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Gabrielle Giffords shooting reignites row over rightwing rhetoric in US

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posted on Jan, 13 2011 @ 09:46 PM
reply to post by spaznational

I stand corrected and now see you didn't link to BG. (There were 3 posters names in your post.)

My bad, sorry. I disagree AP is left wing though. My .02¢

posted on Jan, 14 2011 @ 09:33 AM

Originally posted by WTFover
reply to post by kinda kurious

Absolutely, without a doubt, it is "possible" (using the same terminology as your excerpts) for a mentally disturbed person to be more susceptible to suggestions of others. Even a neighbor's demonic dog.

However, just because it is "possible" is not evidence that it is the case with Giffords's assailant. I am amazed that this whole flap was put into play by a Paul Krugman article that began with

We don’t have proof yet that this was political, but the odds are that it was.

Unbelievable! And actually, I guess the furor of the left over this incident further proves your statements about the susceptibility of the weak minded to the power of suggestion.

For sake of clarity I'd just like to point out that the quote in your reply to me WAS NOT contained in my response to you providing, what I consider to believe, a compelling argument regarding the power of suggestion and the mentally unstable. Not saying it was intentional, but by nature of ATS formatting it could be misconstrued that your non-sourced quote was attributed to me.

Further, the power of suggestion is undeniable. As an example, if I said "A big red elephant" chances are most people would create an image, if only briefly, in their minds before engaging in intuitive thinking. It just seems to be an automatic response. In an unstable person, that "image" could become indelible.

Just my .02¢ as someone with zero expertise in clinical psychology, I graduated from school of hard knocks with a BA in common sense.

posted on Jan, 14 2011 @ 10:12 AM

Originally posted by 46ACE
reply to post by mydarkpassenger

Agree: I find the left just as virulent if not more so and we should all back off a bit. Dumb/stupid"angry racist teabaggers" etc...
I haven't read the entire thread so if you've posted those sites forgive me. If not, can you please link to those sites, aside from the one that would show Obama saying something like, if they bring a knife to a fight, we'll bring a gun.

People like Angle that say, something like, if the votes don't do it, our second amendment rights will, says what? To me it says lets kill them. I listen to left wing radio, and don't recall any of them talking like those "gentle folks" do on right wing radio. Dr Tiller was murdered by whom? Some guy that listened to O'Reilly. Beck was the only one in the media mentioning the Tide Foundation, and what was the result?

posted on Jan, 14 2011 @ 11:14 AM
reply to post by saturnsrings

Using an argument about what one person says to justify the actions of another person is insane, plain and simple. The moment that is accepted and used in court, we are all fu#$ed, because at that point the 1st amendment is gone.

and we all thought it would be the Government who would revoke the 1st amendement, when instead with the way people are arguing this, its going to be the mental jkid detached from reality who went to a speech and heard nothing but voices in his head telling him the rice crispies elves are evil, and must be killed along with Santa Clause, The Easter Bunny and Chairman Mao.

Before people lay blame on the Right wing and crosshairs, we should look at the Left wing and crosshairs. This is nothing but the Liberal Elite taking an tragic incident to make political hay out of it. Lets looks at the Democratic strategy map and who they are targeting shall we?

Since when did the ignorant Liberal Elite think going on National TV to push an agenda to blame the Tea Party or Republicans for a senseless act of violence would be a good idea without first checking to see if they were guilty of exactly what they are accusing the right of doing?

...and Democrats wonder why they got their asses booted out of the House. Keep this BS up and in the next elections they stand a chance of loosing the Senate and the WhiteHouse.

The American people are tired of the blame game, and to exploit a tragedy like this to do it makes it even worse and does nothing but reinforce the belief that some peoples ethics would raise eyebrows in the Court of Calligula.

This incident was an act of violence by a disturbed kid with mental issues and nothing more. Any attempt to make it into something more is going to backfire and blow up in their face. Apparently the left did not learn anything in the last election cycle....

Also - This kid is a registered INDEPENDANT, not a Democrat nor a Republican.

Hate speech??? Look at how each map is labeled. The Republican map says taking a stand. The Democrat map says behind enemy lines. Lets not forget that Obama at one point called republicans the enemy. The Democrats need to drop the hypocrisy in an effort to take advantage of the situation.

Never let a good crisis go to waste -
Hilary Clinton
Rham Emmanuel
Again Rham Emmanuel

What did the DailyKos have to say about Rep Giffords?

Maybe you can show me where the Liberal Left is going after the dailykos and their comments in addition to the Republican info that is being cited. The comments were removed after the Rep was shot, and not because they had anything to do with it, but because it would be hard to blame the Republicans for inciting hate speech with Democrats doing the same thing.

What else did the Dailykos have?

Uhm.. yeah.. Its all the Republicans fault. I am guessing people come to that conlusion by using the one potato two potato method?

edit on 11-1-2011 by Xcathdra because: (no reason given)

posted on Jan, 14 2011 @ 01:10 PM
This has been festering and fermenting over the last 30 yrs and needs to end. This is a radicallization that means only one thing, the total tilt.

This site must not and cannot be the cause or catalyst to shed the blood of the innocent.

The rhetoric and hate from both sides of the aisle needs to stop. No more!

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