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posted on Jan, 10 2011 @ 03:43 PM
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With the recent die-off of birds,
air-quality is of paramount importance.
The main unspoken culprit seems to be chemtrails.
Which are toxifying the air with their residues.

Since the air outside in many areas is contaminated,
a solution is to create an indoor environment with pristine air.
I have indoor planted aquarium with bubbler for air-purification,
and all the windows shut and insulation tape on the doors.


This should give you a very rough point of comparison to the number of plants needed to supply oxygen for life support in a sealed system.
"A net production of 500 g to 600 g of dry algae per man per day is required for oxygen regeneration" This would be about 850-1000 g wet algae grown in a 20L tank.
cedb.asce.org...
or "17.5 trees per person" to produce oxgygen but 20 trees per person to consume the CO2 according to NASA.
www.nas.nasa.gov...

answers.yahoo.com...

For the setup of the aquarium,
Really only need to have the actual glass aquarium,
can get dirt for deep-sand-bed from outside,

deep-sand-bed needs to be 4-6 inches or 10-15 cm deep.
I have the bottom half of my deep-sand-bed made of clay,
and the top half of it made of sand.


To make sure it's producing the most oxygen,
with efficiencies and longevity that it could be solar powered in case of blackout,
I got LED grow lights, 28watts equivalent to 250 watts halide grow lights.

To make sure have good air-exchange have an air-pump bubbler.
And for on-off regulation have a timer.

since plants produce carbon-dioxide during the night,
I have the lights on at the same time as the bubbler.

I got plants and invertebrate from a local pond for free.
the underwater worms are useful for maintaining deep sand bed.



To make sure there is good air-circulation in the room,
have an oscilating fan, though I find it works fine when in just one direction.

Since the water-level drops from evaporation,
I collect rainwater or snow and melt it down for water.
though filtered tap water usually works also.

here a pic with the snow-melt bucket and the fan


An added bonus is that along with the filtering elodea-family plants,
I have some edible plants, such as duckweed high in protein and watercress.
In this pic the duckweed or water-lentils are the floating leaves,
whereas the water-cress is the plant rising out of the water:


I've yet to get solar-panels to allow for completely closed-loop operation.
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posted on Jan, 10 2011 @ 03:52 PM
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So you really did this just for chemtrails?

Since chemtrails arent real, did the poisons from vehichle emissions, flouridated water, gmo crops, big pharma, fda, contaminated chinese goods, etc, ever occur to you?

What kind of proactive things do you do for things that are PROVEN to be occuring, ie. what I said above, as opposed to preparing for a hoax?

Or is all about the chemtrails baby!?



posted on Jan, 10 2011 @ 03:53 PM
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I respect what you've got going on here, but how do you get your rainwater or snow if you're sealed away from the chems?

Is your place really that airtight?



posted on Jan, 10 2011 @ 05:31 PM
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Originally posted by ZombieJesus
reply to post by lowki
 


So you really did this just for chemtrails?

I did it mainly for oxygen in winter time.



Since chemtrails arent real, did the poisons from vehichle emissions, flouridated water, gmo crops, big pharma, fda, contaminated chinese goods, etc, ever occur to you?

sure, i also live near a major intersection.
have allergies in spring time,
and have pets at home.

so for all those it's an improvement.

also installed a deep-sand-bed for the kitty-litter box,
with an inch or two of water at the bottom,
and it's really almost completely eliminated the smell.
only if I shove my face into the litter box is it noticeable.
also since the sand is wet the cats don't track it, nor do they have to dig.




What kind of proactive things do you do for things that are PROVEN to be occuring, ie. what I said above, as opposed to preparing for a hoax?

Or is all about the chemtrails baby!?

well chemtrails just been popular recently.
with all the dead birds I thought it was obvious.
especially considering how the Toxic Sky chemtrail movie was banned.




I respect what you've got going on here, but how do you get your rainwater or snow if you're sealed away from the chems?

well I go outside and collect it.



Is your place really that airtight?

it's not vacuum sealed or anything, and i don't have an airlock.
most of the air that does come in is from the apartment hallway.
one day they were doing laquering next door,
and it became apparent the air was seeping through the door cracks,
so I got insulative tape used for keeping houses warmer in winter from dollar store.
it effectively keeps the smells of the hallways out, so is reasonably effective.

