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posted on Jan, 8 2011 @ 09:40 AM
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Originally posted by wayouttheredude
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Socialism means the people come first and not the corporations, Socialism makes sure that cache of pills you take in the morning is safe and won't kill you, Socialism keeps your local FD, PD, EMS made constantly available to you.


That is rubbish. Corporations always exploit a monopoly position in any socialist state. State run corporations are the least efficient means of organization of the collective capital of the people. My local FD,PD, and EMS are all paid for by property taxes and use fees. That is land owners pay for it because they are the ones that benefit most from the services. Those who do not own property use these services as a free ride if they are to poor or pay a small fee if they are not.

Socialism does not make your pills any safer then the threat of law suits if they are found defective by the plaintiff's discovery. Legal recourse is paid for by the court systems users. Court cost are levied on the loser of the legal argument. That is what keeps your pills safe not socialism.



I've had in depth conversations with at least 15 mayors in my region over municipal spending items and can tell you that property taxes generates only enough revenue to maintan street sweepers, public parks, barbage/recycling pickup, road repairs and like 2 or 3 municipal agencies. A municipalities main sources of revenue are typically come from either through the purchasing of a tax ebatement period for a new multi million dollar construction project and via parking authourity. City taxes collected beyond that only provide enough to maintain municipal buildings and vehicles. Federal Dept Of Homeland Security funding provides enough to purchase new fire, pd, ems equipment. City sales taxes pay for the salries of cops, fire fighters. Last weeks snowstorm cost Jersey City, NJ 18 of 67 snowplows in it's fleet. As of now there may not be a way to finance new equipment.

One thing not too many people are aware of is that your property tax payment is based on 20 - 25% of what is the agreed "Fair market value" of your home, ie, your home is worth $500k, the valuation to determine your property tax would be about $125k thus saving the homeowner more then 300% off what the bill would've been if the full value of the house was factoered in.

One other thing is that 1 court may generate $1 Million in revenue for the city but after debts are paid, salaries to the court are paid, maitenance to the facility is paid the actual amount retained by the municipality is typically less then 10% hence why municipalities are constantly looking for new avenues to produce income.
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posted on Jan, 8 2011 @ 09:45 AM
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Originally posted by beezzer
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Look, it's obvious you want socialized medicine in the US. I get it. Your guy Obama worked overtime for that little gem. But I think differently. I'm into personal responsibility. I'm against any government that wants to tell you what to do. I'm against that kind of control.

But hey, if this is what you want then Obama must seem like Christmas to you.

Rock on my socialist friend!



I;m sure you have health insurance via either an employer or a spouse correct? Prior to this law they could drop you for whatever reason they felt like and you had no recouse. This makes it so that no provider can drop you ever. If you think that is bad the problem does not lie with Obama, The nation but lies with you.



posted on Jan, 8 2011 @ 09:52 AM
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So, forcing insurance companies to pay outrgeous medical fees solves the problem?
Point 1. The insurance companies will close shop. They won't make any money.
Point 2. The government steps in, and controls all aspects of your life. Don't eat bacon, not healthy, don't drink/smoke/eat red meat, we don't want you to have a heart attack!

Letf, right, who gives a rats patootie! It is government take-over of your life.



posted on Jan, 8 2011 @ 10:04 AM
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Originally posted by beezzer
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So, forcing insurance companies to pay outrgeous medical fees solves the problem?
Point 1. The insurance companies will close shop. They won't make any money.
Point 2. The government steps in, and controls all aspects of your life. Don't eat bacon, not healthy, don't drink/smoke/eat red meat, we don't want you to have a heart attack!

Letf, right, who gives a rats patootie! It is government take-over of your life.


Why do you feel it is wrong that people are actually being covered by insurance? Let those greedy comapnies go elsewhere and that will allow for a new company who puts people before profits comes in. There is an "OPT OUT" option installed in the bill meaning if you have coverage and like your current coverage this is not directed at you. Yet again someone else doing the bidding of the Multi Trillion Dollar A Year Insurance Lobby's work for them. The "Voting against your own interests" more then applies here.
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posted on Jan, 8 2011 @ 10:05 AM
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Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1

Since that law was passed millions of kids are still alive and many more have insurance.





