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Narco gangs have opened a new front in South America's expanding drug war by seizing control of parts of northern Guatemala, prompting the government to suspend civil liberties and declare a state of siege in the area.
Hundreds of soldiers have reinforced police units in an offensive against a Mexican cartel known as the Zetas which is said to have overrun Alta Verapaz province.
The mayhem has deepened alarm that Mexico's drug war has spilled across southern neighbours and corrupted state
Originally posted by DontLegalizeDecriminalize
If only they would smoke a little of the weed they are growing, they might see what they are doing to the world. But to be fair, like 95% of cannabis from across the border is dirt brown shwag, so it'd probably only give them a headache and make them more pissed off.
What I don't understand is how some coked out scrubs with expensive weapons can legitimately hold off and put up a fight against the well-trained military, and also the police force of those areas. You'd think they would just randomly spray those weapons in the general direction of their foes since most likely they have little to no training, while the trained personnel would actually use some tactics to get rid of them.edit on 8-1-2011 by DontLegalizeDecriminalize because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by d00d557
reply to post by DevilJin
Well I do not think I can put all your points I disagree with here. However I will address a few. The narcos do not serve a purpose for anything more than their own personal gain. Not for "chaos" as you said. Secondly how is murdering other people regardless of their affiliation not self destruction? Yes many times these people are on drugs. Thirdly it is not so much guerilla warfare as simple hit and run tactics, they do not use IED`s. Which is made even more effective by the fact they do not have uniforms and the police/military forces here (save the marina) are terribly outmatched/ineffective. This is exacerbated by the fact that the army/police/marina all refuse to collaborate and share information between each other. Most of the narcos do not have military backgrounds, of course there are exceptions such as the Zetas which sprouted from ex-special forces mexican military. However many in the military (the army being the worst) have been hopelessly infiltrated by the narcos. The United States is not unwilling to help mexico. That is a load of horse#, they gave the marina info on where Beltran Leyva was hiding out to the army first, but they refused to act. Then they gave the information to the marina who did act. There has been much aid from the US. Just not sufficiently so. It is a very sticky situation because the Mexicans do not want to admit they lack the resources and are too proud to ask for such levels of assistance from the USA. I believe eventually after much more destruction and the narcos have gained an even firmer foothold in mexico and elsewhere we will step in and handle this situation correctly. Also the propoganda for the drug war is very much the same here (mexico) as it is back home. They post all these stories up about pushing the narcos back and destroying their infrastructure, when in reality they are as strong as ever if not more so. You can kill one, but 10 more will fill their place. There is much evidence to indicate infiltration in almost every level of the mexican government.edit on 8-1-2011 by d00d557 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by d00d557
reply to post by DevilJin
Just giving us tin foil hats a bad name honestly. No sir the burden of proof rests on you. Give us some proof this this is all orchestrated from behind the scenes in order to keep these nations in the state they are in. Of course it is our problem as well. We are the drug market they are trying to satiate. Also all our damn weapons end up on the other side of the border. I think you are a bit too idealistic. I am down here in Mexico and see it with my own eyes. Grant it I do not make meetings with the zetas or sinaloa cartel on a bimonthly basis, however I have a better idea than you do having never been across the border. You give them too much credit. I will roughly estimate that no more than 30% of the drug trafficking forces have military training or leadership. They are not self training militias. They are laymen who take up arms and form trafficking groups to assassinate, extort, and kill whoever they need to to get their paycheck. The only ones with reputed miltary leadership were the Zetas. Which I will give you that they are much more advanced in their methods of operation and tactics than the army or police is. I am sure that they are all straight edge and swear off of doing drugs. I bet they are very professional in their work. No wey no puedes tomar nada de drugas. Somos hombres de negocios. Please man. I am not going to argue they all take drugs all the time but it is only logical. Oh I have these couple hundred kilos of coc aine I had better not touch any of it.
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Originally posted by Night Star
I agree that something needs to be done. The U.S. could have closed its borders a long time ago and has done very little to solve this problem.