The Case for Controlling Conspiracy : Jared Lee Loughner [Trigger Event Identified?]

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posted on Jan, 9 2011 @ 10:13 AM
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Excellent points MKULTRA. I'm in full agreement with you.

1) there should have been at least one media outlet there filming. If not, there should be security footage from the store's camera, and it is likely someone in the crowd was filming as well. The crowd reactions and the reactions of the police/security will be a big clue to this puzzle.

2) this will probably be the genesis of a new, tougher version of the Brady Bill. I base this on every MSM outlet I've seen hammer home the point that his gun was purchased LEGALLY, something will probably be changed in the near future. Again to your point, the creation of a single, government controlled Internet ID would have allowed authorities to review his actions online easily, making it easier to "spot a problem" early.

edit on 9-1-2011 by el_topo because: removed excess quoting of early post




posted on Jan, 9 2011 @ 10:29 AM
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Originally posted by OneNationUnder
Another shooter with 3 names. That's a conspiracy in itself.


You dont have a middle and last name



posted on Jan, 9 2011 @ 11:09 AM
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You are making a very good case.. a little lack in evidence, but puting it together..
I'll have to read more into this.



posted on Jan, 9 2011 @ 11:32 AM
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This is why people should be able to film out in public or in businesses. If someone had a camera small enough to hide they could post it on You Tube. What about security cameras? Didn't they have any security cameras.



posted on Jan, 9 2011 @ 11:53 AM
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Originally posted by dreamseeker
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This is why people should be able to film out in public or in businesses. If someone had a camera small enough to hide they could post it on You Tube. What about security cameras? Didn't they have any security cameras.


With the news of a possible accomplice, reported to have been caught on security cameras and described as a white male approx. age 40-45 with brown hair, how come this image has not been released to the public--especially 24 hours after the event? Also, on the public recording issue, are there any statements indicating that data was confiscated?

If the alleged accomplice is 'on the run', why isn't the public being asked to assist? Why is, "see something, say something" being promoted in Wal-Marts but not for actual events?



posted on Jan, 9 2011 @ 12:14 PM
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We definitely need an image or at least a composite for the man they are looking for.



Also wondering when we might hear from Jared's friends and or family - someone new him better than we do and it might put a new light on finding out why he went on a rampage and killed so many people.

The fact that he uses his full 3 names sets a strange tune for me - any further thoughts on that. Did he just want to make sure people knew it was definitely him and not some other Jared Loughner?



posted on Jan, 9 2011 @ 12:19 PM
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This is actually what got my attention. This is the equivalent of sending the chief of police out to get a cat out of a tree. You do not see the director on scene period. Something tells me this isn't to make sure that things are being done right, but to be sure that things are presented and investigated a certain way. The other thing I am curious about is to see if the "accomplice" matches or has a similar description as the underwear bombers "escort".

Good thread btw OP.
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posted on Jan, 9 2011 @ 12:19 PM
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Jared Lee Loughner is nothing more then a classic case of meth addiction. I have had let's say not so pleasurable run in's with meth addicts while living in Tucson. Meth addicts are up for days their minds racing with 'what can I do' ? Anger starts to build from thinking too much and the added sleep deprivation ( talking about so bird on your shoulder on youtube) the ranting of anti-government whatever. Jared might have been suffering from mental disorder and used meth to self-medic ate, that seemed to be a lot of meth head's e/cuses. In a nut shell, sleep deprivation, anger, hallucinating, anti-goverment ranting not to mention these gas prices. You have a young man, wacked out, who in is mind beleives he can make a differents. Its sort of like (run run get the gun shoot shoot) in referance to the Ozzy Osbourne trial years ago. Jared gets the gun a shoots Gabby Giffords because he believe, it has to start somewhere, it has to start sometime, what better place the here, what better time the now. Jared just don't realize there was just one John Wilkes Booth and history looks back at him as an ass not a hero. Meth its a powerful drug and then in Arizona anyone can conceal a gun and there's medical weed now. It it the wild wild west. reply to post by ararisq
 



posted on Jan, 9 2011 @ 12:20 PM
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Originally posted by Jayhawker

Originally posted by Discover

Originally posted by Jayhawker
Was the victm herself the trigger? Why is her youtube channel subscribed to the shooters??? (check bottom right corner)

www.youtube.com...

Update: HER LAST VISIT IS TWO DAYS AGO: BEFORE THE SHOOTING!!!!!
edit on 9-1-2011 by Jayhawker because: update


WoW...That is pretty odd... some way they seem connected???


It shows they had some form of correspondance before the shooting. Maybe he threatened her or begged her to watch his videos?? She only has two subscriptions and the other is Rep Ike Skelton.


