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AZ Shooting: Another Failure Of Psychics and Prophecy

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posted on Jan, 10 2011 @ 06:40 AM
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Well, here's yet another thread on to boob who felt it necessary to shoot up a political meet & greet. Everyone else is blaming political figures - I'll blame the failure of psychics. A massive story, reported everywhere now, discussed widely.

YET...

Not ONE single so-called "psychic" saw this coming or warned anyone about it.
Not ONE single so-called "prophecy" saw this coming or warned anyone about it.
Not ONE single so-called "prediction" from say, Nostradamus, saw this coming or warned anyone about it.

Yet, I'll predict that some time this year, Sylvia Browne (or some other celebrity "psychic") will appear on TV telling us all that she's communicating with the deceased victims.

I'd like the believers of psychics, predictions and prophecies to explain to us exactly why - if these alleged powers exist - why nobody with these alleged powers used them to divine this tragedy.


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posted on Jan, 10 2011 @ 06:51 AM
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I agree completely, but I think there's explaning to be done on both sides.

How can we account for the following paper: www.dbem.ws...



posted on Jan, 10 2011 @ 06:54 AM
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Originally posted by OnceReturned
I agree completely, but I think there's explaning to be done on both sides.

How can we account for the following paper: www.dbem.ws...


Daryl Bem is producing yet another in a long line of publications trying to legitimize mystical nonsense. How does Bem account for the complete lack of failure of precognition if any of his claims are correct?



posted on Jan, 10 2011 @ 07:01 AM
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Is it possible to predict insanity?



posted on Jan, 10 2011 @ 07:08 AM
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You might want to change the title of your thread, I believe you mean it's another failure of PSYCHICS, not PHYSICS. If I am mistaken in that assumption I apologize, just kinda a really big difference between the two.



posted on Jan, 10 2011 @ 07:16 AM
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You are talking about a soon to be peer reviewed scientific paper that is from a published academic and memeber of a world class university faculty.



posted on Jan, 10 2011 @ 07:28 AM
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Originally posted by Taliesien333
You might want to change the title of your thread, I believe you mean it's another failure of PSYCHICS, not PHYSICS. If I am mistaken in that assumption I apologize, just kinda a really big difference between the two.


Hahaha!
Ty, and corrected!



posted on Jan, 10 2011 @ 07:32 AM
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Originally posted by tiger5

You are talking about a soon to be peer reviewed scientific paper that is from a published academic and memeber of a world class university faculty.


If you've read it, or any of the synopses of it in the press, it's pretty clear to see exactly where the problems in his research are. I'm certain it was a fun study though - getting to play with all those porno pictures.



posted on Jan, 10 2011 @ 07:39 AM
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they dont like logic and common sense on here so im guessing this wont be a popular thread. the critical thinkers are few and far between. but i commend you for your lateral thinking. well done. star for you.



posted on Jan, 10 2011 @ 07:50 AM
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Originally posted by tim3lord
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they dont like logic and common sense on here so im guessing this wont be a popular thread. the critical thinkers are few and far between. but i commend you for your lateral thinking. well done. star for you.


Thank you. But there are many on this board who not only believe in psychics but claim to be one. I feel they owe it to everyone to explain their apparent failure in precognizing this massive tragedy.



posted on Jan, 10 2011 @ 08:09 AM
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Daryl Bem is producing yet another in a long line of publications trying to legitimize mystical nonsense. How does Bem account for the complete lack of failure of precognition if any of his claims are correct?


I think the problem still stands. Presumably he's not lying about his result, in which case the data exists and should be accounted for. I've read the paper, and I'll be interested to see how the results change as the data set grows. If you can't explain the data, then we have a mystery on our hands. The believers certianly ought to be working on your question, but the fact that you've identified a failed prediction does not help explain Bem's results. The results of his most recent paper identify a very small but consistent effect, 53% accuracy when chance predicts 50%. The fact that the effect persisted over such a large number of trials all but rules out random chance.

I'm not a pro-magic person, but I'm not prepared to dismiss evidence that does not have a satisfactory explanation. If our science is the right science, then it should be equiped to deal with everything. If it can't deal with wierd stuff then there's still work to be done.



posted on Jan, 10 2011 @ 08:36 AM
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Originally posted by OnceReturned
The results of his most recent paper identify a very small but consistent effect, 53% accuracy when chance predicts 50%. The fact that the effect persisted over such a large number of trials all but rules out random chance.


