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Sorry, I tend to use figures of speech more often than is good for me.
As per the bible, who made the tree and told us that we must not eat of it?
(That's what I mean by waving temptation in our face)
edit on 10/1/2011 by TheWill
Originally posted by randyvs
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This is directed at the Abrahamic god. This is not directed at any other possibility of creation.
With that said, I will remain agnostic - which is admitting that I just don't know.
"I just don't know" - what's so hard about that? And that's where I disagree with atheists.
Atheists seem ignorant to the fact that there is an order in the universe (or at least that some kind of entity created it all). But I can't stand how the Abrahamic Religion Complex (all 3 - I'm not picking on just 1) ruins it for others. My theory is that most atheists are angry at "god" because they can't stand Yahweh and his ridiculous actions.
This ruins it for those atheists because since Yahweh and Allah hog up the word "god" (which I think is a gross misnomer), they think the only possibility of a god (perhaps - I could be wrong - I admit, unlike others) is a scumbag entity.
So I will stay right here in the middle - admitting that we can't know if there is a god and if there is we just don't have enough information yet to actually describe it (I personally believe in a NEUTRAL creation entity of some sort which we would all be a part of if we came from the same singularity).
But I, of course, will state that's just a BELIEF - NOT FACT. Why do others have to promulgate their god or TOTAL lack of god/creator to be the truth?????????
Both sides appear ignorant in their own ways, but I will side with an atheist over a typical creationist any day.
In the light of your stance on the issue I think this an excellent post.
Bet you thought I was just going to ignore you again huh ? Not at all, I just have to ask you to please, stay away from that one pet peave. :lol :No hard feelings as that is a fault of mine not yours. Just irratating, I dunno.edit on 10-1-2011 by randyvs because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by traditionaldrummer
I'd recommend Googling "what did Jesus say about heaven" and compare the results to your own claims about heaven. I think you'll notice the differences are apparent...
Originally posted by randyvs
Originally posted by IAMIAM
Originally posted by randyvs
I think it's ironic that so many great ancient civilizations on earth have so much to do with serpants. Yet you can mock the Bibles account of this phenomena. You may need to rethink your stance on that one at least.
Most theologians do not take the talking snake literally. It is a symbol, in this case, of the lowliest beast on earth. So lowly it crawled on its belly. When Adam and Eve disobeyed Gods will, they did so at the urging of their lowest beastial desires. Furthermore, they did not accept the blame for their indiscretions, they blamed the serpent, the lowliest beast.
To this day this is what man does when he does something wrong. He shifts blame to something else. We still follow our lowliest beastial desires, what ever is good for ourselves.
We have to accept the blame sooner or later. It isn't the serpents fault, we all have logic and reason to do what is good for us all.
In other cultures the serpent is regarded quite differently.
With Love,
Your Brother
That makes great sense. still fits for me as well . I think I like it.
You base your entire belief around what seems most plausible while still fitting your belief system. I'm saying "most plausible" and not "plausible" because until you prove either hypothesis, both are pure speculation. But you already made it clear you don't care about rationality/objectivity/logic and rather rely on belief/subjectivity...which you can of course.
Originally posted by MrXYZ
reply to post by randyvs
If your belief makes you a better person there's no harm done. I just hope you don't follow some of the more irrational Christian doctrines like not eating shrimp or hating gays
Originally posted by IAMIAM
Those are not Christian doctrines my friend, those are doctrines found in Jewish law that many Christians like to revert back to. Christ gave two commandments that if done, fulfilled the Ten commandments which preceded Jewish Ceremonial law. Christ's commandments were to Love God with all your being, and your neighbor as yourself. There was nothing about what to eat or what not to eat, nor was there anything about hating anyone. Simple.
Originally posted by IAMIAM
Originally posted by traditionaldrummer
I'd recommend Googling "what did Jesus say about heaven" and compare the results to your own claims about heaven. I think you'll notice the differences are apparent...
I do not need to google what Jesus had to say about heaven, I have read his words and learned his lessons in life.
Heaven is right before our eyes. It is this existence, this glorious existence we have been gifted. It is all how you look at things.
Originally posted by traditionaldrummer
No, you actually to need to google it since, as I said, your ideas of heaven and Jesus' are completely different. You've have performed the equivalent of sticking your fingers in your ears and gone on with stuff you made up about your ideas of heaven, believing it to parallel Jesus. You could not be more wrong and really should take the time to educate yourself.
Originally posted by traditionaldrummer
No, there were a lot more instructions from Jesus that had nothing to do with the Ten Commandments and were quite frankly, asinine suggestions. Sell everything and give the cash to the poor. Follow me,leave your family and take no thought for the morrow. Gouge your eye out and cut your hand off if necessary.
Though Jesus did have some radically merciful ideas for his era and society, to reduce his teachings down to two "simple" things is intellectually dishonest.
Originally posted by IAMIAM
Prove it,
With Love,
Your Brother
Originally posted by IAMIAM
This is not how a conversation works my friend. You do not get frustrated with another's points, throw your hands in the air, and say "just go google it". If you have a counter point to make, make it. Google will turn up many results, most of which are other peoples opinions and they vary. There is no way for me to ascertain what YOU interpret Christ's views to be that way.
Originally posted by traditionaldrummer
If I give you a phrase to Google, will you simply tell me you don't need to and simply proceed along with your reductionist interpretations of christianity?
Originally posted by traditionaldrummer
My point was made when I pointed out that what you say about heaven is different than what Jesus said. It's your job to make sure that the things you say are on solid footing, not mine. You can either actually read a bible, or if you desire more expediency, you can use Google. Until then, don't delude yourself with the notion that your claims about heaven are even remotely congruent with Jesus'.
Originally posted by IAMIAM
Originally posted by traditionaldrummer
My point was made when I pointed out that what you say about heaven is different than what Jesus said. It's your job to make sure that the things you say are on solid footing, not mine. You can either actually read a bible, or if you desire more expediency, you can use Google. Until then, don't delude yourself with the notion that your claims about heaven are even remotely congruent with Jesus'.
I don't quote biblical passages. I offer my interpretation of them. The reader of my words can then decide for themselves if they match up.
Originally posted by traditionaldrummer
They don't, as I've pointed out.
Read what Jesus had to say about heaven.
Originally posted by traditionaldrummer
They don't, as I've pointed out.
Read what Jesus had to say about heaven.