Mainstream Music Industry

Well i started this thread to ask for your opinions about the mainstream music industry fabricating all of its stars just like The Monkees in the '60s.

Wikipedia

Aspiring filmmakers Bob Rafelson and Bert Schneider were inspired by the Beatles' film A Hard Day's Night to devise a television series about a rock 'n' roll group. As "Raybert Productions," they sold the show to Screen Gems television. Rafelson and Schneider's original idea was to cast an existing Los Angeles-based folk rock group, the Lovin' Spoonful. However, the Spoonful were already signed to a record company, which would have denied Screen Gems the right to market music from the show on record. So in September 1965, Daily Variety and The Hollywood Reporter ran an ad to cast the band.

My opinion is that they started fabricating bands and singers since the late 50's and perfected their technique and now 90% of the mainstream singers are just artificial with all their music composed for them and they just sing it during live shows.

Just look at how today's so called artists appear just like mushrooms after the rain. Its like they just go for a cast and thats that.

Waiting for your opinions.

Could you describe the process or technique that you think they use to make a music star?

Of course they are all fabicated. Think of Nirvana (one of the biggest I can remember being copied) someone finds them with there different music style. They become a "overnight" hit. All other record labels go out and find or create copies of them. It happens all the time. All record labels execs are looking for the next big thing, when they can't find that they create it and push it to all the preteens and young teens. That way they know they will get at least 5-8 years on their investment. Look at Britney spears she started with preteens and evolved as that group aged to 18ish then the flame died out and the next preteen wonder was well on her way.
Most popular new bands these days can't even play an instrument it is all written and composed by others for these "pretty faces".

reply to post by PLUMBER1


In that case, they are not all fabricated but rather the industry finds a working formula then imitates it. It's really no different than anything else commercial, be it music or coffee or cheap electrical goods. There's still original music out there, plenty of it, but most would rather have it handed to them than seek out that originality. Most of what we here today in the mainstream originated in the underground scene, and its the underground you must go back to in order to escape the mundane generic sound.

reply to post by AlexIR


I tend to agree very much. Sure these kids have some talent, but often they are groomed and molded into a product. They use kids that appeal to kids so you need to buy it for your kids, in a nutshell.

What's really bad, and we barely know, is what the grooming and molding consists of. I think certain 'popstars' rise and fall according to the success of their own programming. If the programming doesn't hold, then you see the tragic outcome. Otherwise you see nothing, when the product continues to produce sales. The examples are abundant. Just like everything else, nobody is truly self made. It takes too much help to survive anywhere, much less the mainstream music industry.

One thing, why is puff diddy still out there while Notorious BIG and 2pac were silenced? Talent can be replaced, the marketing model can't. Its easy, take pretty kids and just use them up until they're all done, rinse, repeat. If anything is true about that, it is that we are all expendable. They aren't any different.

reply to post by quackers


That is what I was getting at with the Nirvana point.

The next best thing is out there right now playing in a basement bar somewhere.

But as for your Brittney Spears or Hanana Montana stuff that is developed in a studio execs office and pushed on kids when they are preteens.
Once those kids hit their late teens they then start to appreicate music that is original.

reply to post by quackers


Yes, but you need to look hard in order to find the underground music. The radio is just fluff. Even when they play good bands, its usually not their good tracks. Its for the masses, solely to make money. There is definitely a formula. Of course its just handed to everyone, but remember, nothing has ever been given away for free. There is always a hook. The hook also refers to the main chorus of a song.

The music Industry is in a very sad state!
Music has enormous potential and gives people a voice and an avenue to be heard but unfortunately the industry now sells sex and makes it harder for talented muscians to get their work out to a wider audience.
I strongly believe that music is the Universal Language and our greatest weapon against TPTB.
It has the power to move people in mysterious ways!
I feel very strongly about the topic as i am a disgruntled musician and i am sick of hearing Katy Perry on the radio.

reply to post by Indigo2


If only more people knew and rallied behind their music. There are quite a bit of yt videos out there that explain witchcraft and occultism in the music industry. They make a lot of sense in my opinion. I think its mostly about money, but it wouldn't be hard to believe they are trying to mold public opinion, at any level they could reach.

reply to post by dfens


It's not that hard. You have the likes of Shoucast with over 40,000 internet radio stations, hell anyone can do it. Sure some are "mainstream" but there are lot's that are not and some stations where you'll hear music that you probably won't hear anywhere else. That is but one outlet. There's also sites like download.com, unsigned.com, soundcloud, jamendo and that's just the tip of the iceberg.

Personally I think alot of people don't actually know what they like so simply take the easy option of liking what everyone else does. Makes them feel, hmm, accepted?

Originally posted by AlexIR
Well i started this thread to ask for your opinions about the mainstream music industry fabricating all of its stars just like The Monkees in the '60s

Not ALL, but SOME. In fact, in the 90s I toured with a prefabricated act called "Drill". They were short lived but managed a song on the "Mystic Pizza" soundtrack before their demise. All were employees of a record company who arranged them and sent them on the road. Their singer and bassist are still in the limelight under different acts.

At the mainstream level music is an industry and if money is the objective then prefabricated stars and bands should not be surprising. Many other bands begin as and become successful through grassroots effort. If anyone believes that Britney Spears and Jessica Simpson rose to fame paying their dues in smoky nightclub dives, they've been duped.

