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Originally posted by 46ACE
1) First we have to agree the constitution is not just a gawddamn piece of paper but the "Supreme law" of theland. no law is higher.
The concept of executive privilege is not mentioned explicitly in the United States Constitution, but the Supreme Court of the United States ruled it to be an element of the separation of powers doctrine, and/or derived from the supremacy of executive branch in its own area of Constitutional activity.[1]
I read that to mean the Supreme Court trumps the Constitution in the area of executive privilege.
That is apparently because you have not bothered to educate yourself on what those circumstances are. You cannot use a short form to prove your are Native to Hawaii going back over 200 years. You cannot use a short form within a state that does not issue short forms. If you can find the stipulation you have imagined above, please provide that.
Originally posted by backinblack
I gave you a credible source..
If you dissagree then YOU show proof...
Otherwise my post stands..That's how a debate works
Originally posted by Sinnthia
Well here in the states we have two kinds of birth certificates. There is a long form and a short form. Both are birth certificates.
Yes, I have seen the real one.
Originally posted by Honor93
not anymore ... quit spreading disinfo. short forms are no longer issued and they are still being phased out, everywhere. Real ID fixed that for everyone. (including Obama)
still fantasizing eh? well ok then, please, show all (on this certificate you've seen), any attending physician signature?
date it was accepted by the local registrar? signature of parents? you know, all the items inclusive of a 'natural born' American birth. do share, please? then we can finally put this fiasco to rest.
You gave a source that does not back up any claim. Maybe you need to reiterate the claim. I explained what it means about certain circumstances. Show me where your source says anything different. You need to back up your claim. THAT is how debate works.
source: www.usconstitution.net...
Executive privilege is a right to withhold information from the legislative and judicial branches by the President or by one of the executive departments
- source: www.merriam-webster.com...
definition: exemption from legally enforced disclosure of communications within the executive branch of government when such disclosure would adversely affect the functions and decision-making processes of the executive branch
Originally posted by backinblack
I made a claim with a credible link to verify..
You gave an OPINION with no proof to back it up..
Show me a credible source that backs up your opinion or it's just that, an opinion..
Originally posted by Sinnthia
Originally posted by backinblack
I made a claim with a credible link to verify..
No you did not. You cannot show me where you source backs up anything but one vague phrase. Can you define it? Can you apply it legally? Can you even explain it?
Show us your claim and your source side by side.
You gave an OPINION with no proof to back it up..
I disputed your claim by explaining your source to you.
Show me a credible source that backs up your opinion or it's just that, an opinion..
Still waiting on you there, sportsfan.
Originally posted by Sinnthia
Then you are no longer looking for that long form either then?
There is not one. The simple fact that over 30,000 children are born without a doctor present each YEAR in the US kind of voids the need.
How about you show me some legal US stipulation about exactly what information is required to be on a Hawaiian birth certificate and I promise, I will show you a picture of just that. Be accurate now. Good luck!
edit on 9-1-2011 by Sinnthia because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Honor93
not following your question, i have 6 long forms currently ... what more am i looking for?
if you are referring to the POTUS, yes, i demand legitimate proof of the "natural born", Constitutional requirement
nice deflection but that pig just won't fly ... try again ... wasn't the case in 1961 or Obama.
Yes, it is 'needed' and since you admit "There is not one" ... i wonder, how exactly do you Know that?
(after all, you keep saying you've already seen it - so, which is it?)
better yet, you find a reasonable argument other than falsehoods and we'll play.
until then, shame on you.
i don't paste pics but here's a link ... from HI, from same year ... the legal mumbo-jumbo you can search on your time ... i've been there and my records are on another hd ... do your own homework. pic of valid, long form similar to what Obama needs to present: www.wnd.com...
pssssst ... don't forget, i already possess 3 of them ... one, 1962, 1966 and another from 1933
do you really think Obama would have anything different than every other American born citizen, unless he was Not born in America ??
Originally posted by backinblack
What a ranting crock of BS..
You have shown not one source to backup ANY of your opinions..
Just the usual disinfo rants...
Originally posted by backinblack
reply to post by Sinnthia
lol, another rant with no source..
Your new to this disinfo job right??