The biggest logical hole in alien influence of ancient society.

reply to post by Jobeycool


Because angels and demons don't physically exist in reality. And to say they do means they can be interacted with. And if they can be interacted with, they are mortal. And that's just not acceptable.

Now I don't think I've offered my own theory, so what the hell. The fact is that if one were to follow conventional biblical history, it demands a higher technological people to have existed. Now being Christian I'll base this off my faith but its not with any evidence. So it's pure theory and a joke. Not real. But lets say some aliens, maybe they were the nephilium, come down to Earth all chilling and interested in what this pile of rocks have to offer. Well first we have to construct just what kind of aliens they are. I'm going to go out of the box and say something probably like a jelly fish. Reason being that On earth they were one of the first species to evolve on Earth at a large scale, so they are the most likely, somewhere out there, to develop intelligence first. But more than that, they were probably linear creatures. In that, they probably had no imagination, little to no art, little culture, and build based off trial and error. Assuming that these so-called pictures of aliens from cave are are in fact aliens, it's proof that they are such creatures, as no intelligent species is going to use the same ships and hardware 10,000 years after they used it. So they are slow. But in that slowness, they are more stable. So this, maybe 20 million year old species, lands on Earth to learn what the planet had. And they find A father, A mother, and a psychopathic son whom was a murderer. This is most baffling. They don't age, at least not at the same rate as the jellys. They have intelligence that bewilders them, and they are too small to be able to reproduce a viable species. So the Jellys come up with an idea. They need warriors. And these primitives need more members of their own species. As it is written about the nephilium, they take humans for their own desires. In my hypothetic situation, warriors. They use the humans as their generals and win their war against a foreign force. As promised, the sons and daughters created through cloning and reassembling genes are returned to Earth where they can make the species viable. The Aliens notice that the entire solar system is seemingly designed to protect this one rock, and this species is more than strange. They suspect someone created this whole place. Someone powerful. They want to meet these people. So they plan to return. So many years later, they're at war again, and they return to Earth for more super soldiers to lead their armies with their superior intellect. They return to an Earth 500 or so years later with astonishment. The some 2000 people they left to repopulate humanity have spread like wildfire and across the whole of Africa and the surrounding areas, they're people have advanced beyond anything understandable. They're already building their first warp ship. this in just 500 years? It took them 20 million years. The jellys are highly bewildered. They are even afraid. And so they send probes. They find that Cain, Adam, and the lot, are still alive. These people are seemingly not dieing. They are seemingly immortal. They desire to learn more. They kidnap Adam and his family and Cain and his lot and run off with them to investigate the genetic make up of these creatures. meanwhile the humans launch their new towering space ship to conquer the heavens, named Babylon. The ship goes after the aliens to take back their people. These people are violent by nature. Seemingly a people of psychopaths. An indirect result of using Cain as the host for the clones and reassembled genes. Wild and ruthless, they take on the jelly fish ship and board it without mercy. Meanwhile, jelly scientists take the genes they wanted and abandon the ship, deciding that it was hopeless. Before they give up, they place a beacon on the moon to observe this confusing people. They grab their samples and run. Their ship is blown to pieces, and the heavily damaged Babylon returns to Earth. Meanwhile the aliens, with their samples, chose to make hybrids to fight their wars and lead them. But many are lost, and the curse of Cain works against them Eventually the hybrids win their war, but with no planet to return to, go back home to the capital. Their human intellect and psychopathic-like behavior leads to doom as they take on the government and take over all together. 7x those lost are killed against the Jellys. Eventually the hybrids make new hybrids that are better, smarter, stronger, and beat the jellys in every form. Some time later, the hybrids want more genes to diversify their ranks. They need more to make their people survive. They return to Earth to find it in chaos. The psychopathic nature of man has overrun their own ranks. Adam is dead, Cain is dead. These people are dieing and the jellys and their hybrid leaders are wondering what is happening. They see Noah and his ship piling up animals and taking in their genetic data. Every species alive at the time. The ship closes its doors. Humans have invented a space manipulate with their warp drive, allowing the ship to be massive inside, compared to its smaller outside. it's all gone to hell, and the the Earth is flooding. Everything is gone. They witness the destruction. They land after the flood to see who is left and see Noah and his "tardis". They also see another man. This man is most powerful and claims to be the human form of the creator of this planet and its people. He scolds them, tells them to leave this world and never return. Fearful of the power to annihilate whole worlds, the jellys leave. And the hybrids, with human tendencies to fear and denying what is true, erase anything recording Earth. The jelly and the hybrids eventually reduce in numbers as their empire collapses from chaos and destruction. Cloning a psychopath was not as good an idea s they thought. Meanwhile on Earth, some folks try to repair the Babylon to escape this now empty Earth, but we already know what happens to them and their towering space ship. Eventually the jellys go extinct, and the hybrids rule a shattered feudal state that was once a 20 million year old grand empire. Cavemen leading a galactic empire. Their collapse, and the collapse of the people they were fighting, leaves a vast vacuum of space. The only thing left are the automated drones and infrastructure they had going, which we occasionally see in the form of these so-called discs in the sky. In reality, they're just probes doing what they were programmed to to. The moon observatory still stands today, watching over us. Recording what is happening, but with no one on the other side of the phone line to read th data. Earth, and our very existence, forgotten.

