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We are already in a police state. Just released from jail in NYC. HEAR ME OUT!

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posted on Jan, 10 2011 @ 11:44 AM
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Originally posted by tonypazzohome
reply to post by GirlGenius
 


brooklyn is now filled with independent thinkers and intellectuals. its a great place to live -


Brooklyn has always been filled with independent thinkers and intellectuals. I spent my first 31 years there and would not trade that for the world ... but it's not safe and that is getting worse. If there is a food crisis (and there will be) it will be among the worst places to be.




posted on Jan, 10 2011 @ 11:46 AM
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Originally posted by tonypazzohome
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brooklyn is now filled with independent thinkers and intellectuals. its a great place to live -


Too true. Most times it depends on who you CHOOSE to associate with and what you do personally that dictates what grief you experience in your city. Sure there is that segment that I was speaking of earlier that deserves much more attention than this nonsense the OP is speaking of.. but for the most part, we can still choose how much we personally want to be harassed.. and that is usually dictated by our own actions and who we associate with. I doubt that if OP was visiting with intellectuals he'd have been detained. If he was walking around with drugs and paraphenalia.. and then gets mouthy with the cops.. he has made his choice.



posted on Jan, 10 2011 @ 11:46 AM
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Anyways this cop makes me get naked after searching all my garments and I had to bend over and squat.


Why do you think they had him squat?

Furthermore, in the OP statements:



Of course they did charge me with intent to sell and there is no evidence of the paraphernalia


What was that you were saying?



posted on Jan, 10 2011 @ 11:47 AM
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If the poor was well educated then there would be no one to do the crappy jobs.

As for the Op, Its no better here in the UK. I was arrested once for what imo was self defence, and I was left in a cell from early hours of friday morning until the following monday morning, when I was bailed from court. The hardest thing to handle was not having a cig all that time, that was worse than not having fresh air or only seening the sun light through a tiny distorted glass window.

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posted on Jan, 10 2011 @ 11:51 AM
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you claim to work with the police, as a concerened citizen, then you claim that the OP is guilty, and deserves what he got.............??

what?? the end justifies the means????

do the officers have the right to act above the law???



posted on Jan, 10 2011 @ 11:53 AM
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Originally posted by GirlGenius

Originally posted by tonypazzohome
reply to post by GirlGenius
 


brooklyn is now filled with independent thinkers and intellectuals. its a great place to live -


Brooklyn has always been filled with independent thinkers and intellectuals. I spent my first 31 years there and would not trade that for the world ... but it's not safe and that is getting worse. If there is a food crisis (and there will be) it will be among the worst places to be.



Ahhh now thats a different ball of wax. You are very correct in your last sentence. Same in my area.. we are already seeing some of the effects of the economy and social programs here going bankrupt. REAL effects and effects that the criminals are blaming on the economy.

Some will use ANY excuse though. They are taking what they want from whomever they want. SOme even dare to have their family contact our site and complain about it citing the welfare program didnt pay enough ( in one case) so the son HAD to take the AK to rob the person of their big screen to sell for food.
No matter the guy had a record a mile long that our prosecuting atty keeps dropping or downing charges on. The system kicks the criminals back into our town and we keep having to arrest them.. which does no good. Id bet that the jail OP was in is the exact same revolving door that we have at our county jail. They cut loose 30 individuals a day.. into a residential neighborhood that surrounds the facility. If Brooklyn is like this.. you can bet that emboldened criminals will turn that place into some post apocalyptic waste land with only the smallest of excuses.. a HINT of a food crisis.

If there is anything to gripe about, it should be the apathy of the average citizen when it comes to crime UNLESS its being done to them.



posted on Jan, 10 2011 @ 11:55 AM
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excellent advice... star for you

you sound like an attorney!!



posted on Jan, 10 2011 @ 11:57 AM
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I missed that....The Op is either lying, was high at the time they "arrested" him and forgot they read him his rights, or is one lucky defendant.

His case will be dismissed....

Does that sound plausible? Would the cops throw away the evidence?

.....hey Op.....people like me fund Legal aid through our license dues we pay each year.



posted on Jan, 10 2011 @ 12:00 PM
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Just let me point out that if someone is charged with a crime, then obviously a punishment must be administered. But, my argument throughout this thread has been in regards to the officers actions. But, in all honesty, we all know that there are two sides to every story. I pointed out that the miranda rights must be read, or there is no case, and it would be thrown out.

