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Obama Eyeing Internet ID for Americans

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posted on Jan, 8 2011 @ 07:56 AM
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Obama Eyeing Internet ID for Americans


www.cbsnews.com

President Obama is planning to hand the U.S. Commerce Department authority over a forthcoming cybersecurity effort to create an Internet ID for Americans

It's "the absolute perfect spot in the U.S. government" to centralize efforts toward creating an "identity ecosystem" for the Internet

Schmidt stressed today that anonymity and pseudonymity will remain possible on the Internet. "I don't have to get a credential if I don't want to," he said. There's no chance that "a centralized database
(visit the link for the full news article)




posted on Jan, 8 2011 @ 07:56 AM
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Smart guy eh?
Don't give it to NSA or DHS give to the dept. of Commerce.

Now take this article and couple it with this one
Terrorist watch list: One tip now enough to put name in database, officials say
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Don't you get warm fuzzy feelings?
Let's say you get into a debate, maybe a conservative vs. a liberal and things are said, and BAM!
Your name is in a database, easy with the Internet ID, and you are on a terror watch list

Oh you feel that this is far fetched?

Hell... I think an Internet ID is far fetched but it who knows.

I really hope that this does not happen, zero privacy is what we'll get if it does

www.cbsnews.com
(visit the link for the full news article)
edit on 8-1-2011 by ModernAcademia because: (no reason given)



posted on Jan, 8 2011 @ 08:16 AM
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Originally posted by ModernAcademia
Schmidt stressed today that anonymity and pseudonymity will remain possible on the Internet.


Suuuure *sarcastic eye roll*



posted on Jan, 8 2011 @ 08:27 AM
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Don't believe a word of it. This is how these things always start out. They've got to 'soft sell' the whole thing at first to make people buy into it. Once they've got the door opened just a crack,then they rip away the curtain and unleash the monster they've created and hid backstage on the unsuspecting masses.

I believe this to be the tip of the iceberg. Soon,all forms of ID will probably be tied together into some sort of biometric/RFID/scan card that would be used to access everything and can track,monitor and corral you electronically by remote. One day you have access to something,the next day you don't. Every conceivable type of authority figure,including your employer,would know your whereabouts in near real-time.

While I'm only taking a wild guess with my statement above,I shudder to think where this will lead to in reality. The noose is on and tightening and yet they still keep adding more nooses to people's necks. I guess one just isn't enough.









edit on 8-1-2011 by FlyingJadeDragon because: wording.

edit on 8-1-2011 by FlyingJadeDragon because: wording.



posted on Jan, 8 2011 @ 08:32 AM
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Frog, pot, boiling water. . . .

BUT!!!!!

That'll mean a whole new market for phony ID cards.
cha-ching!



posted on Jan, 8 2011 @ 08:34 AM
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The comments section on the source article make me happy. There was only one or two "good we need the government to protect us from ourselves" comments out of 6 or so pages - the rest were anti-big brother comments.

I refer back to what Google CEO Schmidt said a few months ago: Schmidt's message at the Techonomy Conference was that anonymity is a dangerous thing and governments will demand an end to it.

I am opposed to regulating the internet. Our ISPs know who we are, that should be enough. Why do we need more laws and more control placed over us? For what end? Because "passwords are too hard to remember?" It's enraging.



posted on Jan, 8 2011 @ 08:37 AM
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Why? Is the internet broken? How on earth did we survive the last decade without the internet ID. Why is he trying to control ID on the internet? I do not trust internet banking so I walk down to the bank or telephone them. And more importantly!!!!!

Doesn't POTUS have anything more pressing to resolve? (Hint) The wealth of the nation? J.O.Bs,. Etc??

I am getting past disappointment.


PS I forgot HOW much will it cost the individual and the country?
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posted on Jan, 8 2011 @ 08:40 AM
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Such malarky. A license for the internet before licenses for parents? What a crock. It is not important enough for me to have the net that I would shell out for a license. I would cancel first.



posted on Jan, 8 2011 @ 08:42 AM
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People need to realize this is Obama. He will try to put on a moderate face because the election is coming up but he will try to put in place his Progressive agenda through regulation at agencies like this one or the EPA.

The problem is Progressives are not honest about their feelings towards the Constitution. For instance Obama said in a 2001 radio interview that the Constitution was fundamentally flawed because it restrains Government and it doesn't talk about the redistribution of wealth. Obama said this but Progressives will try to swear up and down he didn't mean or really say this.