Cool story, eh bro? Just made it up. But you see how really cool made up stories can become truth with enough people?

Originally posted by Gorman91
reply to post by HexagonSun

 

Yes we do know. It's perfect shape is for it's bricks and structural capacity. This is because they learned what didn't work from the fail pyramid at medium. It exploded on its own weight because of it's poor construction. They fixed those wrongs and built them better. No different than a building development program today. If you look at the 200 years of pyramid construction before the Giza ones, you see them leading up to that. The geometry had no purpose than grandness. It was the result of eons of evolution. Made by man. Not knowledge given.

So what were they built for if you know?

To live in? No.
Tomb for dead Pharaoh? No.

Originally posted by HexagonSun
So what were they built for if you know?

To live in? No.
Tomb for dead Pharaoh? No.

Judging by the remains of funerary temples in front of the pyramids, the answer is, of course, tombs.

Harte

reply to post by HexagonSun


Yes for the dead. This is why Imhotep made the first pyramid. Way back with the Pyramid of Zoser. Every pyramid after his got bigger, grander, and celebrated ever richer, more powerful pharaohs.

That's why it;s on the side of the river that was for the dead, it was built near other tombs, and every pyramid has a burial chamber, or if not that, a fake one to deter from the real one in another pyramid.

Please do research and post reasons for your claims. here, I'll do my part:

Here's some info on the man who started the pyramid phase of construction projects in Egypt. His actions started 200 years of pyramid construction, ending with the collapse of the government because of internal stresses. They then moved on to temples when the government re-assembled.

whatiscivilengineering.csce.ca...

www.bbc.co.uk...

www.touregypt.net...

As Harte said, the pyramids were tombs. They had tomb materials around them. Funeral boats, goald of the dead, etc etc. Ever wonder why a pyramid complex looks like a flower set to the dieing sun of the west? Same reason we put flowers on graves.

reply to post by Jamjar


that´s a good point.
i think it might have been some kind of supercharger for us

If you don't believe aliens seeded the human race , explain how Cain(or Abel) and or Seth propagated the human race ?

Originally posted by cooltiger

If you don't believe aliens seeded the human race , explain how Cain(or Abel) and or Seth propagated the human race ?

Neither Cain, nor Abel, nor Seth ever existed.

If you believe in this, why would even for a moment consider any alien hypothesis?

To say that Cain existed is to take a position that the Talmud is history. If one takes this position, the Talmud is enough in itself.

We arose from some strain of Homo Erectus. There was no Adam and Eve, much less their progeny.

Harte

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Well I actually do take the Bible literally. But who did they have kids with? Bible says how. Nephilim. They came down and bred with people, adding to the diversity. Now one could say that was aliens, but what's the chances that an alien would go along the same 4.5 billion years of evolution to get to something compatible? Along with the unlimited number of genes that could make something like us, only 1-3% actually have to do WITH us, the other 97+% is just evolutionary junk. And if anything even had so much as a gene different, it would be impossible, if not incredibly dangerous to breed. And the chances of anything that close are nonexistent.

So whoever these Nephilim were, they made more diversity in humanity. Then, after the flood, they came back and did it again. To assume aliens is stupid, however. As for all you know, it's just some spore that can make a human go through single parent reproduction.

Would you give an early civilization some fish, or teach them how to make a fishing rod? If you were to give them a warp drive or something, what would be way over their head, if they were to each us how to do every day things ourselves, they wouldn't have to cheek up on us every 5 mins, what would we even do with a warp drive when we were that un-evolved

Originally posted by Gorman91
Well I actually do take the Bible literally. But who did they have kids with? Bible says how. Nephilim.

Sorry, but the Nephilim thing doesn't answer the question of who they had children with:

And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch.

Genesis 4:17

The Nephilim aren't mentioned untuil Genesis 6, nine Biblical generations later, with these generations being hundreds of years each.

The Earth was fully populated with people. It was the beautiful women on Earth that caught the Nephilim's attention.

This, BTW, is the origin of the Burqa and other headwear worn by women in the Middle East.

It was their lovely hair that attracted the nephilim, so they covered it up after that.

Don't you read your own source?

Harte

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It actually never mentions any head wear. However, that is an interesting theory, and I do like it.

I've changed a bit since that post, researching and what not. It wasn't the Nephelim who found them attractive. It was the son's of God. Now That could be anything from angels possessing humans to good men and prophets who were seen well under the lord. It could not have been anything angelic or demonic directly because such things are not biological, and do not have sexual organs. This is why Jesus mentions that marriage is an Earthly thing that is not meaningful in heaven. Hence the "Till death do you part".

