40 Percent Of All U.S. Doctors Plan To Bail Out Of The Profession Over The Next Three Years

One thing to consider in all of this is that the 40% may be corrupt and want out before they get caught or can no longer fleece the system as they have been.

In Canada we have Medicare for the needs of all citizens. However the last time I went to the doctor there was a fee list on her wall descibing how much certain functions would cost up front.

I had to pay $40 out of pocket just to have her fill out a required form for a job. The problem is that she still took my Medicare Number.

Any bets on her having filed expenses for the visit?

Having several members of my family working in the medical field, I have heard countless stories of double billing, bogus billing and planning procedures based on the maximum price that can be unquestionablly billed versus the service that is provided based on the patient's actual need.

Corruption is rampant in all aspects of our world, 40% of doctors would be about the right number.

Medicine used to be a calling, now it is just a paycheck.

Isn't socialism GREAT!!

reply to post by sonofliberty1776
The real reason the doctors are bailing out is that the ultra-greedy conservatives promised then mega-payments for doing healing only on the wealty (1 mil. and above) and the wealthy insurance cos. would deny everyone else health coverage. "Less work, more money" is their creed. But the new health care laws will make them work harder and for more equatable pay, which for them means no more mansions by the sea or in the mountains. No more 3 day work weeks, expensive cars, month long vacations in Hawaii, exclusive golf club memberships, and wives dripping in diamonds all of which was paid for by the lives of the uninsured who could not afford to pay.

The truth is doctors can do very little for a persons health.For every ailment there is a homeopathic cure.Nature gives us the remedies for everything.If people from around the world could all share their home remedies,who needs doctors.Doctors and hospitals are great at emptying out your bank account though.The average emergency room visit costs half a years salary.

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Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1

As to mental and intellectual proficiency myiq is between 150 - 170 which makes me smarter then roughly 7,5 - 7,9 people out of 10 so that makes what I say as fact. I think about stuff like this all day every day.

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Do you mind if I use your quote as my signature?

By the way the average IQ is 85-100 with a standard deviation of 15. Which would make you smarter than 99.9999% of the entire population or 999,999 out of 1 million people. Congrats you are a member of the smartest 250 people in America.

Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
The recent Healthcare Reform law is not the problem and to try and cite that means you should see a doctor. Regulation keeps people safe and healthy and makes damn sure that a product will do what it is being advertised to do.

You keep drinkin that koolaid son (gubbermint gubbermint is the answer) ...oh and do continue with all the name calling it really helps persuade people to accept your opinionated claims.

Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
To the brain dead who feels that it's ok for an insurance provider to deny you coverage when you are sick is sick in the head mentally.

To the brain dead who feels it's ok that your insurance provider can drop you for whatever reason it wanted (prior to this law they didn't even need a legitimate reason) have mental issues.

Since that law was passed millions of kids are still alive and many more have insurance.

Any proof of these assertions other than a few anecdotes from Whoopi and Joy Behar? My wife works in a large area hospital.Nobody is denied care.its against the law ( pre obamination!) Hospitals have always worked things out and charged the rest of us to cover.

I f you are really concerned about providing free health care Why couldn't they provide "free healthcare"? just open up free hospitals?or expand existing VA centers and open em up to the folks who need'em.?

Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
When does the size of one's bank account dictate if they got coverage? Medical care is the inaliable right of every citizen.

and food! and housing! and really nice german cameras...

Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
Socialism means the people come first and not the corporations, Socialism makes sure that cache of pills you take in the morning is safe and won't kill you, Socialism keeps your local FD, PD, EMS made constantly available to you.

Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
Next time your house burns do not dare call your local socialistic fire department to put it out, next time there is an intruder in your home do not dare call your local socialistic police department. Next time your elderly parent falls and gets injured do not dare call the paramedics, let them lie on the floor and die! Next time your kid needs paramedics let them get sick and die. Socialism provides for hospitals, police departments, fire departments. Next time there is a downed power line don't call the power company to come in and fix it, next time your street gets dumped with a meter of snow do not call your local Dept Of Public Works to have it removed, don't put your garbage out on the curb because Social programs enables someone in a truck to come by to pick it up.

Not hardly. fire departments All started out local and volunteer.The govt got involved to standardize hose coupling threads and force service to those who didn't contributeto their local company.

Why Do you think we need govt to provide what we need???

If Bayer Aspirin killed people( due to poor quality control) do you think anybody would buy it anymore???
The FDA is a huge money making scheme with big pharma.
heres your Govt " safe drug"agency the FDA; who's representatives work directly for big pharma.

Screw your "the "govt" is here to help you" attitude:
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To those that can't stand the fact that this nation is now taking care of it's own and not covering Wall St every time they get a bug up their tail seriously needs to relinquish their American citizenship as you clearly do not deserve it.

