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Alex Jones, Alan Watt, Vegetarianism and how it's all part of the NWO plan

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posted on Jan, 10 2011 @ 12:34 PM
Also Hitler too was a vegetarian. He wasn't "weak."

posted on Jan, 10 2011 @ 12:54 PM
reply to post by rexusdiablos

I can already hear the screaming so let me make the final post.

First follow the money.

Corn fed to livestock goes for about $8.00/50lb bag. Human corn goes for $47.99/50 lb bag and corn tortillas go for $120/50 lbs in bulk.

Of COURSE the Ag Cartel rather sell you grain at $2.50 to $5.00 a pound rather than meat at $1.00 to $5.00 a pound. You are going to need a lot more pounds to get the same amount of energy and they make a lot more money!

Not only that a High fructose diet (as in HF corn syrup) causes all sorts of health problems. Our of the shelf food is laced with the stuff, just look at a jar of peanut butter!

..There are genuine concerns that fructose contributes to health problems like increased inflammation, high blood pressure, excess uric acid, high triglycerides and high VLDL cholesterol. Fructose also contributes to fatty liver deposits much in the same way alcohol does.

Another problem with fructose is that it doesn't signal the body's satiety mechanisms...

Second if livestock is fed on pasture as it should be, then land that is worn out, too hilly or too rocky can be used to produce food. Growing crops is very hard on the land because of erosion and soil nutrient depletion. The use of chemical fertilizers also pollutes our water.


Vegans especially try to supplement their diet with nutritional suppilements. Unfortunately that option has just been taken away from us by law with the passage of the Food Farce Law.

Nothing in this Act (or an amendment made by this Act) shall be construed in a manner inconsistent with the agreement establishing the World Trade Organization or any other treaty or international agreement to which the United States is a party.

This implements Codex Alimentarius which is based on the Napoleonic legal code whereby anything that is not explicitly permitted is automatically forbidden. It is designed to control EVERY aspect of how food and nutritional supplements are produced and sold.

The FDA had plainly stated its position on international Harmonization of Laws a few years ago. ”Failure to reach a consistent, harmonized set of laws, regulations and standards within the freetrade agreements and the World Trade Organization Agreements can result in considerable economic repercussions.” The FDA even named the International Organizations the FDA is now taking its orders from and guess who is on the top of the list!

Codex Alimentarius
International Office of Epizootics
International Plant Protection Convention
World Health Organization
Food and Agricultural Organization
Joint FAO/WHO Expert Committee on Food Additives (JECFA)
Joint Meeting on Pesticide Residues
Joint FAO/WHO Expert Committee on Microbiological Risk Assessments
Pan American Health Organization
Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development

The FDA and USDA have historically regulated not only our food but our medicine. Internationally, Codex Alimentarius, guided by the World Health Organization and the Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations, is charged with establishing international standards for foods, food additives, vitamins and minerals. ”The food standards that it [Codex] establishes are backed by the power of the World Trade Organization (WTO), which settles trade disputes between nations by ruling upon complaints and then levying punitive fines upon the offending country.” Scott Tips

...for those who have never heard of it, an introduction to CODEX may help. CODEX is a plan by the pharmaceutical industry and the WTO to take control over all nutrients worldwide by declaring them toxins and putting them under governments' control, thus not allowing anyone adequate access to natural substances, supplements, vitamins, or minerals to treat their own health, leaving only expensive pharmaceuticals available for treating diseases.

CODEX influenced laws in the EU has increased the price of a small bottle of supplements up to $150 or more. Each capsule contains as little as 5 to 10 mg, making it impossible for people to get enough of a nutrient to benefit their health.  In Canada,some interpretations of Bill C-51, mean a person giving herbal tea to their child ”..could be considered selling drugs to a minor.  A person producing herbs could be charged as a drug dealer”

...a German court ordered Monsanto to make public a controversial 90-day rat study on June 20, 2005, the data upheld claims by prominent scientists who said that animals fed the genetically modified (GM) corn developed extensive health effects in the blood, kidneys and liver and that humans eating the corn might be at risk...