Drama queen much?

You cant be serious with that crap.



posted on Jan, 8 2011 @ 10:06 AM
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It's a free market system for heavens sake! Now you're against companies trying to make money?
C'mon!
This is border-line communism now.



posted on Jan, 8 2011 @ 10:09 AM
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Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1

The Constitution guarantees that no person shall be made to go without.


Wow, time out. I am guessing you are either very young, or very ignorant. Perhaps both.

You clearly have no understanding of the Constitution whatsoever, and should really educate yourself on it before attempting to debate it.

The Constitution in no way guarantees no one should go without.

How one can even come close to taking that away from the Constitution clearly shows a level of ignorance on the topic that is absolutely astounding.



posted on Jan, 8 2011 @ 10:09 AM
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Originally posted by beezzer
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It's a free market system for heavens sake! Now you're against companies trying to make money?
C'mon!
This is border-line communism now.


I am forever for any company being allowed to make as much as they want, that is in part what keeps the economy going but at what point does putting profits before people become problem? Since these companies failed to "self regulate' themselves Govt had to step in.



posted on Jan, 8 2011 @ 10:12 AM
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Originally posted by BigTimeCheater

Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1

The Constitution guarantees that no person shall be made to go without.


Wow, time out. I am guessing you are either very young, or very ignorant. Perhaps both.

You clearly have no understanding of the Constitution whatsoever, and should really educate yourself on it before attempting to debate it.

The Constitution in no way guarantees no one should go without.

How one can even come close to taking that away from the Constitution clearly shows a level of ignorance on the topic that is absolutely astounding.


It never banned the Govt from adopting policies to make sure that the people are protected. You want to see Communisim go to China and ask an official does the Govt have the authourity to kill a kid if they want and they can.

I'd rather this nation be a socialist one then one who allows those to step on others. I will be 31 next week but am wise well beyond my years. The healthcare Reform law was demanded by more then 80% of the electorate and when that many people demand something action must be taken or else.
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posted on Jan, 8 2011 @ 10:17 AM
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Wise beyond your years? Evidently not.

The Constitution provides no authority for the government to act in a socialistic manner.

Government is very limited by the Constitution, but sadly they have overstepped their bounds long ago.

If you are so knowledgeable, perhaps you could explain how you came to believe a statement in the preamble conveys any powers.

The preamble confers no powers whatsoever, it is merely an introduction.

Again, educate yourself on a topic before trying to debate it. By the sound of it, you need years of education on the Constitution in order to intelligently discuss it.



posted on Jan, 8 2011 @ 10:17 AM
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Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1

Originally posted by beezzer
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It's a free market system for heavens sake! Now you're against companies trying to make money?
C'mon!
This is border-line communism now.


I am forever for any company being allowed to make as much as they want, that is in part what keeps the economy going but at what point does putting profits before people become problem? Since these companies failed to "self regulate' themselves Govt had to step in.


So you honestly think the government will do a better job of "self regulation" than a private company?
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Have you seen the deficit lately? This is a joke, right? I mean, you can't be serious!!!!



posted on Jan, 8 2011 @ 10:34 AM
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Originally posted by BigTimeCheater
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Wise beyond your years? Evidently not.

The Constitution provides no authority for the government to act in a socialistic manner.

Government is very limited by the Constitution, but sadly they have overstepped their bounds long ago.

If you are so knowledgeable, perhaps you could explain how you came to believe a statement in the preamble conveys any powers.

The preamble confers no powers whatsoever, it is merely an introduction.

Again, educate yourself on a topic before trying to debate it. By the sound of it, you need years of education on the Constitution in order to intelligently discuss it.


Big Government at times is needed to keep the sharks at bay to prevent them from eating the smaller fish. How does someone with a median income of less then $30k a year fight a lobbying group whose bank account rivals that of small nations? The Doc never made it legal for larger companies to drown out that of the smaller groups.