Not exactly your place to make to make that call.You sure are pretty sure of your position.
Well it may not happen; but if and when this gets shoved backup the O-mans posterior this vet will be giggling his own furry red one off. and I deserve my citzenship I assure you.

We will not survive a transition to the expected U.N. euro style state. Perhaps O.P. should pack up his tent...

If the govt didn't put a monopoly on those services private businesses would spring up (hey "jobs" again remember those?!) to fill each and everyone of those needs.

Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
The real "Death Panels" as Palin was harking on is some moron on the phone 1,000 miles away staring at a cpu screen determining who qualifies for what coverage and gave more power to the people to take charge over their healthcare.

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B.S. we Americans have established a litigous lawsuit happy society where its always somebody elses fault and they're gonna pay.So insurance is ridiculous. of course we are going to offshore our doctors.

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Makes sense with up incoming global disater who would want to be a doctor with all the fema camps that they know they`ll have to work at,nope they`ll be in the underground bases with TPTB ,whats more precious than GOLD resources using GOLD and people in the know,those with no academic knowledge are expendable,sorry,just stating fact.Infact anyone with a brain would know that,thats why in the UK they want to descriminate against the disabled so they`ll die of quicker as well as the elderly.really people need to wake up and smell the odours coming from the organizations its some gas.

hitory of fire depts ( us):

However the United States did not have government-run fire departments until around the time of the American Civil War. Prior to this time, private fire brigades compete with one another to be the first to respond to a fire because insurance companies paid brigades to save buildings.[citation needed] Underwriters also employed their own Salvage Corps in some cities. The first known female firefighter Molly Williams took her place with the men on the dragropes during the blizzard of 1818 and pulled the pumper to the fire through the deep snow.

Fire houses were a sort of social gathering place rather than a place where professionals would meet, and the money paid to the brigade went into the house's fund rather than to individual members. It was not all that uncommon to see someone "squatting" on a fire hydrant by placing a barrel over it so other fire brigades could not use it.[citation needed]

en.wikipedia.org...
Geez a hundred years without govt paid firemen("socialism") ....How in the world did we ever survive?

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Says it all professionals vanish and normal joe shmos do the work to try and save each other,i know with my intellect what I`d do,leave them to it and stock up with everything medically i`d need through bogus patient scripts and sign the official secrets act.
never mind one day it will be more obvious,no more blindness.

Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1

Originally posted by BigTimeCheater
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Wise beyond your years? Evidently not.

The Constitution provides no authority for the government to act in a socialistic manner.

Government is very limited by the Constitution, but sadly they have overstepped their bounds long ago.

If you are so knowledgeable, perhaps you could explain how you came to believe a statement in the preamble conveys any powers.

The preamble confers no powers whatsoever, it is merely an introduction.

Again, educate yourself on a topic before trying to debate it. By the sound of it, you need years of education on the Constitution in order to intelligently discuss it.

Big Government at times is needed to keep the sharks at bay to prevent them from eating the smaller fish. How does someone with a median income of less then $30k a year fight a lobbying group whose bank account rivals that of small nations? The Doc never made it legal for larger companies to drown out that of the smaller groups.

Government's job is to be the big, bad entity that keeps these kinds of companies up at night living in fear. How many more livelyhoods must be destroyed before someone gives a flip about the average American?

As to mental and intellectual proficiency myiq is between 150 - 170 which makes me smarter then roughly 7,5 - 7,9 people out of 10 so that makes what I say as fact. I think about stuff like this all day every day.

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I just found this particular post
The "Govts job" is to provide for the common defense and little else.

And This part: "so that makes what I say as fact. I think about stuff like this all day every day." and the statement referring to the constitution
BWAHAHAHA tells me you are15,clueless, and watch too much Joy Behar and liberal propaganda.

Frickin' Old Uncle Albert Eeinstein could say: excuse me Zir: " Ze ripe banana on ze table invront ov me is "red"! and say something completely not true.Your Hi IQ justification is bogus and at the same time revealing. "

which is the problem with "socialists "
they all fancy themselves intellectuals...

of the workforce in the US about 40% don't make it working to retirement working.

Many fall victim to ether on the job injuries or disabilities from toxins in the workplace.

I am one of those.

I have sarcoidosis and neurosarcoidosis.

the three occupations with the highest rates of sarcoidosis are, 1 working in the medical field, 2 firefighters, 3 US Navy personal.

Guess what i worked in the medical field as a EMT. I also worked as a Volunteer firefighter, And i am US Navy veteran.

Of the people i went to high school with about 30% no longer work due to disablities, many traced to the workplace.