I also addressed the officers actions because we are seeing only a daily basis LEA's being given " free reign". And that doesn't set well with me.



posted on Jan, 10 2011 @ 12:02 PM
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Originally posted by Advantage
reply to post by Whereweheaded
 





Iris scanners and DNA? Dont get arrested or detained.. youll have no problems.


Really??? you would like us to believe that you are a citizens advocate??????

if every arrest is justified, why do we have courts, why bother with defense attorneys???

if you are arrested you must be guilty????

OTFLMAO................you are an advocate alright, but, it's certainly notfor us citizens....



posted on Jan, 10 2011 @ 12:08 PM
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Originally posted by ParkerCramer
reply to post by Advantage
 


you claim to work with the police, as a concerened citizen, then you claim that the OP is guilty, and deserves what he got.............??

what?? the end justifies the means????

do the officers have the right to act above the law???


You can do it too.. put your money and time where your mouth is and you can see it as clearly as I do. There are a group of us that live here right next to ESL. Im in the 618.. and I dont like it any more than our neighbors who are involved in this thing we started. I almost got arrested myself 3 yrs ago when I went berzerko at a city meeting... thats where all of this came from and I learned exactly who is who and what is legal and what is not.. and WHO deserves our time and effort. We were transfered here and I live in such a war zone that my kids have experienced racial violence for the first time and I was attacked at a grocery store and the police didnt bother to take a report. I CLAIM Im pissed off with the cops and the crime. I just happen to be doing something about it rather than whining on a message board. Have some balls and dont worry about if the cops like you or not. I dont. They dont like me.. trust me.. I tell the truth and keep impartial. If they screw up every knew station knows about it and every citizen that cares to know can read it all in detail. If you watch them yu will see who is and is not deserving of support and who needs to be nailed to the wall for using their power as a cop for some ego issue or whatever. It is childish to believe that ALL cops are bad. Thats more divisional BS. You have a mind right? FIgure it all out for yourself.

OP already admitted he was guilty. No mystery there. The police have standard op procedure.. and OP didnt like it. To solve that.. dont walk around with enough pot to be charged with intent to distribute and be dumb enough to act stupid when you are detained. MOST LE are sick of the whole pot thing... the so-called war on drugs. Keep buying into the BS yourself though.. OP isnt innocent by his own admission. There were no "means" to justify any "ends" in this OP. The officers did not act above the law even by the OPs descriptions. OP is pissed off that he didnt walk when he was caught carrying around a quantity... are we to believe that the police were psychics and somehow magically knew that he had drugs concealed on his person? Did they randomly choose OP to harass?? I find that pretty absurd. I cant get the cops out of QT drinking coffee around here to bust a drug dealer.. much less get them to harass citizens constantly. OP is not telling you the whole story. What was he doing that prompted the police to search him.. and obviously they found what they were looking for? I do this all week long.. sorting through BS inconsistent stories by criminals and weeding them out to expose the true violations if rights. This kind of BS in this OP makes me cringe..



posted on Jan, 10 2011 @ 12:10 PM
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Originally posted by Whereweheaded
reply to post by Res Ipsa
 


Just let me point out that if someone is charged with a crime, then obviously a punishment must be administered. But, my argument throughout this thread has been in regards to the officers actions. But, in all honesty, we all know that there are two sides to every story. I pointed out that the miranda rights must be read, or there is no case, and it would be thrown out.

I also addressed the officers actions because we are seeing only a daily basis LEA's being given " free reign". And that doesn't set well with me.


...when we get into nit picking words we...(both of us) need to be careful....for example, you just wrote above..."if someone is charged with a crime, then obviously a punishment must be administered." I don't need to tell you what is so scary wrong with that do I?

...compared to my 1st hand inside experience with police and jails...what the OP experienced was a slice of criminal justice system heaven.

...I admit that I missed the part where the OP said he actually was charged with something...but the whole story has so many holes in it, it just doesn't ring true....

OP DO NOT...........reveal any more information about your case in this or any other thread! You have already admitted that you had paraphernalia and the cops threw it out....(make sure you advise your attorney about this thread you started)



posted on Jan, 10 2011 @ 12:12 PM
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I don't need to tell you what is so scary wrong with that do I?


With your logic, if someone is murdered there is something wrong with punishment for that action? Or did I mis-understand you?



posted on Jan, 10 2011 @ 12:15 PM
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you should not be punished if you are "charged" with a crime.....that is guilty unless proven innocent...
you need to be "convicted" in this great Country of ours.....not just "charged".....this ain't Sheria Law here.



posted on Jan, 10 2011 @ 12:17 PM
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Ok, so i did mis-understand. Yes I do agree one must face the charges in a court of law. But then again, the judiciary system is massively flawed as well. So we are screwed if we do and screwed if we don't.



posted on Jan, 10 2011 @ 12:19 PM
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Originally posted by ParkerCramer

Originally posted by Advantage
reply to post by Whereweheaded
 





Iris scanners and DNA? Dont get arrested or detained.. youll have no problems.