Rats fed Mon 863 developed several reactions, including those typically found with allergies (increased basophils), in response to infections, toxins and various diseases including cancer (increased lymphocytes and white blood cells), and in the presence of anemia (decreased reticulocyte count) and blood pressure problems (decreased kidney weights). There were also increased blood sugar levels, kidney inflammation, liver and kidney lesions, and other changes. According to top research biologist Arpad Pusztai,... “It is almost impossible to imagine that major lesions in important organs. . . . or changes in blood parameters. . . . that occurred in GM maize-fed rats, is incidental and due to simple biological variability." Source

So, although I have no TV and therfore never watch Alex Jones, I am afraid that in this case it looks like he is correct. The elite want to dumb us down and Vegan and Vegetarianism are part of that plan.

posted on Jan, 10 2011 @ 12:56 PM
1) No. I don't think every human could thrive on a vegan diet. Vegetarian perhaps. Individual biology may not allow it though.

2) The vegans I have met tend to be non-violent, but not docile. There are plenty of fur protesters, animal rights activists and other politically active vegans in my community.

3) I think Jones is wrong on this diet being pushed as a form of control. Call me rude, but a man looking like Jones is not who I would trust about what a healthy diet consists of

I have been vegan for about 2 years now. I would not really advocate a vegan diet for other people, because I think different people thrive on different diets. All I have to share are my own experiences.

Previous to becoming vegetarian & eventually vegan, I consumed meat in just about every meal.

My skin and hair and body odor are beautiful now. I used to have some issues with body acne, and greasy hair. I feel much lighter on my feet, and my long distance running ability is better than ever.

I was curious to see how my body would react to reintroducing meat and dairy. First I had some beef in spaghetti, with no cheese or dairy. I had a small break out of acne on my back and forehead. Later I had a couple slices of cheese pizza. I broke out with much worse acne, had terrible gas and produced excess mucous and ear wax. Also my body odor became quite pungent and I began using deodorant again.

In my experience, a vegan diet has done me very well. For all the supposedly unobtainable essential nutrients/amino acids/etc.. there are vegan options available.
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posted on Jan, 10 2011 @ 12:57 PM
Well how do you explain the huge list of people who have been our GREATS in all lines who are or were vegetarian...some here
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posted on Jan, 10 2011 @ 01:05 PM
As I already mentioned Gandhi and Hitler!

This whole thing is nonsense!

posted on Jan, 10 2011 @ 01:05 PM
For myself and my family we became vegetarian mostly because through the years of learning and growth, we came to realize that we are eating creatures exactly like our cats and dogs only they have led a short and painful existance unlike those we coddle and call pets, the cruelty is so emense it is stunning!
Learning meant either turning a blind eye to those who cannot speak for themselves and beg our help and compassion or change..very hard at first to do but we are very happy we did!

posted on Jan, 10 2011 @ 01:08 PM
I've been a vegetarian for a long time now. Yes I'm definitely more doscile, especially compared to Alex Jones. lol

If you eat the wrong things while on a vegetarian diet yes you will be unhealthy. You can eat right as a vegetarian and be perfectly healthy. I know people who haven't eaten meat their whole life and are in their 20's and they are buff.

I also supplement my diet with a healthy dose of Sungazing when I can.

I think this peacefulness that many vegetarians feel is actually the natural way humans are supposed to feel.

Meat makes you angry, especially red meat.

If you look at the strongest animals out there in nature, they seem to be vegetarians.

From what I understand even herbavore animals have "meat eater" teeth. So the whole we have the teeth so we are supposed to eat meat thing makes no sense.

Maybe eating meat is the NWO plan. I believe you are what you eat and that you take on the consciousness of the thing your eating. How many times are people in the "civilized" world referred to as CATTLE?, especially on this board.

That being said.

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posted on Jan, 10 2011 @ 01:16 PM
reply to post by pitchdragon is dramatic to see how far we have come to the point of no return everything is connected to money...

If you connect the dots as I just did it is down right frightening.

