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Flight AA77 on 9/11: Real FDR Analysis: Frank Legge / Warren Stutt

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posted on Jan, 12 2011 @ 12:35 PM
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Originally posted by Alfie1
reply to post by turbofan
 


turbo, you seem to be agreeing with me that Warren Stutt teased out the last few seconds from incomplete frames the NTSB didn't bother with. It really, really, doesn't sound like fake data to me.



Yes it is.

I can give you a file that has extra information by messing around with the "EOF" coding.

By doing this your computer will only read so much data, even though more is contained the file.

Look up EOF as it pertains to computer files.
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posted on Jan, 12 2011 @ 12:43 PM
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Originally posted by turbofan

Originally posted by Alfie1
reply to post by turbofan
 


turbo, you seem to be agreeing with me that Warren Stutt teased out the last few seconds from incomplete frames the NTSB didn't bother with. It really, really, doesn't sound like fake data to me.



Yes it is.

I can give you a file that has extra information by messing around with the "EOF" coding.

By doing this your computer will only read so much data, even though more is contained the file.

Look up EOF as it pertains to computer files.
edit on 12-1-2011 by turbofan because: (no reason given)


So, Warren is a double agent? Working for the Truth and the Perps?



posted on Jan, 12 2011 @ 12:56 PM
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Originally posted by turbofan

Originally posted by Alfie1
reply to post by turbofan
 


turbo, you seem to be agreeing with me that Warren Stutt teased out the last few seconds from incomplete frames the NTSB didn't bother with. It really, really, doesn't sound like fake data to me.



Yes it is.

I can give you a file that has extra information by messing around with the "EOF" coding.

By doing this your computer will only read so much data, even though more is contained the file.

Look up EOF as it pertains to computer files.
edit on 12-1-2011 by turbofan because: (no reason given)


Sorry turbo, I can understand a hi-jacked airliner being flown into the Pentagon. I can understand multiple radar and airtraffic contol confirmation of that. I can understand aircraft wreckage being positively identified as belonging to a Boeing 757, I can understand many witnesses confirmation of a jetliner impact, I can understand dna identified remains of passengers and crew being recovered at the site.And now I have been given information that the aircraft's FDR had a final reading of 4' altitude at the same time as off the scale decelaration.

What were you saying about " EOF " ?



posted on Jan, 15 2011 @ 12:13 PM
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I am bumping this thread. I apologise for that because I wouldn't normally.

However, I do feel it is tragic that important new fact based evidence is barely addressed. Are truthers unaware of it or just unable to deal with it ?

Through careful and diligent research new evidence has emerged. This is not speculation or endless recycling of unsubstantiated allegations.

Are truthers avoiding it because they are afraid of it ?



posted on Jan, 15 2011 @ 12:27 PM
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reply to post by Alfie1
 

What new evidence?



posted on Jan, 15 2011 @ 12:30 PM
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Originally posted by ATH911
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What new evidence?


Have you not read the Frank Legge / Warren Stutt paper ? go to the OP.



posted on Jan, 15 2011 @ 12:35 PM
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Originally posted by Alfie1

Originally posted by ATH911
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What new evidence?


Have you not read the Frank Legge / Warren Stutt paper ? go to the OP.

That the alleged Flight 77 FDR data fits the official story?



posted on Jan, 15 2011 @ 12:42 PM
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Originally posted by ATH911

Originally posted by Alfie1

Originally posted by ATH911
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What new evidence?


Have you not read the Frank Legge / Warren Stutt paper ? go to the OP.

That the alleged Flight 77 FDR data fits the official story?


You obviously didn't have time to actually read and consider the paper. Do you even know that Frank Legge is a truther ?

The obvious inference is that you don't want to know because it challenges your preconceptions.



posted on Jan, 15 2011 @ 12:46 PM
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Originally posted by Alfie1
You obviously didn't have time to actually read and consider the paper. Do you even know that Frank Legge is a truther ?

The obvious inference is that you don't want to know because it challenges your preconceptions.

Yes, I know. So what is the summary of his paper?



posted on Jan, 15 2011 @ 12:51 PM
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Originally posted by ATH911

Originally posted by Alfie1
You obviously didn't have time to actually read and consider the paper. Do you even know that Frank Legge is a truther ?

The obvious inference is that you don't want to know because it challenges your preconceptions.

Yes, I know. So what is the summary of his paper?


