CIA Asset Susan Lindauer Blows Whistle On 9/11, Iraq + BBC Interview, page 5


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reply posted on 11-1-2011 @ 01:27 PM by JacKatMtn
Here's another source taking on the markovian deal.... the comments section is pretty interesting, and in the quest for the truth, someone does mention that it could be a different Susan, so that possibility exists, but the discussion is well worth the read, even someone claiming to be an prior Navy guy saying he recognized some patterns within the random text that was posted over Usenet back in the 90's...

Markovian Parallax Denigrate

On August 5, 1996, Usenet groups were spammed by messages of seemingly random word strings, "sometimes numbering in the thousands in a single posting," under the subject line "Markovian Parallax Denigrate":

jitterbugging McKinley Abe break Newtonian inferring
caw update Cohen air collaborate rue
sportswriting rococo invocate tousle shadflower
Debby Stirling pathogenesis escritoire adventitious novo
ITT most chairperson Dwight Hertzog different
pinpoint dunk McKinley pendant firelight Uranus
episodic medicine ditty craggy flogging variac
brotherhood Webb impromptu file countenance inheritance
cohesion refrigerate morphine napkin inland Janeiro
nameable yearbook hark....


Anything there? I don't know, but I still find it remarkable that having been in DC circles for so long, and being someone who claimed to have Lockerbie details from a CIA source, to be suddenly labelled a nutjob, and character assassinated in the media, and without trial, is shuttled away to a mental facility, when she attempted to prevent the Iraq war?

To me that sounds very shady, and something that needs digging into, especially by the folks here..




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reply posted on 11-1-2011 @ 01:56 PM by smurfy
reply to post by OptimistPrime

It's so hard to get the right help these days. It would look more credible if they even looked at some of this thread.


reply posted on 11-1-2011 @ 04:24 PM by St Udio

truthandshadows.wordpress.com...



TITLE OF STORY: "FBI told Clinton prosecutor about details of 9/11 ‘attack’ weeks in advance"


But when it comes to 9/11, Schippers has some things to say that shake the foundations of the official story.

Just two days after 9/11, Schippers went public with the explosive statement that he had been told by FBI agents months before 9/11 that there would be a massive terrorist attack targeting the financial arteries of lower Manhattan. The revelation came in an interview he did on WRRK in Pittsburgh.[...]




This info was out there but intentionally muddied and obscured... by some body or some one in the political/monied elite/ or media areas of the power pyramid...
i just thought this may help out in the thread about Susan
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of further importance in the linked page... there is this paragraph that is relevent:

Phoenix FBI agent and counter-terrorism specialist Ken Williams had been investigating suspicious “Middle Eastern” individuals who were enrolled in flight schools across the U.S. He started working on this in 2000, and in July 2001 he sent a memo to the counter-terrorism division headquarters saying that Osama bin Laden’s followers may be taking flight lessons for terrorist purposes. He recommended a national program to track suspicious flight students, but he was ignored.



the agent Ken Williams was 6 years late in reading my 'tip letter' to the Phoenix office of the FBI, mailed in April/May 1995...all about the radical Arabs attending flight schools....
the tip letter contained the name of my brother-in-law, himself an FBI Agent, so they could
verify that the tip did not come from a wacko but a reliable source....
but NO, there was an intentional delay---> until the proper time --> to have Ken Williams send the 'Phoenix electronic communication' to all FBI and counter terrorism units at the last minute.







but make sure you click this link found at the bottom of the posted article, which looks like this:


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reply posted on 11-1-2011 @ 08:01 PM by Rockdisjoint
reply to post by smurfy



Sorry, I'm afraid I'm not old enough to remember any of that, but I will look them up. Thanks.