Really??? you would like us to believe that you are a citizens advocate??????

if every arrest is justified, why do we have courts, why bother with defense attorneys???

if you are arrested you must be guilty????

OTFLMAO................you are an advocate alright, but, it's certainly notfor us citizens....


I dont care what you believe. I dont advocate for citizens.. I weed through data, emails, phone information, etc. There are more people working with this than just me. The attys and states atty decide who needs an advocate. I never said that every arrest is justified.. far from it. I DID sya that if OP doesnt want his iris scanned.. dont get arrested with enough pot on him for a distributing charge. Pretty simple.

I started this org like some moron believing that police were just here to help us citizens.. and then saw that everything was so corrupt.. including the citizens.. that I could NOT be partial to one side or the other. You can post hysterical posts that are completely off base from anything I said, but the fact is that OP is no innocent and is undeserving of advocacy.

There is only so much to go around.. and he DID what he was detained for. He admits it. WHen you run across a mother who was shot in the face at a gas station in a bad part of town and a cop says "whats a white woman doing here".. and treats her like the criminal rather than looking for the shooter.. he just assumes she was there to buy drugs.. then you will see who is and is not deserving of any effort. Guy busted for admittedly carrying around a quantity of illegal drugs or this case? She was driving home with her kids in the car from work and stopped to get gas.. she gets shot and robbed. Then her kids get questioned, her car tossed because this stupid cop believes she is a drug buyer, and her shooter never looked for even when she is begging the cops to go look while she is in the hospital.. you will understand WHO needs the effort, what the corruption is really, and where you need to tackle these problems.



posted on Jan, 10 2011 @ 12:31 PM
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Originally posted by Whereweheaded
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Ok, so i did mis-understand. Yes I do agree one must face the charges in a court of law. But then again, the judiciary system is massively flawed as well. So we are screwed if we do and screwed if we don't.


You hit that nail on the head! LOL! We have a Chief thats a decent guy.. wants to control the crime. We have a prosecuting atty thats turning solid cases into nothing by refusing to prosecute. This is a HUGE problem in every city in every state.. lax prosecution on some things and over the top prosecution on others that arent deserving of that.

IE:
Kid gets shot in a drive by here in his front yard. 3 cars involved.. This is a 15 yr old who just had his birthday and was hanging out playing Bball in his driveway with neighbors. ONE person gets charged.. and he isnt the shooter. The driver that got charged and is in jail and a gang member.. his DAD who works for our city was in the passenger seat. None of the 3 other cars full of people get charged and it took an act of god to get the dad who worked for the city fired for is participation in gang action because the prosecutor refused to charge the dad. The one in jail who didnt shoot.. it was a backseat passenger who shot... retains an atty who requires a 50K retainer. WHen asked where he got the retainer he requested. .. he said "community donated funds". It was the gang who paid the retainer.. and these attys are taking gang money to defend the gang members.
Here's the corruption: the prosecutor KNOWS the driver wasnt the shooter. He will walk and the atty gets paid. NO justice for the dead kid or the kids family. No more charges involving this incident are in the works.

If anyone here thinks this crap isnt happening in their town, theyre crazy.



posted on Jan, 10 2011 @ 12:42 PM
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Originally posted by seeashrink
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Well, you seem to be around 26 or 27 years old and a fine upstanding young man.
So you got arrested...again, for possession of drugs. You ran your mouth to the cops and one decided to have a little fun with you. Obviously you can dish it out but can't take it in return. As far as the strip search, druggies...uh, that'ed be you...are always suit casing drugs into the jail to sell/trade. If you don't know what that means its putting drugs up your rear end...hence the squat and cough.
How dare there be laws in the land. How dare there be consequences for breaking those laws. To think that someone could be in trouble for violating someone else's private property (trespassing). And all those other petty crimes.
As far as you being too intelligent for the officers and them not understanding inflation, ect. Do you have any idea how many babbling druggies they had already listened to that day?
So you don't like us mean ol' stinkin cop pigs......well here's a thought....don't break the law.
You are so intelligent, then you know that drugs are illegal, you know there are consequences for breaking those laws. Whats the problem and who put you in the situatiion you were in?........YOU DID. Take your lumps, learn from your mistake, and clean up your act.
Seeashrink.



