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BREAKING Gabrielle Giffords Shot: Congresswoman Reportedly Shot In Arizona [UPDATED]

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posted on Jan, 8 2011 @ 07:54 PM
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Originally posted by AutOmatIc
While this is a tragedy, and my sympathies and positive thoughts go out to the victims of this crime...why don't they start going after all the damn known drug dealers in the neighborhoods? People get shot all the time in this country. Law enforcement officers know who gang members are, have them profiled, yet continue to let them roam the streets, selling drugs, and terrorizing neighborhoods. Why not crack down on known criminals? It's so easy to just walk down any street in our country and buy drugs, guns, a prostitute or anything you want if you have enough money. It's not that I don't care...it's that just because she was a political figure everybody makes a big deal out of it. People are shot at every day...and nothing is done about it, known criminals walk the streets...every single day, everywhere in this country....where's the headlines about that? Who is doing anything about that? Who is arresting illegal immigrants? Nobody. Lovely isn't it?


That's a bit off topic.
But since you brought it out. Another way to greatly reduce or altogether eliminate that would be to end prohibition. Do you work for DHS or something? Now I'm all for stopping violence at any level, but do you really want a completely controlled 24 hour surveillance police state?

Now back to the topic - in one way or another this was a political assassination attempt, which is obviously going to make the news. That's just the way it is.




posted on Jan, 8 2011 @ 07:59 PM
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Originally posted by angelwrangler
reply to post by antmax21
 


Look it, I do not mean to rain on anybody's parade, but every economist worth their salt knows our currency along with everybody else's isn't worth sh*t. Welcome to reality. Its only worth what the float allows. And that is only and only if China doesn't get up that day and eff with the yuan. Load your guns?, grow the eff up! Welcome to adulthood! I have more for you but this is not the thread. Buy a subscription to "The Economist" and read rebels, read!


The thing about the dollar and China is, is that when you are in too deep like they are, you can only hope our currency gets stronger because all those treasuries they own are going to plummet them as well. Every currency has taken a hit globally. One thing to remember is in the year 1900 China was the #2 Economy, today they are the #2 economy. What happens when nobody has the currency to buy their cheap goods? ....Once paper money goes down the toilet all that's left is hard assets and war games.



posted on Jan, 8 2011 @ 07:59 PM
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Why would you say this shooting set the patriot movement back? One nutjob will hardly affect that. On the contrary sir, it is the strongest it has been since the american revolution and gaining. Certainly not enough at this point to challenge a government, but hey something is better than nothing. Off topic whatever erase my post again.



posted on Jan, 8 2011 @ 08:06 PM
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Whatever the shooters motivation there will definitely be an extreme backlash for the following reason. The Congressman was born and raised into the 'Ruling Class' - and the ruling class is terrified by the idea that some 'nobody' peasant can just pop out of nowhere and kill them. They will very soon begin to move Heaven and Earth to prevent this.

Of course this could be the classic 'Synthesis' that was desired all along if the event were in fact a false flag. Either way they will depend on the event itself to provide justification and emotional cover by framing it as the loss of innocence. If that were the case the most dangerous time is just ahead for the Congressman as she would not have been meant to live, in which case she will not.



posted on Jan, 8 2011 @ 08:10 PM
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Originally posted by pirhanna

That's a bit off topic.
But since you brought it out. Another way to greatly reduce or altogether eliminate that would be to end prohibition. Do you work for DHS or something? Now I'm all for stopping violence at any level, but do you really want a completely controlled 24 hour surveillance police state?

Now back to the topic - in one way or another this was a political assassination attempt, which is obviously going to make the news. That's just the way it is.



Actually since the shooter was called a "pothead" by his classmates:

blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com...

...I believe I was completely on topic...and it seems as though they've brought back the drug rhetoric of "see this is what drugs make you do", hence my arguments about cracking down on ALL drug dealers in this country. It's not hard, they're everywhere, some might even be people you know who knowingly consume and traffic in illegal narcotics.

No, I do not wish to live in a 1984 styled "police state", no I don't work for DHS


I have a concealed handgun license, and would not hesitate to defend myself or others using deadly force only if it is the last resort, or if it were in a situation similar to this one. I suggest every citizen in this country arm themselves in the proper legal manner, maybe some of these situations could be avoided or at the worst cut short due to a responsible gun owner helping to save lives.
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posted on Jan, 8 2011 @ 08:13 PM
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If that is what he was getting at then yes I agree. How could you understand any of that garbage? Using disjointed logic and talking about creating your own currency and mind control? Dude obviously had a screw loose.



posted on Jan, 8 2011 @ 08:14 PM
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Proper legal manner..

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and "bear" arms shall not be infringed.

It doesn't get anymore proper than that.

edit on 8-1-2011 by WWJFKD because: emphasize bear

edit on 8-1-2011 by WWJFKD because: more emphasis on word bear



posted on Jan, 8 2011 @ 08:16 PM
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you must of read this:

www.amazon.com...

I love Robert Moss' book Dreamways of the Iroquois, another spiritual book.

Sadly, now good works like this may get maligned.

Don't confuse this psychopathic, delusional young man as some sort of martyr or messiah.

