reply to post by JoseChung
I've already lost count of the amount of times you've generalised everyone, and that's maybe your problem.
Yes, I have generalized and it is a flaw I am willing to admit is a mistake. However, I believe that for a majority of the people, the generalization
is a fair one. This is based solely on the action I have seen taken by members or the proposed action to be taken by member, that of which is the same
old action that has been taken to little to no results over the past few centuries.
And a movement springing up from this site? Nice way to give the governments an easy reason to focus on the place and find excuses to shut it down.
But THIS is exactly what I am talking about. If the governments have enough of an excuse to shut this down then that means it is because they FEAR us
and our potential to change the world. That is the ONLY reason.
The only problem is that most of these people do not realize their potential, or would rather choose to squander it or run and hide at the first sight
of problems. I say let them focus on ATS because it will only prove my point further: that this place is a vessel that could be used for much more
than it already is, but is chosen not to be for selfish reasons.
reply to post by eNumbra
I think you doubt the relevance of even half the ATS populace to "walk-out" of the system entirely. Should even 100,000 of the members, heck, let us
say 50,000 of the members decide to stand up for a situation - opt of out banks, welfare systems, unconstitutional laws, the mass media, brainwashing
television - this in itself would make the "ball" reach the top of the hill and will begin a landslide that is unstoppable. You forget that the
largest revolutions in history were performed by the actions of a few people which inspired others to do the same.
reply to post by hawkiye
The people need some kind of inspiration. Regardless of how educated they become they will never act without some kind of inspiration to do so. That
is why I feel the steps we take here are fruitless because not a soul is willing to inspire the masses, something they may mean the ultimate sacrifice
for such an individual.
I have been ready and willing to do such a thing for a long time, however, the more I look at the people the more I realize that they will do ANYTHING
to stay within their bubble and simply except their existence as the norm. I do not WANT to be used as a sacrificial lamb, but I realize that only
through inspiring the people will any action occur. I do not want it to be in vain.
The information will shift, yes, but when it does TPTB will shift as well. They will shut down this place and any other that is deemed a threat to
them. Even the entire internet will not be safe if anything threatens to dismantle their power structure. What then? Where will the information flow
from then? How will the people gather together to fight the system if all gatherings are lost?
Because let's face it, without the internet, in this day and age anonymity is impossible. CCTV, bugs, shills, and paranoid people will prevent any
such gathering in public from occurring and it will be too little too late.
reply to post by Hefficide
You make a good point, however, I think the people here spoke loud and clear about their impressionability by Loughner. It seems that the community
was well aware of the path the fellow addled on and was sure to avoid it at all costs.
As I said though, we are indeed a sleeping lion. But as we awaken we assume that ATS is going to be around long enough for us to reach a potential to
make change. We assume that TPTB won't take this place down along with any with it in the coming days. We assume that on any given day a solar flare
might knock out electronics and this place will be as good as done.
We base all out potential on the assumption that everything will work out perfectly for this community to awaken and take a stand, but in the thick
and thin of history, when have events EVER panned out perfectly for the dissenters?
We sit here with no plans, no ultimatums, no future perspective. Only our words. That is all that we have.
reply to post by Kangaruex4Ewe
I struggle to see the good that education causes. We open peoples eyes yet we teach them to enact change by doing the things you mentioned, this that
account for and accomplish absolutely nothing. Sure it may feel good to vote for the "good guy" or speak out at a town hall meeting, but how much
does anything change because of that. You might get a few people with an AHA moment, but that is about it. That is all that it is good for.
reply to post by catwhoknowsplusone
It is good to know that YOU know why you are here. We each have our own purpose in life. I'd like to feel that I am fulfilling mine as I type on
these forums and as I take action against the world I have come to despise. It is my hope that I will inspire people more so than actually
accomplishing anything to be remembered by. In good time we shall see if that purpose holds true for me, or if there is another calling in my life.
reply to post by DINSTAAR
I am not saying that the policies should be abolished altogether. Obviously is someone is recruiting for a terrorist type organization it should be
erased and the person banned. However, peaceful protests and activism should be embraced by a community who seeks truth. It is these types of things
that cause others to seek and embrace the same ideals by following the example.
Yes, I have heard of the free state project. Plenty of promise and little action. As I have seen countless projects come and go in the past, I will
only see success when the 10,000 - 20,000 people that decide to pledge to that actually make the jump. Will they be willing to pack and leave behind
whatever life they had?
When push comes to shove, I doubt it. People are too accustomed to whatever they have now to worry themselves when the time comes. Regardless, just
because a group of people move to a single state, what will it prove? That New Hampshire is freer than most? Then what? Record numbers begin to flock
to New Hampshire, the place gets crowded and corrupt due to lack of civil support, and then the federal government either decides to abandon (unlikely
scenario) or take matters into their own hands and see that New Hampshire is restored to its "former glory".
There is no accountability for these plans and no future planning for scenarios that are very likely to happen.
reply to post by Expat888
I agree. I despise politics. However, I also realize that it is the way of the world and the only way to change it is from routing it from the inside.
Either that or violently opposing it. Let us just say that I won't be running for office any time soon.
reply to post by kwakakev
Couldn't agree more. Now if only more people saw the situation like this then we might be able to get somewhere.