The air-bubbler is rated for 40 gallons of air per hour,
so it can quite quickly re-filter any new air that comes in.
The elodea plants absorb smoke and any chemicals as nutrients.
also the deep-sand-bed can absorb ammonia, sulphates, and others.



posted on Jan, 11 2011 @ 01:46 AM
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Originally posted by ZombieJesus
Since chemtrails arent real


Like you really have any idea...



posted on Jan, 11 2011 @ 12:23 PM
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posted on Jan, 11 2011 @ 12:27 PM
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This is the dumbest thing I have seen in a long time.. In the event of a real chemical agent being spread, that thing is not going to save you from anything...



posted on Jan, 11 2011 @ 12:33 PM
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Oh yeah about your little O2 toy. It wont work. You are better off just spraying febreeze in your face through a fan.



posted on Jan, 11 2011 @ 02:24 PM
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Originally posted by MisterCrowley
This is the dumbest thing I have seen in a long time.. In the event of a real chemical agent being spread, that thing is not going to save you from anything...

It's good enough
for space-stations
cedb.asce.org...
for nuclear-submarines
oai.dtic.mil...
So quite obviously it's enough for apartments.


Originally posted by Kayzar
Oh yeah about your little O2 toy. It wont work.


On the contrary it is working.
It's much easier to breathe in my apartment than the hallway.
I do lot of meditation, so I'm very sensitive to air-quality



You are better off just spraying febreeze in your face through a fan.

That is a potentially dangerous chemical agent.
You're more likely to seriously injure or kill yourself.
It says on the bottle "do not spray directly toward face"

On the contrary, plants and algae produce all the air we breathe.
Aquatic algae is far more efficient at doing so than plants.
edit on 11/1/11 by lowki because: space-stations and submarines


Kamal Meattle earns his livelihood using plants for achieving industrial air quality,
here is a Ted Talk by him "How to Grow Your Own Fresh Air"
www.ted.com...
"healthiest building in New Delhi"


I have the bedroom plant for night oxygen, and two pothos and dracenea for clearing volatile chemicals.
Areca palms are a hassle and are $80 a piece in Canada.

The same air quality can be achieved for cheaper and using less space with an aquarium.
Honestly the aquarium is on right now, and I feel like I'm getting high on oxygen.
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posted on Jan, 11 2011 @ 03:33 PM
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posted on Jan, 11 2011 @ 04:37 PM
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Thanks for the response, and good luck with your air purification


Btw, the "Toxic Skies" movie is just that, a movie, and it's not banned.

Whats the best way to sell something, especially to a paranoid demographic? Say that it's banned!

Besides, you can buy it on Amazon and watch it on youtube.


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posted on Jan, 11 2011 @ 07:38 PM
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All the negative comments aside, I think what you have here is really interesting. 'bout how much did you spend on the set up?

Even if people do not believe chemtrails, its always nice to have some added healthy living into your life.



posted on Jan, 11 2011 @ 07:49 PM
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Putting your face in a cat litter box sounds worse than chemtrails to me



posted on Jan, 11 2011 @ 07:52 PM
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Originally posted by crazydaisy
Putting your face in a cat litter box sounds worse than chemtrails to me


Well if thats the way you look at it, I'd agree. Though I don't see it happening quite like that....
But hey, at least with cat litter you can look on the bag and know what exactly your inhaling!



posted on Jan, 11 2011 @ 08:57 PM
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Originally posted by Kayzar
reply to post by lowki
 


Did meditation give you any other powers besides the uncanny ability to detect air quality?

of course, I have a thread on my various past lives, and plans for future.
abovetopsecret.com...


Here try this get a giant air tight bag and put it over your head with your O2 toy inside and see how well it works.


Actually my little brother tested that in a fishbowl planted aquarium for several months,
on a window sill for a school project last spring, studying eco-systems,
the snails and plants reproduced very effectively.


Originally posted by DeadStarState
I think what you have here is really interesting. 'bout how much did you spend on the set up?


well I got the aquarium from apartment lawn,
and the table for free from apartment donation.



its always nice to have some added healthy living into your life.

Agreed :-D *hugs*


Originally posted by DeadStarState

Originally posted by crazydaisy
Putting your face in a cat litter box sounds worse than chemtrails to me


Well if thats the way you look at it, I'd agree. Though I don't see it happening quite like that....
But hey, at least with cat litter you can look on the bag and know what exactly your inhaling!


Actually fresh cat litters are typically odorless,
unless it's those especially scented varieties, or pine.
in fact one of my cats really hated the smell of pine.
we switched to paper mulch.

The smell is actually typically ammonia from urine and hydrogen sulfide from feces.
The store-bought litters were doing nothing at all to convert or neutralize them.
store-bought litters are meant to absorb the smells and then be thrown away.
So store-bought filters tend to have smell,
is probably why you believe cat litter boxes smell.
Though they are still safer to smell than Chemtrails,
Colleen Thomas has information that says recent chemtrails
contain Phosgene a chemical weapon of mass destruction.


So while the apartment is fairly well sealed,
the plants and algae make sure there is sufficient oxygen.
The problem arose that the store-bought litter filled boxes still smelled in the closed-loop.
So I decided to to minimize the litter odours by following natures example.