Here is something else to give you sleepless nights:

US Co.. Epicyte With USDA Funding Developed Seed Corn Containing Spermicide

While billionaires Michael Bloomberg, Bill Gates, and others met in the last
12 months to discuss ways to control population,
corn containing spermicide was funded by the US Dept of Agriculture, while 'vaccines' containing Chorionic Gonadotropin to
prevent pregnancy, etc.were developed by the World Health Organization

California Biotech Co. Epicyte With USDA Funding Develops Seed Corn Containing Spermicide
Article California Biotech Co. Epicyte With USDA Funding Develops Seed Corn Containing Spermicide has been created.
Submitted by Anonymous on Fri, 06/11/2010 - 12:43
in Local USDA Epicyte Monsanto spermicide depopulation under guise of globalization
Posted by Dolphin

A small California biotech company, Epicyte, in 2001 announced the development of genetically engineered corn which contained a spermicide which made the semen of men who ate it sterile. At the time Epicyte had a joint venture agreement to spread its technology with DuPont and Syngenta, two of the sponsors of the Svalbard Doomsday Seed Vault. Epicyte was since acquired by a North Carolina biotech company. Astonishing to learn was that Epicyte had developed its spermicidal GMO corn with research funds from the US Department of Agriculture, the same USDA which, despite worldwide opposition, continued to finance the development of Terminator technology, now held by Monsanto.

In the 1990's the UN's World Health Organization launched a campaign to vaccinate millions of women in Nicaragua, Mexico and the Philippines between the ages of 15 and 45, allegedly against Tentanus, a sickness arising from such things as stepping on a rusty nail. The vaccine was not given to men or boys, despite the fact they are presumably equally liable to step on rusty nails as women.

Because of that curious anomaly, Comite Pro Vida de Mexico, a Roman Catholic lay organization became suspicious and had vaccine samples tested. The tests revealed that the Tetanus vaccine being spread by the WHO only to women of child-bearing age contained human Chorionic Gonadotrophin or hCG, a natural hormone which when combined with a tetanus toxoid carrier stimulated antibodies rendering a woman incapable of maintaining a pregnancy.....

As far as I am concerned these people are downright EVIL but unfortunately they have the money and power and influence and control governments worldwide.

One of their big Spinmeisters, Stan Greenberg is the Husband of Congresswoman Rosa Delauro. The Food Bill was introduced by her in 2009.

Greenberg Carville Shrum directed Campaigns in 60 countries Greenberg writes for the Democratic Strategist and formed Democracy Corps

Stanley Greenberg

“ Greenberg's work for private sector organizations - including major corporations, trade associations and public interest organizations - focuses on managing change and reform....

Greenberg has conducted extensive research in Europe (particularly Great Britain, Germany and France), Central and South America (Argentina and Brazil), and Africa (South Africa). He specializes in research on globalization, international trade, corporate consolidation, technology and the Internet. For organizations, Greenberg has helped manage and frame a number of issues - including education, school financing, American identity, the economy, environmental regulation, international trade, managed care, biotechnology, copyrights, privacy and the Internet....

Greenberg has advised a broad range of political campaigns, including those of President Bill Clinton and Vice-President Al Gore, Senators Chris Dodd, Joe Lieberman and Jeff Bingaman; Governor Jim Florio and gubernatorial candidate, Andy Young; former Vice-President Walter Mondale; and a number of candidates for the U.S. Congress. For many years, he served as principal polling advisor to the Democratic National Committee.

"Greenberg works jointly on private sector projects with prominent Republican pollsters in the United States - including Fred Steeper (pollster to former President Bush), Bill McInturff and Linda DiVall - to bring a bi-partisan focus to public issues....”