Guess who pays for many of these disabled. not the businesses that disabled them. not the companies that exposed them to toxins.
The taxpayers pay social security disability and in many cases through medicare the taxpayers pay for there medical care not the companies that disabled them.

I get a veterans disability pension. But in my case the taxpayers would have had to pay anyway.
I also get free medical care through the VA a taxpayers expense.
I have since i was age 53.

Obama care never covered the workplace disabled and its the part that will cost the taxpayers bigtime.
and they now want to raise the retirement age for social security so it sound like the government will save money. think again the number of disabled will raise and the number of people the government and the taxpayers are paying for will raise.

And the companies in the US get another big win in transfuring the cost of the people they disable to the taxpayers.
And under the government trying to save money they will keep trying to pay doctors less ad less to treat these people. as they are doing with medicare.

Originally posted by bubbaron
reply to post by sonofliberty1776

 

The real reason the doctors are bailing out is that the ultra-greedy conservatives promised then mega-payments for doing healing only on the wealty (1 mil. and above) and the wealthy insurance cos. would deny everyone else health coverage. "Less work, more money" is their creed. But the new health care laws will make them work harder and for more equatable pay, which for them means no more mansions by the sea or in the mountains. No more 3 day work weeks, expensive cars, month long vacations in Hawaii, exclusive golf club memberships, and wives dripping in diamonds all of which was paid for by the lives of the uninsured who could not afford to pay.

Is there a single bit of verifiable truth in that rant? Unless you are a bailing doctor I would say you have absolutely no clue what the "REAL reason is.
So now theres: "greedy"
"ultra-greedy"
Mega-greedy"?
super-mega -greedy?
You seem to be a wellspring of facts . What does a medical education cost( in dollars?)?I had to look it up:

Unlike many other countries, US medical students finance their education with personal debt. In 1992, the average debt of a medical doctor after residency, for those graduating with debt, was $25,000. For the Class of 2009, the average debt of a medical student is $157,990, with 25.1% of students having debt in excess of $200,000 (prior to residency). For the past decade, tuition prices have increased 5-6% each year- it is not clear what has caused these increases.[14]

Medical schools do not have accounting transparency, so it is difficult to pin-point the root cause of tuition increases.[15] Medical education is still based on the 2 + 2 model posited by the 100 year old Flexner report. Some have suggested that the medical education role of medical schools has been subordinated to the patient care and research missions of the academic health center.[16][17]

A current economic theory suggests that increasing borrowing limits have been the cause of the increased tuition. As medical students are allowed to borrow more, medical schools raise tuition prices to maximally increase revenue. Studies show that schools raise prices 97 cents for each one dollar increase in borrowing capacity.[18]

There is no consensus on whether the level of debt carried by medical students has a strong effect on their choice of medical specialty. Dr. Herbert Pardes and others have suggested that medical school debt has been a direct cause of the US primary care shortage.[19] Some research suggests that for a sub-set of debt sensitive medical students, this is certainly the case. For most students, debt is but one consideration in choosing a residency. Whatever the cause may be, the 2008 Family Medicine Residency match filled only 44% of available slots with US graduates, down from the 1984 level of 98%.[20]

en.wikipedia.org...
Do you think Dr.s should be able to pay off these costs?( plus interest?)


Your post smacks of hey Look what he's got I don;'t have that it's not fair...

Originally posted by DrChuck

Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1

As to mental and intellectual proficiency myiq is between 150 - 170 which makes me smarter then roughly 7,5 - 7,9 people out of 10 so that makes what I say as fact. I think about stuff like this all day every day.

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Do you mind if I use your quote as my signature?

By the way the average IQ is 85-100 with a standard deviation of 15. Which would make you smarter than 99.9999% of the entire population or 999,999 out of 1 million people. Congrats you are a member of the smartest 250 people in America.

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90 - 120 is average while Hawking is about 225.

To others,

Wayoutthere , Corporatism and capitalism are threats to democracy when it is left unregulated and unchequed.

cimvelvet,
1 Big Pharm has had Govt in it's backpocket for a few decades now and fought reform every step of the way. Regulation keeps products safe because without it that new circular saw would not have the blade protector that automatically activates.

2 Companies that put profits before people should collapse to allow for a new company to come in that actually will treat someone without demanding to know every single aspect about your life before they will treat you.

3. The recent Healthcare reform law tried to get activated a National Insurance Exchange but the brain dead GOP and the Big Insurance Lobby firms got it successfully shot down and if you don't recognize the play that was perpitraited by the insurance lobby was "How dare you try to regulate and allow competition for us and btw, for attempting to regulate us we will spike everyone's insurance so that Govt takes the blame and not us". IE, they got caught gouging and as a little kid throwing a temper tantrum spiked everyone's rates as a result.