The Founders restrained Government because they didn't want one man or Government telling people how to live their lives. They wanted that left to the individual not Government.

Progressives think they can bring about social justice through redistribution of wealth. They think they can fix the imbalance they see through regulation.

The imbalance they see is freedom. In a free society some will fail and some will succeed and you can't regulate sucess through Government. You can't equalize this imbalance through government because you will have to try and control behavior through regulation and then you move from freedom and liberty to a dictatorship.

If the Progressives were honest about their disdain for the Constitution because it ties the hand of their Progressive ideology, we could have an honest debate in this Country. Obama and the Progressives don't want their ideology restrained because they feel it's so great and Americans will be happy once it's imposed on them.

They don't realize that in a society built on freedom and liberty their will be an imbalance that you can't regulate through Big Government.
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posted on Jan, 8 2011 @ 08:53 AM
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Originally posted by againuntodust

I refer back to what Google CEO Schmidt said a few months ago: Schmidt's message at the Techonomy Conference was that anonymity is a dangerous thing and governments will demand an end to it.


Google's CEO knows that premium services made to protect identity, anonymity (online) and reputation protection (online) are going to be the next big thing for them.

They already have an incredible amount of data stored on every user... If you want that protected then download this ____________________ here for a free trial!




posted on Jan, 8 2011 @ 08:57 AM
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Internet ID? But isn't that what IP addresses are for? Aren't you smart Obama....



posted on Jan, 8 2011 @ 08:58 AM
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"You are internet user Misoir sure we have your bank account information, address, recent search history, and name."

"Oh wow that is great, how simple that is and it saved me time. Thanks’ Obama!
"

Look we as Americans want our privacy, a lot of us want our security as well, and most of us want quick access to our information. However with the quick access and security comes the violation of our privacy. Many Americans are actually coming to this realization that security needs a healthy proportional balance with privacy.

What this would do is effectively implement 'security' over privacy and at the same time provide them with the opportunity to not only violate our privacy but also violate our rights through potentially tracking us, labeling us, and conducting illegal searches.

While I do not believe they will seriously violate our rights as extensively as most of the members of ATS since they would have no need and most definitely not the time to track even 100,000 people. It wouldn't be as violating to our rights but it would still be a violation nonetheless.

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posted on Jan, 8 2011 @ 09:01 AM
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I like the word play in this line,,,

Schmidt stressed TODAY that anonymity and pseudonymity will remain possible on the Internet.


What will tomorrow bring?



posted on Jan, 8 2011 @ 09:02 AM
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Will someone please tell this idiot that he is 'President' of a crumbling nation.

Aside from some roadwork I haven't seen a godamn thing this d-bag has done for this nation except continue the downward spiral boy bush, clinton, dad bush, and whoever was telling reagan what to do started.

An internet ID, seriously? Our countries infastructure is deteriorating rapidly yet this is the focus?! Need I even mention Wikileaks?!! I mean sheesh YOU CANT EVEN KEEP YOUR TOP SECRET FILES SAFE AND YOU WANT TO PROTECT ME FROM WHAT NOW??!!

Whoever writes what spews from Obama's mouth has lost touch with reality.

Good luck with this one big brother, I think you're showing the puppet strings a little to much with this one tho.



posted on Jan, 8 2011 @ 09:04 AM
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I agree with hotbakedtater, and I'm sure there are many on the net who would do the same. With all the other things wrong the country, this ranks pretty low on the gotta do list. One more thing to be able to track us. It seems Obama and the DHS cannot stand the idea of Americans having any sort of privacy, and are scrambling for ways to monitor and control us.



posted on Jan, 8 2011 @ 09:10 AM
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Isn't it amazing how much liberty and freedom one man can destroy?
The first step in Obama's "Pink Terror".



posted on Jan, 8 2011 @ 09:13 AM
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Originally posted by Misoir
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What this would do is effectively implement 'security' over privacy and at the same time provide them with the opportunity to not only violate our privacy but also violate our rights through potentially tracking us, labeling us, and conducting illegal searches.


If you believe that any security or privacy exists currently on the internet, then you'd be a fool.

There are few if any good ways left to get online with complete anonymity... And the average Joe and Jane will never have that, find it or really need it.