“He was also a strategic consultant to the Climate Center of the Natural Resources Defense Council on its multi-year campaign on global warming......NGO board memberships include the American Museum of Natural History, the National Endowment for Democracy, The Africa-America Institute, the Citizens Committee for New York City, the Council on Foreign Relations, and Refugees International.......Republican pollster Frank Luntz says "Stan Greenberg scares the hell out of me. He doesn't just have a finger on the people's pulse; he's got an IV injected into it.”

posted on Jan, 10 2011 @ 01:22 PM
Well having done both vegetarian and meat diets, I can say 100% I do not feel weaker when I switch my diet, its more like clarity of thought. If you go to the gym and are very active either diet will give you more than enough protien for muscle and nutrients aswell(most of the nutrients in meat are from the animals that they ate as carnivors....but thier prey are usually vegitarian they indirectly still get most of thier nutrients from plants). That is why they do not feed chickens/pigs/cows across to eachother anymore....YOU ARE WHAT YOU EAT, and ANIMALS WE EAT, ATE PLANTS TOO lol.

The biggest negative I find with either diet is the aggression that I tends to permeat thoughts when you consume too much meat from farmed environments...they are unhappy and full of stress hormones, not to mentions steroids and antibiotics.

YOU ARE WHAT YOU EAT, and IF YOU EAT UNHAPPY FARMED ANIMALS OR POORLY GROWN GMO are not feeding yourself the correct ratios of nutrents, carbs, protien...

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posted on Jan, 10 2011 @ 01:28 PM
reply to post by JohnnyTHSeed

No. I don't think every human could thrive on a vegan diet. Vegetarian perhaps. Individual biology may not allow it though.

You are correct. My background is Bedouin and when I tried a vegetarian diet it made me deathly ill. I can not tolerate grain or beans with out severe reflux and other problems. Other relatives had the same problem on a vegetarian diet and gave up and went back to eating meat too.

Experimentation shows veggies and meat I can tolerate. Forget the fruit, beans, grain or rice. I can tolerate a little bit but that is all.

posted on Jan, 10 2011 @ 01:48 PM

Originally posted by illuminatiexposed

watch all the 8 parts of both these vidoes and let the truth set you free about illuminati ties with freemasonry, the nwo and 2012, after watching these the dots will connect in your head and it will come to you.

The videos are titled
(MUST SEE) Illuminati Satanic 2012 UFO event in london olympics stadium by NWO researchers
The ILLUMINATI - bloodlines planned gulf of mexico oil spill leak new world order A.K.A "the arrivals pt2"
OIL SPILL PLANNED NWO Illuminati Vatican Zeitgeist Exposed G20 1-8
The uploader of the information has added hes own beliefs into videos by others but the information is good and still there.

This was truely enlightening for me and don't comment till you've watched it all or your opinion is invalid to me
wake up to the ways of the world brothers

As william shakespeare said "All the world's a stage, and all the men and women merely players" he was right
this will set your mind free, i am usually very optimistic but these videos justify themselves so well
start from here

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posted on Jan, 10 2011 @ 01:49 PM
reply to post by rexusdiablos

Facts are that a veggy diet is more effecent then a meat based one. To get a chicken, you have to grow grains to feed the chickens and then kill the chickens to get the food. In a veggy based diet you can just eat the grain. Now that is super simple, but thats the arguement. Just look at your local supermarket. What is the cost of 5 pounds of rice as compared to 5 pounds of pork, or chicken? So from a pure economical point of view, it is better to not eat meat (and is also the reason why most of the world goes with out meat for the most part).

As for medical effects. Some studies have shown that ommitting animal protien from your diet has effects on your body that can be quite bad. For example, soy or whey protien is not as good as animal protien in rebuilding damaged tissue. (And I know that whey and all kinds of other things are used in body building, but you got more then just the whey in there, trust me.) You can however get every vitimin and mineral that your body needs from plants alone. The people who get sickly from an all veggy diet tend to be people who will not eat some vital plants and are thus short on some part of the diet. Iron for example is kind of hard to come by in the plant kingdome.

I dont see this as a plot at all. NWO or otherwise. As for the cost of meat, I fully expect vat grown meat to start to show up in shops in my life time. We have the means now to do it, but apperently it dosent quite taste like the real thing yet. I also see livestock going out the window as it take up too much energy to produce a steak that way. Of course we will always have people willing to pay alot for a natural steak and such, but I see animals being kept only for the renewable animal products, Milk, eegs, wool, things like that.Meat Farming just cannot keep up with the demand and still be safe healthy and viable. I also see a future in urban farming. Links below.