Now that is really bizzare!
Someone should investigate this further.



posted on Jan, 9 2011 @ 12:20 PM
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Jared Lee Loughner is nothing more then a classic case of meth addiction. I have had let's say not so pleasurable run in's with meth addicts while living in Tucson. Meth addicts are up for days their minds racing with 'what can I do' ? Anger starts to build from thinking too much and the added sleep deprivation ( talking about so bird on your shoulder on youtube) the ranting of anti-government whatever. Jared might have been suffering from mental disorder and used meth to self-medic ate, that seemed to be a lot of meth head's e/cuses. In a nut shell, sleep deprivation, anger, hallucinating, anti-goverment ranting not to mention these gas prices. You have a young man, wacked out, who in is mind beleives he can make a differents. Its sort of like (run run get the gun shoot shoot) in referance to the Ozzy Osbourne trial years ago. Jared gets the gun a shoots Gabby Giffords because he believe, it has to start somewhere, it has to start sometime, what better place the here, what better time the now. Jared just don't realize there was just one John Wilkes Booth and history looks back at him as an ass not a hero. Meth its a powerful drug and then in Arizona anyone can conceal a gun and there's medical weed now. It it the wild wild west. reply to post by ararisq
 



posted on Jan, 9 2011 @ 12:41 PM
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Originally posted by hoeon

Originally posted by Jayhawker

Originally posted by Discover

Originally posted by Jayhawker
Was the victm herself the trigger? Why is her youtube channel subscribed to the shooters??? (check bottom right corner)

www.youtube.com...

Update: HER LAST VISIT IS TWO DAYS AGO: BEFORE THE SHOOTING!!!!!
edit on 9-1-2011 by Jayhawker because: update


WoW...That is pretty odd... some way they seem connected???


It shows they had some form of correspondance before the shooting. Maybe he threatened her or begged her to watch his videos?? She only has two subscriptions and the other is Rep Ike Skelton.


Now that is really bizzare!
Someone should investigate this further.


I posted it in the youtube thread too to get peoples attention.

In that post I have a screenshot that still shows her last login as '2 days ago" i.e. before the shooting.

P.S. I'm new here, if its against the rules to have multiple posts on the same subjects, I would be happy to remove some of them.
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posted on Jan, 9 2011 @ 12:54 PM
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I'm not sure if this question or questions have been posted yet in any of the discussions on this. My main question is how did he shoot a child? I'm not talking about mentally being able to kill a child but if his targets were adults how did a 9 year old get shot in the chest? It also said he used an extended magazine so I'm guessing it's along the lines of one of these.
www.thegunsource.com... er_High_Capacity_Magazine_SCHERER_MAG_GLOCK_40SW__E.aspx It's not going to be easy to conceal a gun with a large magazine like that. If he was some MK ultra person do they do a crappy job of target programming? I could see someone pissed off at the government taking out a judge and congresswoman but not bystanders. Also Arizona loves the second amendment so why wasn't this guy lit up like a Christmas tree?



posted on Jan, 9 2011 @ 12:58 PM
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Also Arizona loves the second amendment so why wasn't this guy lit up like a Christmas tree?


I remember the MSM was reporting for awhile that someone in the crowd had fired at the shooter. I haven't heard anymore about that ever since they confirmed police were looking for a second suspect.



posted on Jan, 9 2011 @ 01:03 PM
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Thanks for the reply on that and see there we go again with another shooting and phantom suspects. Didn't the Ft. Hood shooting have multiple shooters with a few in custody at one point?



posted on Jan, 9 2011 @ 02:54 PM
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I am not sure if HE was a victim of MK-ULTRA type operations, or if WE - the public - are.

One thing is for certain -the situation is being used to

1. try to target the tea party
2. try to target Sara Palin
3. frame conspiracy theorists as nutjobs
4. give the media a platform to convince people 'to be more civil"

To be more civil is to conform to society's expected conventions.
There's trouble brewing in the US- and to me- it looks like some psyop to try to bring the temperature down before the pot bubbles over. More than ANYTHING else, regardless of what made the guy crazy - the incident IS being exploited far and wide.



posted on Jan, 9 2011 @ 06:10 PM
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Interesting about the Greys Anatomy episode.
Was it shown in Arizona where this guy lived roughly about the time of the shooting does anyone know?



posted on Jan, 9 2011 @ 08:43 PM
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Based on the logical profiling analysis that Jared did not act alone, the REAL PHYSICAL ENEMY is still out there. Whoever he is, he is thinking and planning a few steps ahead and attempting to cover up the tracks, using every gimmick in the book as well as using power and authority to do so.

In order to solve this terrible and hedious crime against innocents, investigators must think and plan even a few more steps than him or the organisation, least the tracks turn cold and forgotten in the heat of debates that it was meant to stir up and occupy the masses mind.

Once again, americans had fallen into his/his organisations trap - tapped into their fears and start bitch fighting among themselves over numerous causes, and allowed him/his organisation to gleefully clap their hands with joy as their plan had succeeded, or would succeed once the tracks turned cold.

The shooter has no political motivation to kill Rep. Giffords. A far left leaning seemingly unstable kid to kill a centrist left leaning democrat, when there are far more far right wing spouting hatred republicans avaliable to achieve his mentally unstable mind?

Yet we fight over each other and attempt to label him left and right to support each other political's cause. The shooter excercise his right over the second amendment, and Rep Giffords supported the second amemdment. He had no motivation to kill her on this point, and yet others are using it as a means to fight each other over the 2nd amendment again.

We should instead be laying down our vitrol against brothers and sisters, temporary if needed, and focus on the truth - the motivation for the murder and whom are the REAL plotters pitting us against each other in this latest episode of madness, not distracted as the attempt was intended to.

We can and MUST change the script and not be played again.

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posted on Jan, 9 2011 @ 09:12 PM
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--double post---
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posted on Jan, 9 2011 @ 09:27 PM
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I did just hear on CNN that he was not allowed into the military because he failed a drug test. They did not say what type of drug.



posted on Jan, 12 2011 @ 03:44 AM
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Here are Montauk Project survivor Stewart Swerdlow's comments about programming clues:






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