Go to the link in the OP and read it and I will then be more than happy to debate it with you.



posted on Jan, 15 2011 @ 12:58 PM
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Originally posted by Alfie1

Go to the link in the OP and read it and I will then be more than happy to debate it with you.

Just tell me the summary. Geez.



posted on Jan, 15 2011 @ 01:30 PM
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Originally posted by ATH911

Originally posted by Alfie1

Go to the link in the OP and read it and I will then be more than happy to debate it with you.

Just tell me the summary. Geez.


By your response you have confirmed that at the time of your first dismissive response you hadn't read the paper.

Now, despite the fact that there is a link to the paper in the OP you expect me to summarise it. To cut out all the big words perhaps ?

If you are a truther in pursuit of the truth how about being radical and just reading it ?



posted on Jan, 15 2011 @ 01:54 PM
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Summary:

Warren Stutt joins PF9-11 Truth.

Befriends Balsamo.

Balsamo loves that someone with brains joins his ilk.

Warren decodes last 4 "missing" seconds of FDR data.

Last 4 seconds proves there is no way the plane flew OVER the Pentagon.

Balsamo calls him disinfo agent.

CIT is upset.

Civil War in Truther Land has started once again.



posted on Jan, 15 2011 @ 05:09 PM
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And yet the actual facts tell a very different story, which is why you fail to source your claims.

AA77 FDR Decoder Program

New FDR Analysis By Frank Legge - Discussion

"Warren Stutt" (nor "John Farmer") were never members of Pilots For 9/11 Truth.



posted on Jan, 15 2011 @ 05:33 PM
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Legge is now up to Version 7 of this "peer reviewed paper". He does not admit in the preface that Version 6 or Version 7 have errors, yet he STILL has some of the same misinformation in it as Version 1 (and 3, an 4, and 5, and 6) which Craig already corrected on August 7, 2009 in the e-mail quoted in full above.


lol, yep, brilliant work.


Plenty to learn about this Legge character....
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posted on Jan, 15 2011 @ 06:45 PM
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Weedy,

Legge claims that there is an 80-150 feet "altitude divergence" within the primary altimeter as compared to Radio Altitude among normal approaches as well as the approach to the Pentagon.

What would this do for Cat I ILS approaches if the pilot were reading 80-150 feet too high, along with the allowed +/- 75 feet on departure? If Legge were right, wouldn't Airline pilots be calling "minimums" at 50 feet BELOW ground level?

Were your callouts based on Radio Altimeter for a Cat I ILS? Is a Radio altimeter required equipment for a Cat I ILS?
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posted on Jan, 15 2011 @ 06:55 PM
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Originally posted by Six Sigma

Last 4 seconds proves there is no way the plane flew OVER the Pentagon.

So I was right, the alleged Flight 77 FDR data fits the official story. Not sure why Alfie couldn't just say "yes."



posted on Jan, 15 2011 @ 06:57 PM
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Originally posted by ATH911

Originally posted by Six Sigma

Last 4 seconds proves there is no way the plane flew OVER the Pentagon.

So I was right, the alleged Flight 77 FDR data fits the official story. Not sure why Alfie couldn't just say "yes."


You mean "alledged peer reviewed version 8 "



posted on Jan, 15 2011 @ 07:01 PM
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Originally posted by ATH911

Originally posted by Six Sigma

Last 4 seconds proves there is no way the plane flew OVER the Pentagon.

So I was right, the alleged Flight 77 FDR data fits the official story. Not sure why Alfie couldn't just say "yes."


Actually, the "last 4 seconds" is exactly what one would expect to see if in fact the plane flew over the Pentagon.





Feel free to play with the above simulator yourself...

www.luizmonteiro.com...


Source



posted on Jan, 16 2011 @ 03:19 AM
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Originally posted by AntiSophist
reply to post by Six Sigma
 


And yet the actual facts tell a very different story, which is why you fail to source your claims.

AA77 FDR Decoder Program

New FDR Analysis By Frank Legge - Discussion

"Warren Stutt" (nor "John Farmer") were never members of Pilots For 9/11 Truth.



Seems to me your links to P4t only serve to confirm Six Sigma's resume.

Warren Stutt was treated with respect at P4t all the time there was any hope his decode research might provide support for the ridiculous flyover that no-one saw. But now that his research has led to the inevitable and obvious conclusion that AA 77 crashed into the Pentagon they can't badmouth him and Frank Legge enough.

Very mature response in the best tradions of truthseeking !



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