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Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
I find it sad and annoying that people with limited experience with area 51 somehow think they know everything there is to know about that place based on rational probabilities alone. As though everything in the world functions rationally. Headlines...it does not!
Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
If some people say area 51 serves as both a military test facility and as a ufo storage area, I have no problem believing them. Sure area 51 is very remote but still you would not want the people working above ground with only a secret clearance getting involved with those that work underground with a top secret clearance or better.
Do I think area 51 is the mecca of ufology? No, that would be dulce nm!
Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
People who are interested in the truth spend lots of time doing research online and buying/reading books and videos. Those who only have a superficial interest spend their time here debunking.
Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
Hell even the deceased former chief of lockhead skunkworks ben rich said on his deathbed confession:
"We already have the means to travel among the stars, but these technologies are locked up in black projects and it would take an act of God to ever get them out to benefit humanity….. anything you can imagine we already know how to do.”
Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
Why would someone that important say something like that on his deathbed confession if there was no substance to the allegations of ufos at area 51? Does not make sense!
Originally posted by gariac
You can talk to former base workers. They have experience with the base.
The DoD is the DoD. The CIA is the CIA. They behave in established patterns. There is great inertia at these organizations.
All base workers swear the UFO story is pure garbage.
To control access, workers are sequestered as needed. Again, for the umpteenth time, former base workers say there is nothing underground at Groom Lake. Obviously if you think about it, there is no reason to build underground at Groom Lake. Let me say this a different way. There is nothing underground at Groom Lake. Or to put it more bluntly, there is nothing underground at Groom Lake.
Ah yes, the internet is the source of all truth. Oh, and no BS on youtube either.
Book are sold to make money. Thus you need to investigate the motive behind the books publication. Hint: you can sell a lot more books if you mention UFOs in them.
Have you considered reading declassified documents?
Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
Hell even the deceased former chief of lockhead skunkworks ben rich said on his deathbed confession:
"We already have the means to travel among the stars, but these technologies are locked up in black projects and it would take an act of God to ever get them out to benefit humanity….. anything you can imagine we already know how to do.”
No engineer in his right mind would ever make this comment: "anything you can imagine we already know how to do.”
I can shoot holes in that statement all day long. It is trivial to declare that statement to be complete bull#. Example. We can fly a plane from DC to LA. OK. Now since we already know how to do everything. fly that plane with only 1% of the fuel normally required. That would be greeted with deafening silence. It is kind of hard to defy the laws of physics.
Originally posted by gariac
"Bill Uhouse say otherwise. Ufo Hunters say otherwise. John Lear says otherwise. Phil Schneider says otherwise. Bob Lazar says otherwise. Thomas Castello says otherwise. Ben Rich said otherwise on his deathbed confession."
If one is trying to make a convincing argument about Groom Lake, it is best not to mention names such as Lazar, Schneider, Castello and yes John Lear. [No machine on the moon is going to steal my soul.] Seriously, the UFO hunters is one of your sources?
Regarding Ben RIch, I have to assume you didn't watch the video. He made a claim of 50 years advanced technology, but even that is most likely crap. You do realize the NSA used to make the same claim about advanced technology, yet they have terminated many of their projects and gone COTS. Their wafer fab is history since they couldn't keep up with technology let alone be advance. You are doing good if you can stay a decade ahead of COTS. I counter that most Lockheed projects are obsolete about 5 years before they leave the factory. This is easily proven since the technology is moving while the projects are being built. In any design, you have to freeze it at some point in order to buy parts and build it. The general plan is you do block upgrades at some later time. Case in point is the study to put Lighting II avionics in the Raptor.
I gather you aren't a tech worker. Nobody in the biz would accept such statements about technology as fact.
I also gather you have never set foot near Groom Lake. Tikaboo is 26 miles, not 40, and you need a telescope, not binoculars.
You are free to believe in the tooth fairy. I just have to debunk your nonsense rather than let it be stated as fact. By the way, I hate to break this to you, but your parents are the tooth fairy.
Originally posted by flyswatter
reply to post by EarthCitizen07
You get on him about believing things that someone said about the base, yet you are basing your opinion on exactly the same thing - words from people (whether it be written or spoken, no matter). That really doesnt make a lot of sense, does it?
Secret projects there? Sure thing. UFOs and aliens? Nah.
Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
Originally posted by flyswatter
reply to post by EarthCitizen07
You get on him about believing things that someone said about the base, yet you are basing your opinion on exactly the same thing - words from people (whether it be written or spoken, no matter). That really doesnt make a lot of sense, does it?
I use sources that have gone on the record stating stuff and they have provided their credentials.
It is NOT the same thing as him using annonymous scared people.
Secret projects there? Sure thing. UFOs and aliens? Nah.
Anything is possible. Ufos are real. Thousands of people have seen them for thousands of years. There has been a plethora of information gathered and spread over time. The information is available nearly everywhere for those that can entertain wild ideas.
Originally posted by gariac
reply to post by VeritatisIgnotae
Do you really think nobody on this forum has read that project camelot crap. Do a search on ATS and there are over 10 pages of hits on project camelot.
We don't have nuclear powered bores. They simply grind the rock. You might want to read up on the law of conservation of mass. You can change its state and/or release energy, but you can't destroy matter. If you vaporize rock, you have rock vapor that you need to get rid of. But of course vaporized rock won't remain a vapor as it cools.
At what point in time did high school physics become an option? No wonder we're importing foreign engineers and scientists.
Originally posted by Jocko Flocko
Wasn't the groom lake base originally built on a deep silver mine? I find it extremely asinine if a government installation housing some of the worlds top scientists that engineer and develop cutting edge military aircraft were not provided bunkers to protect them in case of nuclear attack. This would have been especially important during the cold war when the Soviets and America both stared at each other with their fingers firmly held on the "nuclear button".
I find it very difficult to believe that Offut airbase has a 1.3km deep bunker, yet area 51, one the most secretive research facilities in the world, would not... It would only be logical to protect important materials, people, information, computers, data storage, etc safely underground in the event of war. I would even be willing to bet my entire retirement portfolio that a few of those aircraft hangers are equipped with elevator floors.