That wasn't long... ``Tea Party`` tried to kill Gifford

Yeah... except Gifford supports gun rights and national guard at the border... which Tea Party people also support... but she did support Obamacare... but on the shooter facebook page, Jared, the suspected shooter, listed Obama, Che Guevara, Alinski and Chavez as his heroes...

IMO he's just in shock, but it wouldn't surprise me if the medias ran with it...

Asked by the New York Post whether his daughter had any enemies, Giffords's father replied: "The whole tea party."

Sarah Palin's political action committee posted a map of the US, showing the locations of the 20 Democratic members of Congress, including Giffords, it was targeting for defeat. Each location was marked by an image of a gun crosshairs.

Well hopefully she gets out alive of this tragedy...and the latest news coming out of the hospital are good.

And if it was an attempted political murder by a tea partier, it would have been just her shot, and not just some starting shooting in the crowd randomness.

And here's the scumbag Krugman, you know that ``famous economist`` who is full of it?
Assassination attempt in Arizona

A Democratic Congresswoman has been shot in the head; another dozen were also shot.

We don’t have proof yet that this was political, but the odds are that it was. She’s been the target of violence before. And for those wondering why a Blue Dog Democrat, the kind Republicans might be able to work with, might be a target, the answer is that she’s a Democrat who survived what was otherwise a GOP sweep in Arizona, precisely because the Republicans nominated a Tea Party activist. (Her father says that “the whole Tea Party” was her enemy.) And yes, she was on Sarah Palin’s infamous “crosshairs” list.

Yeah the tea party killed her... sure. WRONG AGAIN KRUGMAN.

If one good thing could come out of this... the end of Sarah Palin career. That would be good.

That guy was mentally deranged. And the thing is nutty people can claim anything and say they are part of anything. Like that wacko that shot Lennon. I suspect he was hoping to be shot down while shooting. He said something about going out in a blaze of glory according to a report on the tube.

When I heard it, I already knew the guns, and people that own them, including yours truly, will become heavily scrutinized and labeled terrorists. Fits right in with the getting rid of guns agenda of the new police state.

And to be honest, when I first heard it, for some reason I thought it would turn out to be related to the drug wars in Mexico on the border. Just goes to show that perceptions are shown to be wrong more often than not.

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Facebook page was a fraud, was created after the shooting. Be on the lookout for trolls, they love trolling these kind of events

Side thought: Having a "crosshairs" list of Senators could be considered high treason.
Will have to wait and see what the authorities beat out of this guy - he doesn't seem like a typical fit for anti-political rage, but who knows.

Well well well.... what a surprise... not.

According to Business Insider, a woman claiming to have been a classmate of Rep. Gabrielle Giffords‘ alleged shooter Jared Loughner says he has run into the Congresswoman once before and that he’s “left wing” and “quite liberal.” That comes as some on the left are trying to paint Loughner as one who succumbed to angry, Tea Party rhetoric.

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That article is from "The Blaze" which is Glenn Beck's own website.

Besides, wasn't the "TEA Party" supposed to be made up of people of all political leanings? If that were the case, it is entirely possible that he could have been a TEA Party advocate and be liberal too.

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The left believes violence can solve social problems.

Originally posted by TKDRL
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Facebook page was a fraud, was created after the shooting. Be on the lookout for trolls, they love trolling these kind of events

Thats just disgusting. Them trolling these kind of events I mean, not your post.

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Violence is not a political trait, it is the repose of an undereducated or sick mind. There is nothing partisan about it.

~Heff

If this was anything more than the act of a single, deranged individual, then it is a conspiracy.
If it is a conspiracy, more than one was involved, so there would have to be something(s) to be gained by the act for a group to conspire to take out...
a member of congress,
a Democrat,
a federal judge,
innocent people killed by a GUN,
what else do we have?
We have a major distraction that will dominate the news for a while. I wonder if this is a motive?
We have a possible backlash against Republicans.
We have a possible backlash against Arizona.
We have a possible backlash against the free ownership of guns and existing gun laws.
We have a judge killed that no one seems to know much about, or talk about. Who has the judge pissed off?
Furthermore, what group of people benefits by ALL of this?

She was an Independent in Democrat clothing.
Based on her voting record I'd say the real teaparters would support her.
Check here:
giffords.house.gov...

Major Votes Against Leadership
• Congresswoman Giffords voted against increasing the national debt limit (Dec. 16, 2009).
• Congresswoman Giffords supported an amendment to the Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act which would repeal TARP and lower the national debt limit (Dec. 11, 2009).
• Congresswoman Giffords voted against the FY 2009 Omnibus Appropriations bill (Feb. 25, 2009).
• Congresswoman Giffords supported measures that would bar the Interior Department from prohibiting an individual from possessing a firearm in a national park or wildlife refuge (April 30, 2009, Credit Card Accountability Responsibility and Disclosure Act).
• Congresswoman Giffords voted against “Cash for Clunkers” and also voted against extending the program’s funding (June 9, 2009).
• Congresswoman Giffords voted against the Auto Bailout (Dec. 19, 2008).
• Congresswoman Giffords supported an amendment offered by Congressman Jeff Flake which would have investigated earmarks given to clients of PMA Lobbying Group (March 5, 2009).
• Congresswoman Giffords supported several amendments offered by Congressman Jeff Flake which would have investigated the relationship between earmarks and campaign contributions (March 10, 2009; March 19, 2009; March 25, 2009; March 30, 2009; April 1, 2009; May 12, 2009; July 22, 2009, March 18, 2010, March 25, 2010, April 15, 2010, April 22, 2010).