reply posted on 12-1-2011 @ 08:38 AM by mosh3590
reply to post by Rocketman1



Hello, I am new to this forum and I found this post fascinating, please forgive me for sounding like a "Vulcan", but what can possibly make any one of us think that human beings, let alone politicians, are in any way logical. Thank you for reinforcing my hope for the future. Seriously. you have commenced a reevaluation within myself and I am grateful. By the way I was there that day and I am obligated to take what I know to my grave which is not too far off.
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reply posted on 12-1-2011 @ 09:13 AM by ipsedixit
A couple of other thoughts on the "economic hitman" angle. It is clear that Lindauer's efforts as a CIA backchannel asset were paying off when viewed as an example of the economic hitman paradigm. Extortion is how that paradigm operates to secure crazy profitable international business deals for American consulting firms and their contruction firm networks, when it is impossible to buy or bribe the foreign leaders in question, as was the case with Saddam.

How do you bribe the man who controls a fifth of the world's oil? You can't. You have to make him the subject of extortion. As General Smedley Butler put it, "War is a racket." He was quite open in admitting that his job in the US military was to be a muscle man for the banks and big industrial concerns.

So fine. Lindauer, the Iraqi sympathizer, who just wants peace, is operating according to the rules, within the established extortion racket that the US military industrial complex has set up to deal with its wealthy foreign "customers". But something is not going according to plan. Despite getting the Iraqis to cave in and practically offer the Americans the keys to the Iraqi national treasury, the follow up implementation of the backchannel "agreements" is not going forward. Instead, Lindauer is shocked to see America going ahead with plans to invade Iraq(!?!?!), even though they have complied with all demands, even though they have bent over to take their commercial medicine.

Why this departure from the normal extortionate procedure?

It doesn't fulfill Israeli requirements in the situation.

Israel's interests are now a factor in the equation. It is no longer enough for the extortion and bribery equation to work out massively to America's economic benefit. Thanks to the cabal of dual Israeli/American citizens and Israeli sympathizers assembled around the seat of power in Washington, the new equation must finally factor down to both massive profits for the extortionists (the American military industrial complex) and the satisfaction of Israeli political expectations, which in this case were the destruction of Iraq, America's second most important ally in the region and the inauguration of a permanent American military presence in the region, to safeguard Israel.

The education of Susan Lindauer and a new twist on the story John Perkins told in Confessions of an Economic Hitman.
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reply posted on 12-1-2011 @ 04:24 PM by smurfy
Originally posted by St Udio

truthandshadows.wordpress.com...



TITLE OF STORY: "FBI told Clinton prosecutor about details of 9/11 ‘attack’ weeks in advance"


But when it comes to 9/11, Schippers has some things to say that shake the foundations of the official story.

Just two days after 9/11, Schippers went public with the explosive statement that he had been told by FBI agents months before 9/11 that there would be a massive terrorist attack targeting the financial arteries of lower Manhattan. The revelation came in an interview he did on WRRK in Pittsburgh.[...]




This info was out there but intentionally muddied and obscured... by some body or some one in the political/monied elite/ or media areas of the power pyramid...
i just thought this may help out in the thread about Susan
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

of further importance in the linked page... there is this paragraph that is relevent:

Phoenix FBI agent and counter-terrorism specialist Ken Williams had been investigating suspicious “Middle Eastern” individuals who were enrolled in flight schools across the U.S. He started working on this in 2000, and in July 2001 he sent a memo to the counter-terrorism division headquarters saying that Osama bin Laden’s followers may be taking flight lessons for terrorist purposes. He recommended a national program to track suspicious flight students, but he was ignored.



the agent Ken Williams was 6 years late in reading my 'tip letter' to the Phoenix office of the FBI, mailed in April/May 1995...all about the radical Arabs attending flight schools....
the tip letter contained the name of my brother-in-law, himself an FBI Agent, so they could
verify that the tip did not come from a wacko but a reliable source....
but NO, there was an intentional delay---> until the proper time --> to have Ken Williams send the 'Phoenix electronic communication' to all FBI and counter terrorism units at the last minute.







but make sure you click this link found at the bottom of the posted article, which looks like this:


Possibly related posts: (automatically generated)

•Dick Morris: Bill Clinton Personally Orchestrated the 1993 Waco, Texas Tragedy
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That's right,
Schippers was acting for FBI man Robert Wright at or near the time over operation, "Vulgar betrayal"

www.historycommons.org...