4. I've been aware of the Banking Dictatorship being perpitrated by The Federal Reserve and make no mistake that moves are already occurring (which will stay off of the media due to the sensitive nature of it) now.

Pervius, Carpal tunnel in a minute illness when being compared to say, a lost limb. That was the VA of yesteryear which is no more. Every single time a Vets health bill comes up the draconian GOP works to kill it because it will level the playing field on healthcare costs.

DrChuck, Remove my handle from your sig please. Another sheep who will never know beyond what is written for them.

46ACE, You will never learn beyond what has already been written for you. The current "Healthcare Panels" is you, your doctor and your family as you now have the authoruty to dictate your own coverage and not some moron on a phone 1,000 miles away.

Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
The recent law that was passed was to streamline the process by attempting to establish a national medical database whereas all you needed was the name, dob, social and addy and all the person's medical files would've been immediately available at the touch of a button but some brain dead idiots saw this as an intrusion upon personal freedoms and got this portion axed hence why you must do 2 hours of paperwork per paitent

No that does nothing at all. That allows me to review thier history etc. I STILL must document the care I provided in detail. I can access a patient 10000 page chart and spend days pouring over it but I still have to CYA about what I did. Its a different concept.

Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
To others,

Wayoutthere , Corporatism and capitalism are threats to democracy when it is left unregulated and unchequed.

cimvelvet,

2 Companies that put profits before people should collapse to allow for a new company to come in that actually will treat someone without demanding to know every single aspect about your life before they will treat you.

Any business is profit driven. Why should they care about people? It shouldn't be an obligation to care for others, thats a personal responsibility. If companies put people before profits, guess what, there would be no companies. Insurance companies are businesses too, they work for profit not charity. No one should be obligated or forced to give to charity.

You might say "who cares if they're losing money, they made enough, and people should come first", well, if they don't make enough they have to close shop. And those who do have the insurance and are dependent on it are at a loss too.

Now if everyone is getting sick, diabetic, hypertensive, obese, and all the complications that come with these conditions, which is literally countless, insurance companies are losing money. And the fact is, the conditions I listed are pandemic( I know this word is used for infections, but you know what I mean). When a third or more of the country is suffering from the listed conditions, the amount of money to maintain these conditions are astronomical since they are "treated" and "controlled" instead of cured.

We are always antagonizing the health care providers and the insurance entities while we forget that the first line of health care is oneself. If the entire country started exercising and eating healthier, the problem wouldn't go away but healthcare would be a lot more accessible. Health insurance wouldn't be costing an arm and a leg if the entire population became more healthy.

The population, believe it or not, has a responsibility to maintain their own health. Your looking at individual cases at a time, while insurance companies take a step back and look at the entire population as a whole. Don't get me wrong, it infuriates me when a patient becomes dropped by his provider because he has a condition that is very expensive to control. But its not a charity its a business, and profits come first if they want to stay in business.

DrChuck, Remove my handle from your sig please. Another sheep who will never know beyond what is written for them.

Alright, alright I 'll remove it. By the way the average is 100 with a standard deviation of 15. And since your a genius you can see that my assessment was right and your correction was at best negligent. I may be a sheep, but at least I'm not delusional.

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And if you didn't have any kind of care, you would of received nothing.

And then what?

Your single example is not indicative of an entire system.

So for those of you who are conveinantly using statistics to bash socialized medicine, the numbers of doctors leaving the field in droves started long before the President came into office.

Due to the high cost of education, and the aforementioned cost of medical insurance. Doctors are making less then ever. Due to the demands of the insurance companies, they are working more then ever.

Information for people contemplating

Miriam Harmatz, a lawyer in Miami, said: “My longtime primary care doctor left the practice of medicine five years ago because she could not make ends meet. The same thing happened a year later. Since then, many of the doctors I tried to see would not take my insurance because the payments were so low.”

NY times

Stubbs noted that underserved areas in the U.S. currently need almost 17,000 new primary care physicians even before Obama’s proposals are enacted.

thehill.com

If you had actually understood the healthcare reform instead of just enacting your already overused quips about it, you would know that included in the reform is legislation to help the already occurring doctor shortage.

chicago tribunereply to post by BigTimeCheater


Try watching the news before you make baseless personal attacks. Your the one who looks like a fool and a drama queen. This happened when Obama came into office.

But with Democrats now firmly in control of the White House and Congress, the party's leaders easily pushed through a $33 billion bill that is expected to provide government-subsidized insurance to 4 million mostly low-income children.

chicago tribune


For us actual posters, please try to respect the quality of the site and not respond with a bunch of smilies.