Not necessarily. Random number generators will often produce strings of statistically significant numbers that would occur at rates slightly higher than could be predicted by chance. Having results this close to chance is telling. I would think 90% accuracy to be significant rather than 53%.

And oddly, his test amounts to an equivalent of predicting a coin toss. Why fiddle with computer porn when one could simply flip coins?



posted on Jan, 10 2011 @ 08:38 AM
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Originally posted by OnceReturned
I think the problem still stands.


I do too. And to return to the topic, exactly ZERO PERCENT predicted this tragedy. I find this a much more significant event than which side of the screen the porno image appears. How does Bem, or any of the alleged ATS psychics, reconcile this failure of precognition?



posted on Jan, 10 2011 @ 09:18 AM
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First, a couple of disclaimers. While I am open to the possibility of psychic phenomena and thusly to precognition, I have no reliable personal evidence to prove such and in no way, shape, or form state that they do or do not exist. Also, the comments I am about to make are in no way meant to diminish the tragedy that has occured or the pain and suffering of those affected. My heart goes out to them.

Having said that, you are making this out to seem as though this is a globally changing event. Horrible things happen everyday. Are you trying to say that if precognition exists, then it has to anticipate every unsavory event that is ever to occur or it immediately fails? As I said previously, I don't necessarily believe in precognition or prophecy, I just find fault with the logic you are imposing here.



posted on Jan, 10 2011 @ 09:27 AM
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Originally posted by Taliesien333
Having said that, you are making this out to seem as though this is a globally changing event. Horrible things happen everyday. Are you trying to say that if precognition exists, then it has to anticipate every unsavory event that is ever to occur or it immediately fails? As I said previously, I don't necessarily believe in precognition or prophecy, I just find fault with the logic you are imposing here.


That's an interesting point, though the logic isn't necessarily faulty. This was a significant event which is being widely discussed around the world. Many "psychics" employ themselves as crime solvers. Presumably someone with telepathic "powers" should have "seen" it coming. The same argument could be applied to even larger events, say, 9/11. Where were the psychics and Nostradamuses on these events?



posted on Jan, 10 2011 @ 09:33 AM
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Still just a theory, but because those with that level of perception could see a bigger picture at play www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Jan, 10 2011 @ 09:44 AM
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I don't quite understand how that post relates to this thread. Your post you linked seems to find legitimacy to the shooter's mind control suspicions.



posted on Jan, 10 2011 @ 10:03 AM
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This thread was about psychic predictions in relation to the case. Ok it may have been a little of topic from the angle you where looking at, but the predictions that Jared makes about the economy and it's future is one I support. As for the source of this prediction, I am leaning to an alien influence. If this alien knows about the future economy on Earth and is in contact with Jared, then this alien also knew / directed what Jared done.

It is still just a theory and in its early stage, but it looked relevant to this discussion.
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posted on Jan, 10 2011 @ 10:07 AM
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My read on the whole "53% prediction" thing was that it was somehow related to the study that was posted here a while back that showed people making decisions after they have already made them -- that the brain indicates a decision was made a split second before the person consciously made a choice. In this case, the "good feeling" of seeing a certain picture sometimes manifested itself in the brain before the picture arrived. In the case of the previous study (which I found to be highly unlikely, but seemed legit) I think that they were trying to imply some sort of time flexibility on a quantum level, which I suppose could apply here, as well.

Anyhoo, onto the OP. I don't really believe in prophecy, certainly not in the "here's 100 things that will happen in 2011" sense, where 95 of them don't happen, and the rest are either vague enough or iffy enough to qualify. And I don't believe in psychics telling a person's future, either. But I would guess that the response would be that this incident was minor enough to fail to merit the divination of a prophecy, and that psychics see the future of the specific person who is asking, so unless the Congresswoman or judge or someone was seeing such a practitioner, it wouldn't come up.

But, again, I think that those sorts of things are hooey anyway.

Good to see you again, TD, I hope that you have been well!
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posted on Jan, 10 2011 @ 10:20 AM
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Originally posted by kwakakev
This thread was about psychic predictions in relation to the case. Ok it may have been a little of topic from the angle you where looking at, but the predictions that Jared makes about the economy and it's future is one I support. As for the source of this prediction, I am leaning to an alien influence. If this alien knows about the future economy on Earth and is in contact with Jared, then this alien also knew / directed what Jared done.


Oh jeez. Aliens? Okay...

Why did alleged psychics not only not forsee the tragedy, but ALSO the alien commanding the shooter?




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