Debt and Deficit
• Congresswoman Giffords is a proud member of the fiscally conservative Blue Dog Coalition.
• Congresswoman Giffords was a lead advocate in Congress for creating a bipartisan commission to examine all areas of federal spending and propose ways of reducing the national debt. She cosponsored the Securing America’s Future Economy Commission Act which would do just that.
• She voted against increasing the nation’s debt limit by $290 billion to $12.394 trillion in December 2009.
• Congresswoman Giffords signed a letter to House leaders opposing the debt increase citing, “the skyrocketing deficits are taking us down a path to mushrooming debt that will have serious real-world consequences. Deficits and debt matter for everyone. In 2008, American taxpayers paid more than $250 billion to our creditors in interest payments alone, and each citizen’s share of the debt is more than $38,000. Long-term deficits will drive up interest rates for consumers, raise prices of goods and services and weaken America’s financial competiveness and security.”

Health Care
• At the request of Arizona Governor Jan Brewer, Congresswoman Giffords sent a letters to Chairman Waxman (Energy and Commerce Committee) and Speaker Pelosi to expressing concern about Arizona’s ability to afford new Medicaid enrollees under the Senate health care bill.
• Congresswoman Giffords introduced with Congressman Michael Burgess (R-TX) the More Doctors, More Choices Act which will give doctors a one-time opportunity to opt back into Medicare when a long-term SGR extension goes into effect.

Immigration
• Congresswoman Giffords has repeatedly criticized the federal government for not securing the border.
• In March 2009, Congresswoman Giffords sent a letter with Congressman Jeff Flake (R-AZ) to President Obama supporting comprehensive immigration reform and securing the border.
• Congresswoman Giffords joined Congressman Sam Johnson (R-TX) in sponsoring the New Employee Verification Act which proposes changes to E-Verify to make it a more reliable, effective and balanced employee verification system.
• In spring 2010, Congresswoman Giffords joined Congressman Ted Poe (R-TX) in calling for the immediate deployment of the National Guard to the U.S.-Mexico border. She also introduced a resolution with him recognizing the increasing violence along the southern border.
• Congresswoman Giffords introduced legislation with Congressman Brian Bilbray (R-CA) that would impose tough new regulations on stored value devices, a favored money-transfer mechanism of Mexican drug cartels.
giffords.house.gov...

Originally posted by Vitchilo
Jared, the suspected shooter, listed Obama, Che Guevara, Alinski and Chavez as his heroes...

That's a very interesting claim, because I see no evidence for this. Do you have a link? A far as the reports show, Jared disliked the government, period.

What this man did was absolutely disgusting and was an act carried out of little to no difference in consequence to what Joe stack did when he crashed his plane into the IRS building killing one other innocent person. I am seeing people from both sides, even what would typically be highly partisan individuals, come out and show their absolute disgust for what this man did along with their wishes that congresswoman Gifford recovers. Its good to see both sides come to an agreement on this event, and I hope we can come to further agreement on the nature and motive of what this young man did.

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I think it has a lot to do with poor information working on an already deranged and weak mind. Obviously this man's actions were his own and regardless of any outside factor, he probably would have eventually ended up doing something like this anyway.

But I am not sure that we can rule out violent political rhetoric as an influence altogether. Over the past two years there has been an enormous increase in thinly veiled threats against political figures made by media outlets and even some political personalities, and also not so veiled threats made against political figures made by people. (ATS has an overabundance of such rhetoric.)

Whatever his true motivations, the choice he made was a poor one, and hopefully the fallout will discourage others who may be on the edge and thinking of doing something similar.

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Someone's been putting up fake Facebook pages claiming to be from the shooter. One of these lists his heroes as Che Guvera and Obama. The page only came up after the shooting, Facebook has since taken it down. Whoever did that is about as sleazy and sick as they come.

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So a random twitter account claims to "know the shooter" and divulges his political leanings to a heavily right-wing media blog? Thanks, I'll pass.

And the mystery continues, except for one thing.
If he was a right winger, you know damn well the media would be quick to paint all other right wingers with the same brush, but that ain't happening.
Should be obvious by now he was just another lunatic lefty with a gun.

Maybe he wasn't a "right" or "left" winger, just some nut responding to the rhetoric or the demons in his head?

Originally posted by Alxandro
And the mystery continues, except for one thing.
If he was a right winger, you know damn well the media would be quick to paint all other right wingers with the same brush, but that ain't happening.
Should be obvious by now he was just another lunatic lefty with a gun.

If it's true he hated ALL Government then why would left or right come into it?
May have been opportunist..
She was the poor Government official in his area at the wrong time..

Originally posted by whatukno
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That article is from "The Blaze" which is Glenn Beck's own website.

Besides, wasn't the "TEA Party" supposed to be made up of people of all political leanings? If that were the case, it is entirely possible that he could have been a TEA Party advocate and be liberal too.

Does it matter if from the Blaze? Those are journalists that are employed there right? Just like any news site correct?

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No, they aren't journalists, they are pundits, big difference between a pundit and a journalist. A pundit prints opinion, a journalist prints facts.

Glenn Beck and his filth couldn't be considered Journalists if their life depended upon it. Besides, like was stated earlier, this information came from a twitter account and cannot really be considered confirmed.