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A look inside the mind of erad3 (most-likely Jared Loughner)

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posted on Jan, 10 2011 @ 05:22 PM
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It's rarely that i post on these boards but I've been following on-going discussions for the past 2 years on this website and have even gathered a large sum of people from my school to participate in your boards.(We would get to school every day and talk about new topics that have been posted here on ATS by other members, it was our coffee&breakfast club haha) Anyways, back on-topic, what happened with the Arizona shootings. Let's face it, it's a devastation how it happened and the reasons are yet unknown and I personally believe that we will never know the REAL reasoning of Jared's massacre. I don't think the media will reveal everything. (Don't forget, if they reveal too much, a political party might be put to blame)

What I want to comment on is the current global political parties all around the world. What I find sad is that someones beliefs, someones views and choices about different opinions can bring so much anger and violence. Who are WE, people, to be separated by political parties just because me and my neighbor like a different congressman. Does that give us reasons to kill each other? While government officials count their cash, argue their opinions and support anything that their committee tells them to do, tons of people are hating each other just because their party leaders will do anything to brainwash people into believing the same things they do.

The result? Arizona shootings. America has been a corrupted country since it's existence and you can thank your older presidents for such blames. You can also thank Sarah Palin for all of this. What type of politician who almost ran for president can have a reality show without losing his/her credibility in seriousness to run the office?

Do you SERIOUSLY expect anyone to take Palin serious after she has sold her ''soul'' to the media. Doing anything she can to be in the spotlight. And her daughters? ranting homophobic rants on facebook and yet nothing is done to them, however if someone else would have made those statements, the Palin family would have taken it differently.

Anyways, I don't believe in god (personal reasons) however, I still keep the victims and their families closest to my heart and thought and am very saddened that this happened. And it's just a coincidence that Jared was a member of ATS. I know, he ain't the first one, neither will he be the last member from ATS to go over the law, BUT, we could say that same thing to the craigslist killer (who was maybe visiting reddit) or other serial killers who visited plenty of discussion boards.

Don't jump on the ''He is what they are'' band-wagon. If Jared was a member of ATS, that doesn't mean all ATS members are the same. As you have seen, and if this site gets mainstream coverage, they will also see that in erad3's topics and posts, all other ATS members have been telling him that he was out of the ordinary, and even someone told him to seek help before he hurts himself or someone else(irony at it's best) I fully support ATS because you people have a mind that you rarely can find in front of you. For the rare posts I have made, I hope this one was contributed nicely.




posted on Jan, 10 2011 @ 05:28 PM
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This whole ordeal is truly sad and tragic and horrific on many levels, that I can agree with entirely.

But as an active member of ATS I do not feel any more responsible for the actions of this deranged lunatic any more than I feel responsible for the actions of Mark David Chapman because we both happenned to like The Beetles.


This person was sick, clearly mentally ill, and as such his actions were irrational and unpredictible. If anyone should be blamed here, it should be his parents and the local authorities and school personnel who knew that this kid was an unstable, ticking time bomb, and yet managed to do nothing to prevent this lunatic from harming those around him.

This is most certainly a tragic and terrible event, but noone here at ATS should shoulder any of the blame for the actions of one lone psychopath, who in reality wasn't even known by most and ridiculed by the few who encountered him.
edit on 1/10/11 by BlackOps719 because: (no reason given)



posted on Jan, 10 2011 @ 05:30 PM
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I think the thing to remember is that we often do not know who we are responding to in these posts. The deranged poster who appears on the ragged edge, might just be a deranged poster on the ragged edge. Try to find something positive to say. Give at least a crumb of humanitarian respect, no matter how out there the idea might be.

It is a conspiracy website, and we are here to explore the fringe. Is there any surprise that someone like Jared posted here for awhile. Who knows, if he found a friend here, this tragedy in AZ might not have happened.



posted on Jan, 10 2011 @ 05:32 PM
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I think his posts are fake - I get spam all of the time that seems nonsensical because it was generated by chat bots, occasionally it's rectified if I respond to something more coherent. Erad3 would fail the Turing test.

Either that or some form of mental problem or malfunctioned mental programming is at work here. But off the cuff I would say it was faked.

How he got access to a gun with such an obvious mental handicap is an issue
edit on 10-1-2011 by circuitsports because: (no reason given)



posted on Jan, 10 2011 @ 05:34 PM
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I think that this website further informs the discussion here:

market-ticker.org...

and here:

thechollajumps.wordpress.com...

There is more than a little evidence to suggest that the Sheriff in Pima county was aware of this Jared guy's shennanigans, had been in receipt of multiple complaints, but had soft-peddled their containment of him because Jared's mommy is (was) a member of the county heavily democrat-leaning political structure.


