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Originally posted by maybereal11
In examining the rapid decline of this person's faculties...an inability to even compose coherent or internally consistent thoughts or ideas...I have to imagine that there was some profound breakdown of his mental capacity from a biological perspective. His friends didn't say he was "out there" as much as they said he stopped making sense altogether. He seemed to feel that "grammer" was a mind control method and even in articulating that theorey he was unable to communicate coherent sentences or thoughts.
In this context I agree...He wasn't a healthy individual driven to the edge who committed some act at a breaking point. He seems to have lost all rationality at a fundemtal biological level. It wasn't movies or outside influences that drove him to this in some psychologically vulnerable moment...it was a rapid and profound internal decay of his faculties IMO. At that stage he was just walking tragedy waiting to touch down.
Originally posted by MMPI2
Originally posted by 27jd
reply to post by MMPI2
Proven wrong? You said he was a democrat, and said I was wrong when I said he was a registered independent. I proved that he was in fact a registered independent, on paper, and you still say I'm wrong, and that he's a democrat, and cite a classmate, and political leanings of his family as your proof? Okay. So, ones political leanings automatically align with that of people in their families? I wasn't aware of that. And again, he could have been left leaning on some issues, as we all are, that doesn't mean he leans one way or the other in general. Also, I was under the impression he didn't talk much to his classmates, he either blurted out random angry stuff, or was dead quiet, which was why they were all scared of him.
Sorry, pal. Kindly, you need to go do some more reading - and thinking.
If I write on a piece of paper that I am Santa Claus and can magically float down chimneys, does that make it true?
Actions will always speak louder than words...especially words written in most likely a perfunctory manner on a standardized government form. Loughner acted, thought and spoke like a democrat according to a woman who knew him. His family is a democrat family. He corresponded on paper and in person somewhat frequently with a democratic representative and saved the return correspondence from her office.
These actions speak much louder than him scribbling a few meaningless words on a piece of paper.
Originally posted by DeusVult
I personally would like to see some links to the evidence that Mr. Loughner underwent a sudden, profound shift in cognition or intellectual functioning.
Loughner's Meltdown Began in Adulthood, Those Near Him Say
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"I don't recall anything of any significance with that individual," Faidley said, other than that he was involved in the school band program.
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As for Loughner's descent, his problems seem to have started to mount after he dropped out of Mountain View High School in 2006. It's unclear whether his behavior seriously startled anyone in the years immediately following, but after attending a local transitional school and then enrolling in Pima Community College, his classmates and his professors noticed something was wrong with Loughner.
Last year may have been a breaking point.
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"I think he slowly descended in a psychotic break. Something in him snapped. He wasn't always like this," she wrote.
Originally posted by Echtelion
Are we screwed as ATS members, now that ATS moderators might hand over any data they have on our posting history? Perhaps, perhaps not...
Originally posted by yeahright
Originally posted by Echtelion
Are we screwed as ATS members, now that ATS moderators might hand over any data they have on our posting history? Perhaps, perhaps not...
Uh... anyone can see anyone's posting history here. It's a public forum, and it's the reason people post. If there's something you don't want to be seen or read, don't post it here. That would just be silly.
Originally posted by Echtelion
Originally posted by yeahright
Originally posted by Echtelion
Are we screwed as ATS members, now that ATS moderators might hand over any data they have on our posting history? Perhaps, perhaps not...
Uh... anyone can see anyone's posting history here. It's a public forum, and it's the reason people post. If there's something you don't want to be seen or read, don't post it here. That would just be silly.
Sure!
But IP addresses, home addresses, phone numbers and names... this is where moderators have a privileged access, haven't they?
Originally posted by maybereal11
I imagine
Originally posted by fianna
i cannot go along with the idea that he was mentally ill based on the fact that some people have said it, he may have other reasons.
Originally posted by yeahright
reply to post by Echtelion
We don't have access to personally identifying information unless someone shares it, and I'm not aware of where that's happened or why it would. No one's ever directly given me any personal information, outside of a couple of staff members I've communicated with, and I've never asked.
Originally posted by yeahright
Originally posted by maybereal11
I imagine
Personally, I don't know any more than you do about what the government is or isn't doing. Speculation runs rampant. I don't worry too much about it.