As much as i hate to do this, i can say that today's music industry is just another tool of the NWO/TPTB/ILLUMINATY/MASONS used for social control or just to keep us busy while they do their dirty work ..

But if we can get enough people to stop listening to this plastic music we can crash the industry.

reply to post by AlexIR


I have to agree. I grew up in the 60s and 70s, when kids would get together in a garage band and make the music they heard in their heads. I myself had one of these garage bands, and got pretty famous in my own area. Then the bands would get some gigs in bigger places, and eventually, if they were good, a producer would see and hear them, and invite them to make a record. Then the band would go on the road to promote the record. Bands had to work for it then, but not anymore.

I had a friend once, you may know of him. Axl Rose. Axl was in several local rock bands before he got famous. Then one day a music producer came along and took him to LA, and put him with Slash, a well known guitarist. The rest is history. That is how today's music is, I call it "canned music." As far as I am concerned, the end of the 70s was the last of the good, home bred rockers.

There is one thing about the music industry that no one can control. The Muse.

reply to post by autowrench


Well it's all about the money and keeping people ocupied listening to (sorry for this i hope i don't get banned) very #ty music produced 99% on computers by highly trained profesionals for a untalanted 'artist' that was found on youtube.

(Just listen to Justin Bieber on youtube while he was singing before he was found by the other crappy artists that promoted him, its the perfect example. Caution your ears might bleed from this ... )

There was a very interesting post on here last year but I cant find it. It was a guy from Australia who said when he was a boy in the early 1950's he was talking to a neighbour, an older man, who told him of a CIA/Tavistock Institute plane to subvert the youth of the 60's using music and that the band planned for this was the Beatles, years before they even played a note.

You should research Taviistock Institute and the CIA's involvement in the 60's counter culture and the popular music scene, it will blow your mind. check out these links for a start.

www.davesweb.cnchost.com...
Stick with it and read all the parts, seriously blow your mind.


www.youtube.com...
This leads on from that, its a guy called John Todd who was head of Zodiac Productions that owned all major record labels in the 60's He talks about the occult influence in the music biz and is talking about david crosby this will blow your mind even more


plasticmacca.blogspot.com...

www.youtube.com...
Now if you can digest those other 2 links and you can find some truth in it then this link will test your logic, common sense and everything you "know" to be true. Its an old conspiracy but i think it holds some water.

This conspiracy like all the others ties in to the world wide conspiracy, it is just another part of it.

also check out www.vigilantcitizen.com he specialises in the occult music industry.

Of course the music industry fabricates much of their own bands. This is most prevalent in the rap industry. Probably the most difficult genre of music to break into. Just about every "new" artist that comes out is in some way affiliated with a known name.

But there are others. Miley Cyrus, for example, was solely created by the Disney Channel along with their other stable of prefab singers. Hell, she wasn't even supposed to be the star of Hannah Montana. She was originally cast as the supporting sidekick up until her dad got involved. Look at them now. Rolling in the dough.

All of the current Disney Channel singers are pretty much cookie cutter assemblies. They all sing similar songs, with similar beats, with similar pointless dance routines on stage. But whatever keeps the tween scene happy.

Justin Beiber was accidentally created by Satan while on a bender in Canada, I can only assume. Honestly, I've never heard a single song of his on the radio, on tv, nothing. I still can't figure out why he is supposed to be famous. But the mass media seems to say he is. Tell me he wasn't fabricated.

A lot of those boy bands from the 90's and early 2000's were cobbled together and given songs to sing. Why anybody liked them in the first place, I'll never know. Hell, there was even a reality show about it once. A bunch of no-talent hacks were trying out to form their own band, paid for by some studio. I forget what the show was called. But I do remember seeing it about 10 years ago.

So called stars like Britney Spears, Beyonce or Lady Gaga aren't actually talented. They don't play instruments. They have one job. That is to stand up on stage in a skimpy outfit and look pretty. Then they sing some monotonous song which is very thoroughly post-processed so it doesn't sound like sh!t. Pretty much every song they've got was written by somebody else.

In retrospect, a lot of the indie bands I listen to that deserve a shot, but will probably never get one, will always suffer because they are a profit risk. Whereas, a music studio can create their own band, singing songs that follow a proven design, tell the public that these are the people to listen to, and just sit back and wait for the cash to roll in.

I don't believe ALL pop musicians are part of some production line as ATS seem to think.

I DO know a couple of musicians who are doing well in their field, and know of more through some of the people I know, and in every case there is so much hard work and dedication put into their art, that frankly they deserve to be where they are.

I also know of some manufactured acts and have done some freelance work for one in particular, they were created by part of a major, major label with enormous marketing resources and yet their debut single flopped. Didn't even chart.

As for the comments on rap being hard to break, it's actually quite easy - easier than being noticed in a rock band, there is a massive network for underground urban music, especially in the UK. If you produce the goods (and you're British...) there are pirate stations that will play you, maybe 1xtra if you're really good. It's about being resourceful and of course not slagging off TPTB in your music, as they own the main radio stations etc. Saying that, I remember in late '09 a show where one of the guests launched a freestyle about the masons and slagging off Prince Albert, and some stuff ATS would love - on the BBC! I'm trying to remember what he was called. Will look into it...