan zheng yu min de shi hou le !

I'm a Chinese, I love my country. What I dreamed is some day, chinese government is really really ruled by people, not a greedy party.
Please be nice to my motherland. China =\ Chicom. China=a beautiful land with loooooooong long history.

Some day, democracy and freedom will come back to my homeland, when the time comes,taiwan will back automatically, not by force.



posted on Jul, 12 2004 @ 12:27 AM
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Originally posted by zcheng
The one you referred is scum. The Whistleblowing was staged by the West media. I have no sympathy whatsoever for him.


The Doctor that let the west know that China was covering up SARS is scum? Maybe by your standards (I notice you have not commented on dead baby in the gutter pictures). However, why did your government that is soooooo respectful of the lives of its people, try to cover it up?



posted on Jul, 12 2004 @ 04:26 AM
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China and Chinese people have plenty of reasons to be upset about Taiwan trying to become independent. That's what I feel after having discussed the issue at various locations with a large number of different people in China during my 6 years here.

As for "foreigners" (mainly westerners) who have never set foot in China, nor done research about the background and issues, nor talked with informed representatives from both sides of the situation, don't expect to understand how chinese people feel regarding this matter only through what you read in a few articles on the internet. It's not that simple.

You would need to take off quite a few layers of your sunglasses and prejudices + walk quite a few miles in chinese shoes to get a somewhat similar viewpoint, understanding and emotional connection to a matter like China-Taiwan, like the Chinese have.

Nothing wrong with trying to understand, but do show some respect and be modest with your claims and barking at others. How the "beep" are ya gonna understand the chinese peoples feelings and motives when you "beep" disregard of what they say and see everything from your own "beep" narrow/ uninformed point of view.


Taiwan is not Hawaii.

Deny Ignorance





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