In Vitro Meat


Urban farming

posted on Jan, 10 2011 @ 02:03 PM
Lettuce, bananas, potatoes, honey and certain grains and nuts are soporific so docile might be plausible, but by no means in all cases.

posted on Jan, 10 2011 @ 02:21 PM
reply to post by Amaterasu

maybe ya should read the rest of my reply

posted on Jan, 10 2011 @ 02:27 PM

Originally posted by rexusdiablos

Originally posted by freedish
Should we just stop eating animals though? No, unless you want to extinct the human species.

What you're really saying is "don't respond unless you agree with me".
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no im saying dont bother wasting your time, but you just did lol. i've done way too much research and argued way too many times on this subject. my mind is set, there is no possible way anyone could change my mindset- so don't even waste your time. but too late.

posted on Jan, 10 2011 @ 02:31 PM
reply to post by JohnnyTHSeed

...I have been vegan for about 2 years now....

You are full grown. The problem is with pregnant woman and fast growing babies. Yes humans are very adaptive, that is why we are the dominant species, however that does not mean there is not an optimal diet. I find it rather amusing that the Vegans do a hit and run with things like Hitler and Ghandi but have no real information to back up their viewpoint.

"Japanese-Americans have gains substantial increases in height during successive generations and major secular increases in height have been observed within Japan. (Hirayama 1978)" SOURCE

Average height is a good proxy for the nutritional status of a population because height at a particular age reflects an individual’s history of net nutrition, or diet minus claims on the diet made by work (or physical activity) and disease. The growth of poorly nourished children may cease, and repeated bouts of biological stress -- whether from food deprivation, hard work, or disease -- often leads to stunting or a reduction in adult height....

In the twentieth century, heights [in the USA] grew most rapidly for those born between 1910 and 1950... Between the middle of the twentieth century and the present, however, the average heights of American men have stagnated, increasing by only a small fraction of an inch over the past half century.

Unlike the United States, heights and life expectancy have continued to grow in Europe, which has the same genetic stock from which most Americans descend. By the 1970s several American health indicators had fallen behind those in Norway, Sweden, the Netherlands, and Denmark. While American heights were essentially flat after the 1970s, heights continued to grow significantly in Europe. The Dutch men are now the tallest, averaging six feet, about two inches more than American men. Lagging heights leads to questions about the adequacy of health care and life-style choices in America...

Americans were very tall by global standards in the early nineteenth century as a result of their rich and varied diets, low population density, and relative equality of wealth. Unlike other countries that have been studied (France, the Netherlands, Sweden, Germany, Japan and Australia), both the U.S. and the U.K. suffered significant height declines during industrialization (as defined primarily by the achievement of modern economic growth) in the nineteenth century....

His chart shows that the average height of Native American born soldiers in the USA has DECREASED since 1970.

Unfortunately Vegetarianism and Veganism is a very easy sell to bleeding hearts since it does not effect adults in a major way. This is especially true with the supplements that are available. It will only become dangerous when supplements are highly regulated and if Veganism is mandated by law.

Given the New Food law and Obamacare that might not be as far away as we think. I already so in the HR on line lit I get, where Corporations are thinking of mandating diet....

Vegans especially have to be very careful when feeding children.

Young Vegans May Not be Getting Vital Nutrients
SOURCE: American Journal of Clinical Nutrition 2002;76:100-106

Young vegans may be missing out on certain essential nutrients, according to a new study by Swedish scientists.

Because vegans shun all animal products, they may get too little of some nutrients found in meat and dairy products, such as calcium and vitamin B-12. Such deficiencies are of particular concern when it comes to growing teens.

In their report, Christel L. Larsson and Gunnar K. Johansson of Umea University interviewed 30 vegans between the ages of 16 and 20 about their daily food intake. They also analyzed blood and urine samples for the presence of essential nutrients. The results were compared to a similar group of omnivore--or meat- and plant-eating--adolescents.