Many more dream than you think - i suspect he did not, and could not compensate.


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posted on Jan, 8 2011 @ 08:16 PM
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Just to interject: ATS Live broadcast discussing this right now.



posted on Jan, 8 2011 @ 08:18 PM
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As I posted on the other thread...



Originally posted by blupblup
I'm really interested in how this pans out.

What will the gunman end up being, I mean a Liberal nut, anarchist, loner, Hip-Hop/Metal fan, Communist, Atheist, Druggie...

I just wonder who or what will get the blame.

I can imagine a group of guys sat around discussing who their target group is right now.... picking groups out of a hat.





posted on Jan, 8 2011 @ 08:21 PM
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Alright, I have not read through all of this, but just want to post some observations here:

1. She is a gun rights advocate, so it's highly unlikely that this was about that, unless a gun control person did this to try and get people to think it was a gun rights person responsible. Gun rights people know who is on their side.

2. Her political views are not as clear cut as one might think. She's a Democrat, but, besides being for gun RIGHTS, she voted against Pelosi being Speaker, and also spoke against Obama for not sending enough National Guard to the border. She seems far from a radical left-wing type. Maybe she was targeted, but maybe it wasn't the suspects one might first think.

3. Many people, including some high officials, keep talking about her in the past tense, though she is still, as of quite recent reports, still alive. That's a little disturbing.

4. They speak of another suspect, and there is supposed to be a photo, but this photo isn't being released to the news, so that the public could possibly inform police where that suspect is sighted? Very strange, eh? I can't think of but one reason they would not reveal a photo, and that would be if they know the face is known, and not likely to be someone that this kid would have had associations with.

I have a couple of other ideas on this, but I am not posting them.



posted on Jan, 8 2011 @ 08:22 PM
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If you notice, you people are still talking about currencies and other crap that was on the video. It was designed to bypass your normal information sorting in your brain and plant the information right into your subconscious. The video worked.

It is designed to help seed distrust in the currency other things.

Understand when your mind is being toyed with.

I have seen the exact same crap on environmentalist websites.

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posted on Jan, 8 2011 @ 08:23 PM
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Whether or not it gets politicized by the politicians it sure looks like people are politicizing it. Even her own father seems to blame the Whole Tea Party.

Just to bring up "Pro Gun" and "Tea Party" in connection with this incident will give the Obama administration a foot in the door to pushing more horrific gun control and socialistic policy. Too many people are "sheep" and just jump on band wagons so they have a cause to be a champion for despite the fact that what they're "for" is completely anti-american and damaging to our country.



posted on Jan, 8 2011 @ 08:23 PM
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What happened with Napolitano???



posted on Jan, 8 2011 @ 08:33 PM
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What Happened - ABCnews.go.com

The self igniting package(s).



posted on Jan, 8 2011 @ 08:33 PM
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Originally posted by Rasch
Whether or not it gets politicized by the politicians it sure looks like people are politicizing it. Even her own father seems to blame the Whole Tea Party.

Just to bring up "Pro Gun" and "Tea Party" in connection with this incident will give the Obama administration a foot in the door to pushing more horrific gun control and socialistic policy. Too many people are "sheep" and just jump on band wagons so they have a cause to be a champion for despite the fact that what they're "for" is completely anti-american and damaging to our country.


Isn't that what you just did with your post?



posted on Jan, 8 2011 @ 08:33 PM
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Originally posted by Rasch
Whether or not it gets politicized by the politicians it sure looks like people are politicizing it. Even her own father seems to blame the Whole Tea Party.

Just to bring up "Pro Gun" and "Tea Party" in connection with this incident will give the Obama administration a foot in the door to pushing more horrific gun control and socialistic policy. Too many people are "sheep" and just jump on band wagons so they have a cause to be a champion for despite the fact that what they're "for" is completely anti-american and damaging to our country.



This may be a bold statement, because I've never been shot before but, "Guns don't kill people, people kill people."
I think the mentality of a person is whats dangerous, when talking about gun control, because you have to be respectful and responsible, when you handle weapons. Some crazy people just don't care or don't understand the ramifications of killing someone.



posted on Jan, 8 2011 @ 08:33 PM
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Polarization: This is a terrible effect on the American population. Read on negotiation and military tactics and you'll see this crop up ... make your enemies fight each other and then you can watch and clean up the stragglers after it's over.

Rome had the Colosseum to distract the mob and America has professional sports. Since America has taken a lot of the power out of religious polarization the politicians have picked up the slack. Democrat and Republican are the new religions that we'll fight over.



posted on Jan, 8 2011 @ 08:36 PM
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''If the shooter was a victim of government mind control, he will most likely hang himself within the next couple of days. For that matter if the government was involved at all, he will hang himself, be hung and called suicide, or there will be a Jack Ruby popping up. Either way it should be complete within 48 hours. ''

EssenSieMich

That would depend on which Govt. was doing the mind controlling - if it were say Iran it would be a whole new ballgame...


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posted on Jan, 8 2011 @ 08:36 PM
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Divide and conquer - exactly! No matter the subject of the quarrel just make sure there is a quarrel! Star for you...




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