In nature ammonia and sulphates can be converted with a soil layer.
here is an image of the inner workings of a deep-sand-bed.
note that to work effectively it must be acquired from nature
for it to have the required aerobic, anaerobic and anoxic micro-organisms.

note it refers to fish, as deep-sand-beds were originally discovered for use with salt-water fish.
I initially used the Deep-Sand-Bed for my freshwater aquarium.
After seeing how well it succeeded decided to use it with litter-box.

to do for the future is probably to add on an easily sift-able mulm layer,
so the cats could bury their poo more effectively,
currently I still have to throw it out daily.

Note that DSB's produce carbon-dioxide,
so it's best to have a planted-aquarium to uptake it.
The added carbon-dioxide allows the plants to have materials to grow from.

edit on 11/1/11 by lowki because: closed-loop eco-system


note that the planet we are on also has a closed-loop air-support system.
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posted on Jan, 11 2011 @ 09:28 PM
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My response is to the op saying


With the recent die-off of birds,
air-quality is of paramount importance.
The main unspoken culprit seems to be chemtrails.
Which are toxifying the air with their residues.


While the contraption is *neat* if say the government really did spray your area with a dangerous compound/chemical or some sort of toxic residue that could kill humans or animals the *neat* contraption wont do jack crap from it killing you... Don't give yourself some false sense of security....

I'm not banging the *contraption*

Better off buying gas masks..............

(I could of been a jerk and said: If you think that thing is doing jack crap for the air quality in your room here I got a fart for you to sniff.)
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posted on Jan, 11 2011 @ 10:15 PM
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Originally posted by MisterCrowley
My response is to the op saying


With the recent die-off of birds,
air-quality is of paramount importance.
The main unspoken culprit seems to be chemtrails.
Which are toxifying the air with their residues.



well if you're already affected by Phosgene CarbmonoxideDiChlorine Chemtrails,
Colleen Thomas recommends Codeine medications for Opiates.
However there are safer and more easily attainable substances,
opiates can be attained from poppy-seeds from the spice-area or your local-grocery store.



I'm not banging the *contraption*

please feel free to intercourse with it and reproduce it in your own life.



Better off buying gas masks..............

gas masks are a good idea for going outdoors.
thank you for providing a solution.

I'll get right one as soon as am able.
magic spell for attainment of gas mask.

however the filters are expendable,
though could be reloaded with wood charcoal conceivably,
so it's possible to make them sustainable.

They are using chlorine gas which burns the lungs.
What if they use mustard gas which can burn the skin?
Sure you could wear a full body suit outdoors,

However how about indoors?
Perhaps you'd like to see the face of your partner,
and also have a safe place where you can breathe and eat at the same time.
Also what about your pets or children?
What is someone asphyxiates from the difficulty breathing through the filter at night?

It's best to have a clean environment indoors,
where you can safely live, breathe, eat, drink, reproduce.

Imagine how attractive you'll be to a potential mate,
when you tell them that you have a clean-air nest available.

We thought our rabbit was a male,
but she gave birth today to a healthy batch of 5 bunnies.
The whole time she was pregnant we had the air-support system.

magic spell for attainment of aquarium.
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posted on Jan, 11 2011 @ 10:59 PM
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The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.



Originally posted by lowki
Colleen Thomas has information that says recent chemtrails
contain Phosgene a chemical weapon of mass destruction.

Colleen Thomas is in far more danger from her exposure to hair bleach and silicone then anything coming out of an aircraft at 30K feet above her head. Take it from the number of members here who work in both meteorology and aviation, there is no such thing as chemtrails.

As to cat litter, I don’t suggest breathing that either as the fine particulate dust has a potential to do damage to your lungs long term. Same as sandstone, asbestos, cement mixes and mortars, and any other course fine dust.

Edit to add:
It is also not a good idea to over weatherproof your house to the point of stopping air circulation. While that might sound safe and energy efficient, you want a certain amount of outside air exchange. If you stopped all outside air exchange, you better have scrubbers set up in your house to eliminate bad gasses that will build up and can be fatal. Including Radon gas, Co from gas appliances, Co2, and Methane from sewage lines, garbage and human waste, as well as other gases. In normal houses these gases travel into the ceiling and are eliminated through ridge vents, soffits, and vent fans as well as the air conditioning and heating systems. Even in normal houses, the exchange of these gasses can be too limited and additional exterior circulation equipment has to be added to the house to ensure it is efficiently vented.



