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"He was an atheist"...

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posted on Jan, 11 2011 @ 12:42 AM
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was he a vegetarian too? i dont believe in religion and have doubts theres a god so am i a threat now? glen becks a clown


 
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posted on Jan, 11 2011 @ 12:51 AM
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Originally posted by Condemned0625

All evidence points to the fact that the assailant from this weekend was severely mentally disturbed. His belief system was not rational by any modern political standard. He was an atheist...


There's two problems with these statements:

1. What evidence? How can you prove that the assailant is mentally disturbed? Maybe he was just pissed off. Everyone gets mad at times throughout their lives. There is no such thing as an "official" state of mind that is "normal".

He killed a bunch of innocent people for no reason, I think that qualifies him.



edit on 11-1-2011 by NewAgeMan because: eyeroll added to show disgust with such a nieve POV and ill concieved comment.



posted on Jan, 11 2011 @ 12:52 AM
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Originally posted by strafgod
was he a vegetarian too? i dont believe in religion and have doubts theres a god so am i a threat now? glen becks a clown


 
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Of course.. and doubly bad if you wear a funny hat and smoke pot.

I hope everyone sees this to be as ludicrous as I do... this whole association and interests thing being the big excuse as to why he did this. He did it because he WANTED to. Not Palin, not the tea party, not the dems or the pot... not his religion or lack of it.. he may have had mental disease and its pretty obvious to me his did.. but he certainly knew right from wrong. Absolutely NO NGRI defense for this dope. He also knew that by loading a gun and discharging it into a crowd that he was going to more than likely kill one or more people.. and he KEPT pulling the trigger.. he knew exactly what he was doing. None of this other crap means a hill of beans unless you buy into the "govt think" bs that you are who you associate with or what you read or where you go or what you wear or what you post... the reality of it is that you are WHAT YOU DO. What did he do? He loaded a gun and killed people. End of story. If we keep trying to link him to things to show why he did this ( in order to look at others and see if they are also potential shooters.. good citizen informants... ) we are no better than the govt profiling and making BS watchlists. As of yet we cant imprison people for what they MIGHT do.. regardless of who they hang with or what they post or what religion they are. I seriously wonder if some here arent into the whole pre-crime thing..



posted on Jan, 11 2011 @ 12:57 AM
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He had a reason or possibly multiple reasons and you only think it qualifies him. Opinions are not facts.



posted on Jan, 11 2011 @ 01:03 AM
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Evil has no reason, it's absurd, baseless, without purpose. Period.

You want to line up in his defence, based on everything we know about him and his lunatic rants, and claim that it's only an opinion that he was let us say, SICK, be my guest.

Does this mean I don't have compassion even for him, no.

But that he was mentally ill is plainly obvious.

You can't be serious..?

Unless he really was a victim of mind control, but even then, what he did cannot be justified, nor made reasonable.

I sure hope you're not going to try to persuade us that there is no truth and everything is permissible.. ie: "do as thou wilt shall be the whole of the law" and other such nonsense..


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posted on Jan, 11 2011 @ 01:09 AM
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Yes.

That certainly is proof.

A man whose job is to spread mis-information is surely good enough for me.

I haven't seen proof Glenn Beck wrote this.

But if he did, he disgusts me. Anyone who would take anothers death to sell a cheap political point absolutely disgusts me.



posted on Jan, 11 2011 @ 01:14 AM
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Of course I'm serious. Now I must question why you assert that evil is absurd and without purpose. First of all, define evil as the way you perceive it, then compare it with my definition of evil. Your preconception is opinionated in nature, not factual, otherwise it could be proven as a logical absolute if it was factual. People do things for reasons and there are prior reasons that lead to those actions. If a person pisses me off, I find murder to be justified. Does that mean it's necessarily right? No, but that doesn't necessarily mean it's wrong either. Do you understand now? There are no such things as universal laws that state "This action is absolutely evil!" or "This action is absolutely wrong!". Perception is the key.



posted on Jan, 11 2011 @ 01:49 AM
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It's not a logical absolute to begin with, that's all I'm saying when I say it's absurd.

An abberation in the mental faculty of ignorant man, nothing more, not a force of nature, not a ying yang, it's just a sickness, and this guy was, and presumably still is, sick.

And you're wrong I think about truth as well, that it's simply a moral reletavism, without anything that CAN be known ie: that what this guy did was ah, not reasonable.

Evil is always and forever only that which is not reasonable, which makes no sense - ie: absurd, right on the face of it. It would be uproariously funny and amuzing, if it weren't so sad, and such a terrible problem for the world today, which is why I weep over it, not try to rationalize it, that doesn't make any sense, to justify it, relative to ourselves, and our entirely private POV in isolate consciousness.

There is no hiding from the light of truth, is what I'm saying, and if there ever was a devil, he was long ago swallowed up, deep sixed if you will - so that I, and presumably you AND I, can get to LAUGH again and rejoice and be friends together in eternity, a space that is "all good", happy, joyful, alive, as an oppotunity - and this has nothing whatsoever to do with evil, there's no evil in it!



posted on Jan, 11 2011 @ 01:53 AM
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Did you just say, that if a person makes you angry, or pissedoff, that you find MURDER to be justified?!

I'll TRY not to take that as a threat then..

I'll just have to leave you with that then..


You're worldview, is no longer subject, to scrutiny.

You're on your own.



posted on Jan, 11 2011 @ 01:59 AM
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Originally posted by NewAgeMan
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Did you just say, that if a person makes you angry, or pissedoff, that you find MURDER to be justified?!

I'll TRY not to take that as a threat then..

I'll just have to leave you with that then..


You're worldview, is no longer subject, to scrutiny.

You're on your own.