The dietary habits of the vegans varied considerably and did not comply with the average requirements for some essential nutrients," Larsson and Johansson write in the July issue of the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition.

Specifically, the researchers report that "vegans had dietary intakes lower than the average requirements of riboflavin (a B vitamin), vitamin B-12, vitamin D, calcium and selenium.

A 12-YEAR-OLD girl in Scotland brought up by her parents on a strict vegan diet has been admitted to hospital with a degenerative bone condition said to have left her with the spine of an 80-year-old woman.

Doctors are under pressure to report the couple to police and social workers amid concerns that her health and welfare may have been neglected in pursuit of their dietary beliefs...

The parents of a nine-month-old girl who died after being fed a fruit-based diet.. At their trial, her parents, Garabet and Hazmik Manuelyan, both 45, pleaded guilty to child cruelty.

Vegan Couple Starved Toddler, Cops Say:

posted on Jan, 10 2011 @ 02:53 PM
reply to post by crimvelvet

I agree that infants and pregnant women should not be vegan. I think it is likely that a person's optimum diet changes as they grow.

I feel I should point out that the couple in the article regarding the infant death were on a fruitarian diet, which is much different from a vegan diet consisting of a wide range of many types of food. I have not tried a fruitarian diet but I don't think I would thrive on it.

I don't know what Ghandi and Hitler being vegetarian proves either.

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posted on Jan, 10 2011 @ 03:35 PM
reply to post by crimvelvet

yea this totaly insane....
in fact i don't care about illuminati i don"t believe any person related to governement
I do not need to be told what is good or not by scientist who are payed by some lobbys
i chose to ignore all those people, i decide to leave my life as i always wanted far away from the city
without television, i have only internet and I am less and less on the web, the only way to destroy those illuminati it's not to fight them but to ignore them and there is a simple words is NO... just NO the words NO is more powerful than any gun and more powerful than any speech, when people will start to say just NO the world will change...

posted on Jan, 12 2011 @ 03:00 PM
I was watching that Alan Watt interview the other day, Alan Watt is my favorite when it comes to info on the elite hidden agendas. I would say that there probably is a conspiracy when it comes to the diet of people these days. With all the chemicals they put in food products (aspartame, BPA, flouride) these days and food regulations (GMO, FDA) that are slowly being put in. I always thought that to have a healthy diet you should have a good balance of meat, vegetables, dairy, and wheat/grains products. So just going on strictly meat or veggie diet wouldn't be healthy for you in my opinion, especially for young children.

I also see that animals that eat just meat are more vicious and dangerous for obvious reasons than others that don't, so there probably is some truth to it. I think people and animals that have to hunt and kill have to be more ferocious to kill anything anyways. You don't need to be aggressive to kill a...plant but to kill another and eat another creature yes you do. I don't think it makes you less intelligent either because elephants are considered to have great memory and they just eat plants.

posted on Jan, 12 2011 @ 03:18 PM
reply to post by Obinhi

...Facts are that a veggy diet is more effecent then a meat based one. To get a chicken, you have to grow grains to feed the chickens and then kill the chickens to get the food....

You are obviously not a farmer.

Chickens are fed grain because American tax payers foot the bill. On a normal farm like my roomate's parent's farm chickens ran free and ate bugs. Pigs ate garbage collected from the tables of the town. Traditionally farms were integrated with the environment. Chickens and pigs tilled the soil, fertilize and eat the bugs and diseased fruits from orchards or leftovers not eaten by humans. Cows, sheep and goats grazed on worn out areas renewing topsoil and areas too hilly or rocky to till.

If you want a vegan society without petroleum based fertilizer, you had better be prepared to add human manure to your fields as the Japanese did during WWII. My Father-in-law said you could smell Japan while still well out to sea! He was one of the first Americans to set foot in Japan after the war.

You might want to read History, HACCP and the Food Safety Con Job "The US Congress has a long, tragic history of passing legislation that promotes the industrialization of our food supply, ..."

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