What the feds would ultimately like to see is a system where any user has ONE and only ONE log on to the internet once an internet connection (anywhere) is established, the user must log on through a secure system and for all of their online activity will remain logged in and identified no matter where they go, while accessing secure pages all with a simple authentication code (you are already logged in). In the end YOU are responsible for everything that is done online with your logged in connection. But what if your connection is hijacked?



They will cause more security problems with this than they will prevent.



posted on Jan, 8 2011 @ 09:17 AM
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I had the urge during the creation of the thread to say "Obama voters first"
But that would not have been productive

However people should at least understand that this is nowhere from being close to a high priority

Obama is far more dangerous than Bush
Bush was Bush, Obama is Bush with a smile
Obama is Bush but with his family all smiling on calendars
People at my work have Obama's face printed with Martin Luther King Jr hanging on their cubile walls

He's Bush with respect, that is very dangerous!!!


Originally posted by Fractured.Facade
If you believe that any security or privacy exists currently on the internet, then you'd be a fool.

Between privacy and spying there's red tape
With Internet IDs they are bypassing ISPs
So yes it's quite a change, it now becomes real-time tracking on the internet

Completely different from what we have now

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posted on Jan, 8 2011 @ 09:19 AM
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While I'm only taking a wild guess with my statement above,I shudder to think where this will lead to in reality. The noose is on and tightening and yet they still keep adding more nooses to people's necks. I guess one just isn't enough.


It is not a wild guess. Most of the structure needed to turn the USA into a slave state is already in place.

The traitors in Congress have been setting us up for years. I detail a lot of it in the last post I made HERE

Briefly: What the Banksters/Corporate Cartel is REALLY after is OUR LAND.

Over 40% of US land is farmland. Over 22 million people are employed in farm or farm-related jobs U.S. farmers produce 46% of the world’s soybeans, 41% of the world’s corn, 20.5% of the world’s cotton and 13% of the world’s wheat. Agricultural products account for over 10% of the US export dollar. If you control the world's food supply you have complete control, just ask any military leader.

The Ag cartel has used tax subsidized grain from the EU and the USA to bankrupt foreign farmers. Clinton admitted this was intentional. For example 75% of the farmers in Mexico have been wiped out. Now they are targeting the USA and the EU. Laws similar to the one just past by Congress wipedout 60% of the farmers in Portugal and that was NOT during a depression!

The tools for land confiscation is the recent triple whammy.
1. The orchestrated real estate collapse:

2. The proposed confiscation of American's personal saving that will prohibit individuals from investing in land.


3. The Food Safety Farce that has just been enacted into law.

Please understand farmers have ONE buyer, the Food Cartel who sets the price they will pay the farmer. This means the added cost of the new regulations can not be passed on to the consumer.


As if that is not enough of a blow the Obamacare law contained a new tax regulation.

Please understand Small Business is what is keeping the USA alive. 17% of US workforce is employed by the Federal government. Over fifty percent work for small businesses. This means less than 30% of the US workforce actually work for large corporations who can handle lots of new paperwork easily.



Section 9006 of the health care bill -- just a few lines buried in the 2,409-page document -- mandates that beginning in 2012 all companies will have to issue 1099 tax forms not just to contract workers but to any individual or corporation from which they buy more than $600 in goods or services in a tax year.

The stealth change radically alters the nature of 1099s and means businesses will have to issue millions of new tax documents each year....

The bill makes two key changes to how 1099s are used. First, it expands their scope by using them to track payments not only for services but also for tangible goods. Plus, it requires that 1099s be issued not just to individuals, but also to corporations.... money.cnn.com...


The IRS requires that you get the EIN or SS# at the time of the transaction, not just at tax-filing time. This means you have to demand good old WALLYMART give you its EIN BEFORE you can buy anything! Of course all of this new found money, estimated at 300 billion, goes to the Banksters to pay the interest on the fraudulent "National Debt" Debt from the Fed loaning the US government thin air. (40% of the Federal Debt is owned by the FED)

Can you hear that giant sucking sound? It s the banksters sucking the last drops of wealth from the USA.

As they drive our small businesses and farmers into bankruptcy with these two new laws, they do NOT want people to understand what is happening and organizing. This is the real reason for the internet ID.



posted on Jan, 8 2011 @ 09:22 AM
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Does anyone really need an internet though? I refuse to be shackled to something like this. First a license then a knock on the door? Screw that stuff. There is nothing that could compel me to buy into this, it is pure governemnt and pig control tactics. It would ruint he internet for me anyway. I use it for entertainment. I WOULD miss my netflix, but I am certain I would recover.




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