Yep, I sure as hell did say that. I'm not on my own though because I actually have plenty of friends and a fiancée who have the same mindsets. Not that I or any of them have murdered anyone, but wishes and imagination are nice to have when you can't do it in reality.



posted on Jan, 11 2011 @ 02:07 AM
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But what you actually said was that your anger alone is sufficient to JUSTIFY murder, and I'm here to say that there's more to the world than your own inner circle of friends, and we're some damn fine people too, you know?

You make me sad.

Me I want to include everyone, in a type of pointless point of view (but not without it's own singularity) to be friends with everyone, because if you don't have love for everyone, then how can you really love anyone, ourselves included?

Hatred is a strange thing. To hate huge swaths of your fellow man, I just cann't bring myself to do that, it's not in me to do.

Murder isn't justified, by ANGER, that's absurd!

It's almost funny, if there wasn't an irrational murderous rage out there on the part of some people, that's what takes the fun away, and ruins the joke at the end of time, imho, which doesn't really do anyone any favours at all, and hurts us all in the end.

Aside: I guess this kind of takes the fun out of couragiously and freely publicizing one's name and personal information here at ATS, to be forthright, and above board.

You might "piss someone off" out there somewhere...

That's pretty sad.

Hurtful.

A loss of freedom.

Groups of people out there fantasizing about murdering SOMEONE, if only that person might sufficiently piss them off, you gotta be kidding me?

You can't be serious.. (see here I am still searching for the joke, for the humour and the friendship)


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posted on Jan, 11 2011 @ 02:17 AM
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I honestly could care less what this guy believed or didn't believe in regards to the god question, it's entirely irrelevant to his actions.

Given that Glenn Beck is famous for talking out of his rear end I give no credence to anything he said.

Atheism is an answer to the question of whether you believe in god(s) I fail to see how that could have any connection here. That's like coming out and saying John Wilkes Booth shot Lincoln because he was a theist, it's stupid.

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posted on Jan, 11 2011 @ 02:21 AM
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I make you sad? That's not my problem.


...because if you don't have love for everyone, then how can you really love anyone, ourselves included?


That's easy. I have a fiancée and I obviously love her while hating other particular people at the same time. Multitasking isn't as difficult as you think.


Hatred is a strange thing. To hate huge swaths of your fellow man, I just cann't bring myself to do that, it's not in me to do.


It's certainly in me to do it. After all, hatred is human nature and completely natural. I do find "love and compassion for everyone" to be strange since not everyone deserves love and respect from me. I certainly would not love nor respect someone who pisses me off or harms my fiancée. Like I said: Perception is the key. There are logical absolutes, then there are outright lies.



posted on Jan, 11 2011 @ 02:26 AM
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If everything is one, then how can we be found in eternity, if we cannot bring ourselves to forgive?

Do you believe in any sort of karma?



posted on Jan, 11 2011 @ 02:30 AM
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I have no beliefs. I either know or I don't know, which is one of the basics of honesty.

I reject the belief in karma due to the lack of evidence for its existence.
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posted on Jan, 11 2011 @ 02:32 AM
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Don't get me wrong, we entitled at times to our anger, certainly, but NOT to muderous hatred and rage, that's unneccessary and uncalled for, and as I've pointed out an indignity to the whole human race.



posted on Jan, 11 2011 @ 02:33 AM
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That's your belief. Doesn't mean it's factual. There are others who will disagree with you, not just myself.



posted on Jan, 11 2011 @ 02:43 AM
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I wanted to express my opinion on this particular subject, and maybe even some posters as well.

"WE" vary in our lives, opinions, beliefs, and diversity. This is the true separation between us and the animals. Our "truths" are just that "our" truths. No one is more than the other as far as beliefs, or non are concerned. Some of us choose to express ourselves in a different way, whether its forgiveness, or hate.

We do what makes us happy, complete, and fulfilled. When an owl eats a mouse, its not because he hates it, its because its his form of survival. Both the owl and the mouse have an understanding of the game, and since both progress, and neither are extinct, they can play the game well.

Some of us are not born or taught the ability of love or hate, we accommodate ourselves as we grow. Some hate, and some love. That's makes us no less important as the other.

With that said we are in an "owl" and "mouse" scenario, and have been for sometimes. When you "love" thats whats worked for your survival, and when someone else "hates" that was for their survival. We are here and together so we have something that can bring both of those together.

I frankly dont care what this persons personal reflections were, its what hes done about it that matters.

Peace, NRE.



posted on Jan, 11 2011 @ 02:45 AM
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In self defence, yes, I forgot to mention that, but not otherwise, or you're violating the law of life itself, but as I pointed out, hurting not only your fellow man and the whole of humanity, but also your own self.
And that you make me sad, isn't your problem, no, but to the heart of the reader, the observer, which we can't see, but which I perceive as I type, the "watchers" (i know you're out there!), it might.

This is not a ploy, but this little exchange of ours, has made be SO sad in fact, that I am seriously thinking I might need to just quit this place. That the time has come, because I can't deal with this #. It makes me too sad.

These abominations, MURDERS are not JUSTIFIED!!!! They are NOT! Not by anyone's anger - see THAT's anger, but I'm not about to kill anyone over it, what an outrage that is, on THIS BOARD - talk of murder, and of people fantasizing about it, in relation to THIS topic (as if he had his "reasons), oh dear God I'm out of here, at the very least this thread. BYE!


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posted on Jan, 11 2011 @ 02:50 AM
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To be honest, you expect too much from obsolete mammals (humans). Hatred will always exist, no matter where you go, no matter what timeline you're in. It is as inevitable as death. I embrace hatred and death for what they are, as well as love and life in certain aspects.

As for your "law of life" scenario, there is no such thing. That's one of the most absurd things I've ever heard.

If you're so sad over an inevitable occurrence, then do what you must, but I must remind you that it will never go away.



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