As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.
edit on 1/11/2011 by defcon5 because: (no reason given)



posted on Jan, 12 2011 @ 08:23 AM
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Originally posted by DeadStarState
I think what you have here is really interesting. 'bout how much did you spend on the set up?


the aquarium, table, dirt, plants, and fan I got for free.

my aerator cost me $32 but it's twice the power I need,
my LED grow lights cost about $130.
the power-bar with timer was $50.

so that's about $212

I had also bought a heater and canister water-filter,
but turned out they were superfluous,
and I just keep them off.


Originally posted by defcon5
The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.



Originally posted by lowki
Colleen Thomas has information that says recent chemtrails
contain Phosgene a chemical weapon of mass destruction.

Colleen Thomas is in far more danger from her exposure to hair bleach and silicone then anything coming out of an aircraft at 30K feet above her head. Take it from the number of members here who work in both meteorology and aviation, there is no such thing as chemtrails.

You didn't cite your sources.
Also meteoroligists and aviation specialists aren't qualified for chemtrail analysis.
Meteorologists study barometric pressure and cloud formation.
Aviation specialists typically see things from a planes view,
so if it's good for the plane, it must be okay for people.

More qualified people would be ecologists, chemists, biologists
and other people that take air, water samples and test their contents and effects.

I'm also personally quite skeptical,
since I've seen chemtrails as distinct from contrails with my own eyes.
and recently the rain-water has changed color from a clear to murky.
that may be cause my buckets weren't as clean as before,
though usually particles tend to settle after a few days.

I also had a sore throat after going outside yesterday,
though admittedly it was somewhat cold being winter and all.
however typically I get runny nose from it being cold and my throat is fine.

Anyhow, there are plenty of noxious fumes from the nearby roads and highways.
All the rainwater has an oily film that forms on the top.

Also have a chemist friend who had hair-analysis done and found to have many times the recommended levels of barium. which is one of the chemicals reportedly used in chemtrails. He was really perplexed how he could have been contaminated, since he worked with plastics and now with computers, which don't use such toxic atoms.

here is a video citing particle analysis with high barium of a hepa-filter after a month:


Here is a Canadian chemtrail video,
just to show that even up here in Canada we are affected.


Demonstrating the world-wide application of chemtrails,
here is video from Australia with particle analysis,
finding many toxic levels of metals, such arsenic.




As to cat litter, I don’t suggest breathing that either as the fine particulate dust has a potential to do damage to your lungs long term. Same as sandstone, asbestos, cement mixes and mortars, and any other course fine dust.

you're referring to commercial dry clay varieties.

deep-sand-bed are wet, and top layer is sand or mulm, which is coarse and large enough to stay on the ground.



Edit to add:
It is also not a good idea to over weatherproof your house to the point of stopping air circulation. While that might sound safe and energy efficient, you want a certain amount of outside air exchange. If you stopped all outside air exchange, you better have scrubbers set up in your house to eliminate bad gasses that will build up and can be fatal. Including Radon gas, Co from gas appliances, Co2, and Methane from sewage lines, garbage and human waste, as well as other gases.

yes, that's the whole point of the aquarium.
it's much more effective than commercial throw-away filters especially on the long term.
Consider how natures methods have had billions of years of testing versus decades for recent "scrubbers".

got a commercial air-cleaner a few years back,
by the time the filter needed to be changed,
the company changed the shape of it's models,
and discontinued the production of the old-style filters.
this is standard commercial practice in throw-away economies.

nowadays if I try to turn on the air-cleaner, my eyes get all watery and I start sneezing,
it actually just moves dust around it seems.
with the aquarium the water latches on to dust-particles and uses them as nutrients.



In normal houses these gases travel into the ceiling and are eliminated through ridge vents, soffits, and vent fans as well as the air conditioning and heating systems. Even in normal houses, the exchange of these gasses can be too limited and additional exterior circulation equipment has to be added to the house to ensure it is efficiently vented.


As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.
edit on 1/11/2011 by defcon5 because: (no reason given)

well I'm allergic to and find it hard to breathe many city fumes.
I much prefer forests, gardens and the like,
as the air quality is much superior.
edit on 12/1/11 by lowki because: defcon5 reply
edit on 12/1/11 by lowki because: oily rain water
edit on 12/1/11 by lowki because: chem trail vids



posted on Jan, 12 2011 @ 09:19 AM
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If you fill your apartment with just normal plants you will get the same effect. They will filter the air for you naturally. Rainforest plants work best. But you need high humidity.
But this whole chemtrail thing is bogus. As a former Avionics tech i can tell you that there is nothing out of the ordinary being sprayed into the atmosphere. The chemtrails as people call them are just water vapor condensing on partials coming out of the exhaust. It’s a normal phenomenon and I have seen it up close while flying in formation with my own eyes.
If someone shows me absolute proof of chemtrails then I will believe. But from all my years working on all types of aircraft I can say that i have seen nothing of the sort.





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