It is interesting that both Schipper, and Lindauer included other than 'planes in their account. In Schippers account a "dirty bomb" would also be used originally, but that plan was watered down to just 'planes. In Lindauer's account, it was to be a thermonuclear bomb/device. more reading on Schipper here,

www.historycommons.org...

It is interesting also, that this kind of attack, or knowledge of, goes back to 1995 and perhaps earlier. I even makes me think of movies of the time, "Die hard" and "Die hard with a vengeance" the second one especially if anyone has seen it.


reply posted on 26-1-2011 @ 01:50 PM by sezsue
reply to post by mosh3590



Could you expand on this post please?

I'm sure those posting here would like to hear your story.

Thanks.


reply posted on 5-2-2011 @ 05:46 AM by ipsedixit
I've listened to one of the interviews on the intelhub website and based on that interview and admitting that I haven't actually read her book, I have to say I am beginning to have doubts about her. I don't think that she is a malicious figure but I don't believe that she fully understands her own story.

It is interesting to here her tell it though. If she is a typical "asset" of an intelligence service, then it is obvious that the sort of people who devise intelligence gambits operate on an intellectual level well above hers. She's a specialist with an exaggerated estimation of her own importance in the larger scheme of things and would make a perfect dupe or tool. Her explanation of the meaning and importance of what she was doing is very naive.

I would like to read her book because she is spilling the beans, although it is clear that she doesn't know if they are lima or fava. That doesn't really matter though. Other people can figure that out.

At one point she says that one of her "handlers" tells her to give a message to the Iraqis that they should investigate a possible hijacking scenario involving middle eastern terrorists and relay information about this to the Americans, and to make it clear to the Iraqis that if that attack goes ahead, the US intends to go to war with Iraq.

Her story of this message is just classic. Her handler gives her the message in the most stark, uncompromising terms and wants the message delivered in those terms. Lindauer, the asset starts thinking for herself and decides to be polite when she gives the message.

Of course she's only an asset, not a diplomat. She wouldn't have received that wonderful bit of hazing they give you on the first day of class in my fantasy diplomat school. "Write 'I will follow orders to the letter' one thousand times on the blackboard."

Consequently communication has not occurred.

At their next meeting she tells her handler what she has done and he goes ballistic, . . . filthy, profanely, ballistic.

In her online radio interview, Lindauer starts talking about that message as some kind of attempt to establish an overt motive for the war against Iraq. That line of course, of Iraqi connections to terrorists, was never bought seriously by anyone and the Bush administration moved on to WMDs as their justification for war.

It seems much more likely that this message was an attempt to sabotage the 9/11 attack.

I haven't read her book but as I said, I don't think she understands her own story. I think that her handler's message to the Iraqis and the manner in which he directed it to be given indicates that he was trying to get them to realize that Lindauer was conveying a message within a message, i.e., A terrorist attack against us is immanent. We can't stop it on our side. Our hands are tied. Stop it if you can.

I'm not sure but this handler may have been the same one who told her that there was surveillance on vans seen doing business at the WTC between 3 and 5 in the morning for a couple of weeks prior to 9/11.

I think Lindauer is very lucky to be alive. Her connections, related to Brent Scowcroft, if I am not mistaken, probably saved her.


reply posted on 4-11-2011 @ 08:47 AM by Cassius666
Originally posted by hooper
Originally posted by reeferman
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post by hooper



you obviously did not read or listen to one thing about this story...

troll much?


But Malvina Lacey, Lindauer's next-door neighbor, said, “She lives in a fantasy world.”


Yep, good source.



And Malvina Lacey is an authority on the subject how? None of the whistleblowers turned out not to be who they claimed they were. Of course somebody in uniform can give credentials.
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