This is the difference between a police officer and a pig. A police officer will argue with the justness of a law and show human lenience and understanding in such situations. A pig will blindly follow the law simply because it's the law.

You must be dizzy from a life of circular reasoning



posted on Jan, 10 2011 @ 02:30 PM
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Originally posted by NadaCambia

Originally posted by seeashrink
reply to post by stigup
 


Well, you seem to be around 26 or 27 years old and a fine upstanding young man.
So you got arrested...again, for possession of drugs. You ran your mouth to the cops and one decided to have a little fun with you. Obviously you can dish it out but can't take it in return. As far as the strip search, druggies...uh, that'ed be you...are always suit casing drugs into the jail to sell/trade. If you don't know what that means its putting drugs up your rear end...hence the squat and cough.
How dare there be laws in the land. How dare there be consequences for breaking those laws. To think that someone could be in trouble for violating someone else's private property (trespassing). And all those other petty crimes.
As far as you being too intelligent for the officers and them not understanding inflation, ect. Do you have any idea how many babbling druggies they had already listened to that day?
So you don't like us mean ol' stinkin cop pigs......well here's a thought....don't break the law.
You are so intelligent, then you know that drugs are illegal, you know there are consequences for breaking those laws. Whats the problem and who put you in the situatiion you were in?........YOU DID. Take your lumps, learn from your mistake, and clean up your act.
Seeashrink.



This is the difference between a police officer and a pig. A police officer will argue with the justness of a law and show human lenience and understanding in such situations. A pig will blindly follow the law simply because it's the law.

This is the difference between education and the lack there of. In that I agree that there must be understanding of the totallity of the circumstances, we call that discretion and we use it everyday, but the law is still there.
Now personally, I believe that pot should be legal. That is why when I catch someone with a roach I let them off with a warning. Now, REGARDLESS of my opinion, the law is still the law and everyone knows the law about illegal substance. Everybody has an opinion of various laws, thats great, but you still have to obey whats on the books. If you have a problem with that, talk to your law makers and bust their chops, not mine.
Seeashink

You must be dizzy from a life of circular reasoning



posted on Jan, 10 2011 @ 02:43 PM
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Originally posted by seeashrink

Originally posted by NadaCambia

Originally posted by seeashrink
reply to post by stigup
 


Well, you seem to be around 26 or 27 years old and a fine upstanding young man.
So you got arrested...again, for possession of drugs. You ran your mouth to the cops and one decided to have a little fun with you. Obviously you can dish it out but can't take it in return. As far as the strip search, druggies...uh, that'ed be you...are always suit casing drugs into the jail to sell/trade. If you don't know what that means its putting drugs up your rear end...hence the squat and cough.
How dare there be laws in the land. How dare there be consequences for breaking those laws. To think that someone could be in trouble for violating someone else's private property (trespassing). And all those other petty crimes.
As far as you being too intelligent for the officers and them not understanding inflation, ect. Do you have any idea how many babbling druggies they had already listened to that day?
So you don't like us mean ol' stinkin cop pigs......well here's a thought....don't break the law.
You are so intelligent, then you know that drugs are illegal, you know there are consequences for breaking those laws. Whats the problem and who put you in the situatiion you were in?........YOU DID. Take your lumps, learn from your mistake, and clean up your act.
Seeashrink.



This is the difference between a police officer and a pig. A police officer will argue with the justness of a law and show human lenience and understanding in such situations. A pig will blindly follow the law simply because it's the law.

This is the difference between education and the lack there of. In that I agree that there must be understanding of the totallity of the circumstances, we call that discretion and we use it everyday, but the law is still there.
Now personally, I believe that pot should be legal. That is why when I catch someone with a roach I let them off with a warning. Now, REGARDLESS of my opinion, the law is still the law and everyone knows the law about illegal substance. Everybody has an opinion of various laws, thats great, but you still have to obey whats on the books. If you have a problem with that, talk to your law makers and bust their chops, not mine.
Seeashink

You must be dizzy from a life of circular reasoning


Shame they don't teach you how to properly quote in Education-Land.

People cannot change laws. It's okay to say go talk to the law makers. But the law makers don't listen. What happens is people protest en-mass and the law makers call in you guys, the Police, to disperse protests and incite violent reaction. Not to mention the massive propoganda war on pot. Most people support the 'War on Drugs'.

Marijuanna will never be legal until police officers take a stand and stop blindly following orders from the elite scum.

If law is the law, why are you letting kids off with warnings and not arresting them? I appreciate your stance, but you're contradicting yourself here. Is the law the law or not?



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