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Originally posted by Gorman91
reply to post by eyeoftruth
No, many main stream scientists say there is no missing link because we've found it. What was on the animated cartoon was that very joke.
**Some scientists, not all main stream scientists.
Let's review. A species long ago started evolving into primates. The best representations of this species are Plesiadapis and Notharctus. Eventually this species evolved into a primate like species known as Proconsul nyanzae, as well as Proconsul heseloni. These species already had the basic ape form and larger skulls. Sahelanthropus and Orrorin tugenensis eventually evolved out of those ancestors, and this was the first edging off from the primates that began our species. At some point there after, we broke of. This was around the time of some environmental shifts. Larger mammals were dieing off and the ice age was coming along. New areas were opened up, so just like when the dinosaurs went extinct, some mammals left the trees. Now these primates already had proper legs like we have, so a minor modification of their pelvis enables species like Ardipithecus Ramidus and Ardipithecus Kadabba to begin walking upright. These ere tiny changes. Little stuff. They didn;t even have proper thumbs yet. They mere could come down to look for food from the trees. bathe, etc etc. This was 5 million years ago. And the ones before those two species were 30 million years ago. Small changes. Long time. But now species were dieing off. and thus evolution accelerated. As we adjusted for life out of the trees, our skulls grew wider and stronger. We lost some fur, out bodies bulked up to fight for survival. We took on fat, we started making tools (however, tool use probably went back a few million years before them). Over the course of 2 million years, we flourished. Our species diversified into Australopithecus anamensis, Australopithecus afarensis, and our brains grew in species like Australopithecus sediba, and Australopithecus africanus. And for 2 million years we spread across Africa and the surrounding areas. We were going places. Nature wasn't ready for us. Minor developments occured in the Pelvis and the Skull, and our backbones went more upright. But these species were doomed. Half way through their evolution, another species broke off and became Kenyanthropus. Some speculate that this was a bigger brained Australopithecus, but either way, it was something new. THeir reign was cut short as half way through their evolution, other species started evolving out of them. By this time over 6 distinct humanoid species were living at the same time, 2-3 million years ago, including those above, and Paranthropus aethiopicus, Paranthropus boisei, and Paranthropus robustus From then onwards, we slowly evolved. But one group became Homo habilis. Homo habilis would be the closest thing to your general missing link. Homo habilis became many species, and itself can be traced to our own ancestor Homo erectus. The total species that, including itself, evolved, are numberous. Some looked very human. Others looked very apish. It gets messy, but more or less, between 2 million to 200,000 years ago, the following species occured: Homo habilis, Homo rudolfensis, Homo ergaster, Homo georgicus, Homo antecessor, Homo cepranensis, Homo erectus, Homo heidelbergensis. So many humanoids could not live all together. So the best survived. The ice age helped too, killing most of the above. Eventually Homo erectus stood alone. And just like before, it broke up into other species: Homo Sapiens, Homo neanderthalensis, Homo floresiensis, and Homo rhodesiensis. These species were all more or less human. little fur, big brains, decent intelligence, tool use, culture, etc etc. But From homo sapiens came more. Homo sapiens sapiens (us), Homo sapiens idaltu, and other archaic Homo sapiens. Homo sapiens sapiens had the cutting edge, and betwwem 50,000 years to 30,000 years, ago, we out competed or killed off everyone else until only us, Neanderthal man, and Homo floresiensis were left. Eventually, we outcompeted or killed off the other two, until roughly 12,000-20,000 years ago we were the only ones left.
**Once again you ASSUME we killed off these off shoots, but no one knows for certain, why or how it came to be that our species homo sapien became the predominent bipedal humanoid on the planet. Please make note of your time period above, becasue it is important later.
No gaps. No missing links. It's all there. And by that time, we would not need any modification.
**Once again says who? There really would be no one to tell if a single gene was inserted into a race that was evolving normally, but was still slow and only using basic tools, much like monkeys can. It's still debatable by someone with an open mind.
You see, the genes you described occurred AFTER homo sapiens evolved.
**Wow, I just watched a documentary on the very gene I mentioned the HAR1 gene and no scientists no when or how that particular gene came about, so you must have some very good resources at your disposal.
And it was pretty clear we were sentient long before our species evolved. So thus, that leaves no room for your little insertion. It's like coming to a battle between 10,000 and 100. It's clear the 10,000 will win. So why would you give them more technology? There's no point. When a species has nothing to compete with, it rapidly diversifies to fill any gap. That's probably why your gene is there.
**Honestly, I think we were the predominent race on the planet, but still were not smart enough to grasp certain concepts. I think the aliens wanted to utilize us for mining purposes and needed us just a little smarter. i never said they did it to make us the winner or because they felt bad for us. it directly benefited them to have us just a bit smarter.
No gap, no room, no aliens.
Impossible to move, and yet that picture shows them moving. Precision? The stars. The movement of a star from one point to another is as precise as a laser, And yes, they did have the tech to do that. We've discovered ball and hammer devices the Egyptians used that were quite effective.
**Actually modern day sculptors say the precision of the tools need for most of the intricate carvings on many of the ancient places is impossible. Many places have surfaces that are within 1/100 of an inch flush, and things that would be difficult with the best diamond blades, etc.. of today.
Most of these sites are less than 5,000 years old. In fact, some of the more impressive ones, like the S American ones, are bordering 2,000 years old. They're not that old. And our species has been along here for a long time before they existed.
**Actually some of them are over 10,000 years old 11,000 yr old temple or puma punku
Fact is this. There's no gap. We know how the pyramids were built. We know how the stones were moved. These aren't mysteries any more. Clearly that photo I posted shows them doing it. And the relics on that Island are no different. Their techniques remain.
**The photo is a representation of how it might have been done, but each pyramid or temple would have taken 100s of years to build.
And then, let's just use Occam's razor. Even if we did not know anything, which is more likely. They had some primitive technology we've lost, or aliens came down and did it? The first is much more likely. The fact is that a human can pull 100 pounds. So you'd only need 100 people to pull those rocks. That's not a lot. 100x100 is 10000. Enough for most any of those rocks.
**Maybe for some of the rocks used in the pyramids, but your number is very low. The blocks at puma punku have very massive blocks that had to be hauled from miles away. You show a 5 ton rock pretty big, the biggest one at puma punku is 131 metric tons and you can say just add more men, but where the heck did we make rope that strong? Granted most of them aren't that massive only around 50 tons but that's still pretty big. Also, they have elevated stones that weigh this much also. So Occam's razor and pushing/pulling by conventional means won't cut it. The largest of these stone blocks is 7.81 meters long, 5.17 meters wide, averages 1.07 meters thick, and is estimated to weigh about 131 metric tons. The second largest stone block found within the Puma punka is 7.90 meters long, 2.50 meters wide, and averages 1.86 meters thick. Its weight has been estimated to be 85.21 metric tons. The quarry for these blocks was on the western shore of Titicaca, ten miles distant
edit on 9-1-2011 by Gorman91 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Gorman91
Why would creatures with presumably warp drive technology and other cool stuff teach Humans how to cut rocks and build big stuff? Of all the stuff they have, why teach that?