Jared Loughner has been making death threats by phone to many people in Pima County including staff of Pima Community College, radio personalities and local bloggers. When Pima County Sheriff’s Office was informed, his deputies assured the victims that he was being well managed by the mental health system. It was also suggested that further pressing of charges would be unnecessary and probably cause more problems than it solved as Jared Loughner has a family member that works for Pima County. Amy Loughner is a Natural Resource specialist for the Pima County Parks and Recreation.


No doubt, the Sheriff's recent protestations about "hate speech" is designed to deflect blame from him and his office, especially what with the chief law enforcement officer in the county ignoring rampant substance use, setting up satanic shrines in a public park, and calling in death threats to people.





posted on Jan, 10 2011 @ 05:38 PM
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SO and ATS staff,
Good call. While no one can guess what another person will do, we as a community should not be blamed in any way. My heart goes out to the families of those lost in this tragedy as well as my hopes that the congress woman will recover well.



posted on Jan, 10 2011 @ 05:41 PM
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Look deep down within your own soul, and ask yourself if this is the face of a rational, reasonable, sane individual

If someone asked me to sit down and draw a picture of the word "crazy" this might just be it


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posted on Jan, 10 2011 @ 05:44 PM
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Here is an enlightening intellectual excercise...

Imagine the AZ shootings had not happened yet.

It is 1 week ago.

Stay with me...a time traveller from the future delivers the brief message to ATS via email..."One of your members will shoot a politician and kill several others in one weeks time."

Now...scrolling through all of the postings and members looking for potential suspects...where would you start? The political madness forum? Survival?...Who would have looked in religion? or UFOs? etc....who would have pegged erad3 as a suspect?

You might have pegged him for mentally ill...but in the politically angry crowd?...I would have listed dozens of members as potential suspects...and I would have been wrong ...and erad3 wouldn't have even been on the list.

It's a good reminder about preconceptions and false impressions via an internet forum.



posted on Jan, 10 2011 @ 05:44 PM
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There is no way that anyone on ATS could of known what this guy would of done as his posts really do not show any *warning signs*.
I hope when *jared* is executed they provide a live feed for everyone to watch...



posted on Jan, 10 2011 @ 05:46 PM
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Don't know if this was posted already, but a (former) member of ATS actually advised erad3 to seek medical care.




I think youre frankly schizophrenic, and no that's not an amateur opinion and not intended as an uninformed or insulting remark, you clearly make no sense and are unable to communicate. I really do care. Seek help before you hurt yourself or others or start taking your medications again, please.


Here is the thread:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Creepy.



posted on Jan, 10 2011 @ 05:48 PM
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I personally would like to think there is no 'outsiders' here at ATS.

Do I believe we could have done something?

No...

But, I do believe that it could have been any of us, commiting any grusome act.

What he did was obviously unrational, however we must not sit here and address him as a monster.

Clearly his ducks aren't in a row (I don't think he knows where any o f his ducks are), so lets seperate our selves from the horrifying events that unfolded this weekend and begin to analyze the situation.

Like I said it could have been any of us. As disturbed or corrupt as he might be, he brought up valid points in his posts in his videos and posts. Just like the majority of us, he was upset with not just what was going on in his country but all over the globe.

He shouted and shouted and it really seemed like he was met with aggresion and hostility (cyberly speaking).
To be completly honest. I can't believe he didnt take his own life as that is usually how these situations go down.

Let us all remember, the deaths and tragedy. But let us not forget the questions we do not have answers for.

Let us not forget, we live in a global puppet show.

You can call Jared a monster all you want. If Jared is a monster, then the US and world powers are demons who feed on monsters and much more guilty than this poor guy.

I love how sensationalized this story is, yet 40+ people could die in Afgan from a bomb that was made by a man who seeked revenge on our nations and no body would say a damn word!!!!!

You think a politician getting a shot in the face is bad?

Why don't you watch the video that came from wikileaks....
Where we can see clearly that we are no different than the 'terrorists'

There is video of a man in a us military copter on the virge of a heart attack, because he just can't wait to kill these 'hostiles'.

NOT ONCE! Did I see any one call him a monster.

Well I say F your double standards people.

He is obviously a troubled individual.

The guy was born only a year before me.

And I can personally see my self possibly getting along with this guy.
Hell we are both college students.

If I could, I would love to have a conversation with him (I'm in a journalism program)

I will close on a lighter point.

I could not get over the CNN report when they got 'confirmation' from the FBI and other sources that verified that he was not a terrorist or involved in any terrorist activities...

I think that statement proves his point.

Money is worth money because someone said it is worth something.

The date is the date because someone said it was this date.

Someone is a terrorist because someone called someone a terrorist.