The only detail about the Nephelim is that they were on Earth before and after the flood. That's all that's ever mentioned. The translation of their name and analogues of it means various things, from long necked, to giants, to "dead ones". Considering that all creations of God that were on the Earth were destroyed during the flood, the Nephelim could only be a few things. Some sort of spirit that occupied the unclean animals, some sort of non-earthly creation, or some sort of creation of the devil, if that's even possible.

And Genisis is quite clearly not necessarily in a linear chronological order. It was in fact taken from many stories the Jewish people had and pasted together either during or after their exile. The two stories of creation, for example, are clearly told in different perspectives. And it clearly means that heaven/God saw creation in a different timeline than man. This being evidence that God basically has a troll face when it comes to timelines, but that's God for you. In any case, it mean Genesis is not in a linear timeline, though a great deal of it is. And the mention of something is not the date it was created. The Nephelim could have been created with Adam and just not mentioned. Simply put, we just don't know.

So thus, where did all the people come from? Maybe the Nephelim somehow. Or God just made more people. Either way, not being stated doesn't mean it didn't happen. A bug flew by Adam at least once in those days. It's not mentioned, but that doesn't mean it didn't happen, it just means we don't know.

Originally posted by Gorman91
Why would creatures with presumably warp drive technology and other cool stuff teach Humans how to cut rocks and build big stuff? Of all the stuff they have, why teach that?

Now I've heard worship. But the flaw remains. What is their need? Why do they need us? And how can you know they even understand worship or religion, that they even look like us or are anything like us?

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If you look at any megalith across the world you'll know it's more than jut cutting rock. In fact, I'm sure whatever knowledge ancient man used to created Stone Henge, etc, was knowledge known to him before aliens & that knowledge is lost to most, but I'm sure a few elite know how's it done.

Why make things out of stone? It's last forever. Even wonder why the Mayan Calender is written in stone?

If there was ancient aliens which is unlikely but possible the aliens would not teach them anything, but easy persuade and influence them to create animal gods and perform sacrifices. I have long time wondered why ancients did that, but there is no evidence that aliens taught humans anything, but there is heavy evidence of aliens when they came.

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We actually do know how they were made. Evidence is enough to know. We just don't do those things anymore. Money mainly, because back then when the leader said build, you built. Today when a leader says build, the builder tells the leader how much it will cost.

Originally posted by Gorman91
I've changed a bit since that post, researching and what not. It wasn't the Nephelim who found them attractive. It was the son's of God. Now That could be anything from angels possessing humans to good men and prophets who were seen well under the lord. It could not have been anything angelic or demonic directly because such things are not biological, and do not have sexual organs.

I don't recall that being in the Bible. I believe it is mere dogma.

Originally posted by Gorman91
And Genisis is quite clearly not necessarily in a linear chronological order.

See, the only reason I even made the argument is because you claimed to be a literalist.

Generations named in the Bible post-Cain indicate that there were men and women available for marriage. The Sons of God are, to a literalist, masculine. They don't explain where any of the named progentors' wives came from, do they.

Originally posted by Swills
Why make things out of stone? It's last forever. Even wonder why the Mayan Calender is written in stone?

Could you please link to a pic or a reference indicating that the Maya carved their calendar in stone?

Harte

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Some things are inferred. When Jesus says that Marriage is only an Earthly thing, and when God says that sex is for married people, then sex is inferred as obsolete after death. No sex? no need for sexual organs. Hell, no need for organs in the new Earth and the new heaven.

Generations named in the Bible post-Cain indicate that there were men and women available for marriage. The Sons of God are, to a literalist, masculine. They don't explain where any of the named progentors' wives came from, do they.

No, they don't. So we cannot assume anything. We simply do not know. We don't know the name of Eve's first daughter, or if she even ever had one. That doesn't mean she did, but it doesn't mean she didn't. Rationalization dictates that without statement, there is no knowledge. And God, being God, is perfectly capable of creating more humans. The man created in Genesis 1 has no name, and the man in Genesis 2 may not be the same man. We don't even know if Adam was a name or a title for man, as the translation is indifferent, though strongly inferred that Gen 2 Adam is a name and Gen 1 Adam is a species. Simply put, we do not know. To assume is wrong. What we know is that people were created. If God could make a man from mud and a woman from a rib, he's perfectly capable of making additional people.

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I would think that wanting to help a civilization suceed..one that you've played a part in helping to evolve would be the right thing to do. Perhaps they gotten to here they are by learning and thinking they way they do...we on the other hand are where we are because we only do whats best for us...wouldnt that be the right thing to do?

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Would be true if there was any proof of it. There isn't any. There have been many humanoid species related to us, and some our ancestors. None show any sign of any sort of intervention from anyone. Primate evolves, primate adapts, adaptations specialize into specific species, then the species compete and evolve with each other. Some die, some live. They evolve, specialize, and become other species. Repeat. The same is true for all species on Earth. Can you show any sign of intervention? And jumps? Any sudden shifts or changes? There are none.