Personally I don't see much between his acts and those of a suicide bomber ( I know it sounds like I am contradicting my self).

What because he was american and white, he is not a terrorist?

Yet the guy who flew the plane into the IRS building was....

They both commited their actions because of their passion for injustice.

Enough said.


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posted on Jan, 10 2011 @ 05:53 PM
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Originally posted by BlackOps719

Look deep down within your own soul, and ask yourself if this is the face of a rational, reasonable, sane individual



Please. If you showed me that picture any other day I'd just...meh.

The kick off news story tonight on NBC had host Brian Williams asking, quite possibly, the stupidest questions I have ever heard. The comment was made that he had a shaved head....so ? What exactly is that supposed to imply. People here are delusional if they honestly believe that this type of crime can be prevented, it cannot, period. People are a roll of the dice and can snap at any time we have been witness to this time and time again. Attempting to decipher internet posts and draw whimsical conclusions is a joke. I have absolutely zero confidence that the so called science of psychiatry or psychology can do any good, it is a farce at best.

There will be more, prove me wrong.

brill



posted on Jan, 10 2011 @ 05:55 PM
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This would be the video I wanted to share with you.

edit on 10-1-2011 by Ventessa because: Figured this embed thingy out!!!! Woot!



posted on Jan, 10 2011 @ 05:55 PM
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Free accurate Medical advice is hard to come by.

Wow, that is precisely pinning the pathology on the psychopath.





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posted on Jan, 10 2011 @ 05:58 PM
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I dont know, maybe it is because I know now what I know about who the person in that pic is and what he has done, but to me he just appears to be completely insane.

And it has zero to do with his haircut, even I have a shaved head 9 months out of the year.

It's the eyes. Just wide and staring with that blank look of mania. Crazy.

Then again maybe you are right and I am only projecting. That picture just gave me the creeps in an awful way.



posted on Jan, 10 2011 @ 06:06 PM
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Originally posted by BlackOps719
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I dont know, maybe it is because I know now what I know about who the person in that pic is and what he has done, but to me he just appears to be completely insane.

And it has zero to do with his haircut, even I have a shaved head 9 months out of the year.

It's the eyes. Just wide and staring with that blank look of mania. Crazy.

Then again maybe you are right and I am only projecting. That picture just gave me the creeps in an awful way.


Agreed the guy looks like a wiener but the point is 24 hours prior to that had the same guy in a grocery line been standing there staring at you or I nothing would have happened, and you most likely wouldn't have thought much of it. Personally I think we are all mentally ill, its just that the strong majority of us are able to conceal it well for day to day purposes.

brill



posted on Jan, 10 2011 @ 06:07 PM
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Originally posted by BlackOps719
Look deep down within your own soul, and ask yourself if this is the face of a rational, reasonable, sane individual

If someone asked me to sit down and draw a picture of the word "crazy" this might just be it


edit on 1/10/11 by BlackOps719 because: (no reason given)


that guy definitively looks like he was taken out of the oven too soon..



posted on Jan, 10 2011 @ 06:12 PM
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Jess Weise, the other ATS shooter was also schizophrenic and members pointed that out at the time. But this is now the second known member of ATS to go on a shooting spear and kill people. I think the question has to be asked are sites like ATS a breeding zone for these types of mentally disturbed people. As part of the rules of this website you cannot call people out on their crazy posts. More than half the posts I read on ATS seem like they are written by insane people, but you can't say that because it will get YOU banned.


Jess Weise
en.wikipedia.org...



posted on Jan, 10 2011 @ 06:12 PM
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More like dead eyes. It looks like there is nothing left inside.

On a lighter note, he sort of resembles Uncle Fester from the Addams Family. Sorry, just an observation.



posted on Jan, 10 2011 @ 06:16 PM
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Jared indeed has many issues that where never dealt with at all, or enough, what he did was completely WRONG, and i feel so bad for all the victims, With that said i grew up with a Mother who had many Mental issues, and at an early age i often wondered why The Department of Social Heath Services did nothing but give my Mother more and more Medication? its a horrible thing to say but Some people are just not fit live with the Public, When it comes right down to it some people are just born with a brain that is not Wired correctly.

If i knew at age five that my Mother was off a lil bit how do people like Jared Lee Loughner slip through the cracks of this Very Flawed System?
Ive have this conversation with alot of people, and ive come to this answer, We need to lock up the Mentally unstable. (But you say they have Civil Rights?) Really? why so? if your Mentally Unstable, then your outlook on life is different, and you yourself view everything thru scewed thought/eyes, therefore Civil Rights need not apply.........


Just my opinion, but i keep seeing this same cycle of these Unstable people commiting these horrible acts on Innocent people all the time



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