Government's job is to be the big, bad entity that keeps these kinds of companies up at night living in fear. How many more livelyhoods must be destroyed before someone gives a flip about the average American?

As to mental and intellectual proficiency myiq is between 150 - 170 which makes me smarter then roughly 7,5 - 7,9 people out of 10 so that makes what I say as fact. I think about stuff like this all day every day.
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posted on Jan, 8 2011 @ 10:36 AM
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"Obamacare sure is working great, isn't it? According to an absolutely stunning new poll, 40 percent of all U.S. doctors plan to bail out of the profession over the next three years. Yes, you read the correctly. 4 out of every 10 doctors in America say that they are getting out in the next three years."

I think the key words in the above quote are, "plan to." A lot of people plan to become rich some day but most fail to do so. What do you think these people are going to go do, become longshoremen or carpenters?

Also, the fact that you refer to it as "Obamacare," is somewhat deceptive to say the least. The biggest single flaw in the health care reform bill is the future (2014) mandate to purchase insurance from a "private insurer." If you remember correctly, single payer and public option representatives were not given "a seat at the table." That's tantamount to engaging in collective bargaining negotiations attended solely by management representatives while refusing a seat to any labor representatives, what an absolute joke.

It was republican obstructionism and corporate influence that brought about this situation in an effort to protect the private health insurance industry that had been doing such a great job of screwing us to the wall in the past. So if you feel the need to attach a catchy sounding name to the current health care reform laws, may I suggest "Obstructionist Care."



posted on Jan, 8 2011 @ 10:41 AM
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Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1

Government's job is to be the big, bad entity that keeps these kinds of companies up at night living in fear.


uh, no it's not.




As to mental and intellectual proficiency myiq is between 150 - 170 which makes me smarter then roughly 7,5 - 7,9 people out of 10 so that makes what I say as fact.


Perhaps the delicate genius can one day learn the difference between a comma (,) and a period (.).

That makes what you say a fact? Go away little troll boy.



posted on Jan, 8 2011 @ 10:47 AM
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Originally posted by BigTimeCheater

Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1

Government's job is to be the big, bad entity that keeps these kinds of companies up at night living in fear.


uh, no it's not.

Yes it is, like it or not.


As to mental and intellectual proficiency myiq is between 150 - 170 which makes me smarter then roughly 7,5 - 7,9 people out of 10 so that makes what I say as fact.


Perhaps the delicate genius can one day learn the difference between a comma (,) and a period (.).

That makes what you say a fact? Go away little troll boy.


Look at my post history on ATS and you may actually learn something. BTW, I despise and hate trolls as their only purpose is to cause chaos and disorder.



posted on Jan, 8 2011 @ 10:49 AM
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Lol whatever helps you sleep at night kid.



so that makes what I say as fact.




posted on Jan, 8 2011 @ 10:50 AM
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One tool I have used in the past is to look and mentally argue the point from the opposing side. It helps define your argument. So you see big government as a plus, as a "friend" to help those who need it, correct?
Sorta like a big brother, huh?



posted on Jan, 8 2011 @ 10:52 AM
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Originally posted by beezzer
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One tool I have used in the past is to look and mentally argue the point from the opposing side. It helps define your argument. So you see big government as a plus, as a "friend" to help those who need it, correct?
Sorta like a big brother, huh?


This has nothing to do with Big brother. This has everything to do with keeping the playing field level so that no larger entity takes advantage of a smaller entity.



posted on Jan, 8 2011 @ 10:55 AM
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Welcome to socialism. Prices will rise as the number of providers decline. This just proves that stupid liberals don't think about the consequences of their actions.


Socialism is just the sheep's clothing worn by the Banksters/Corporate Cartel. Obamacare was never about health care. It was window dressing for two different agendas.

The first was implanted RFID chips. No Chip => No Care. I give a more in depth explanation and links HERE

Obamacare also contained a new tax regulation.

Please understand Small Business is what is keeping the USA alive and the Corporate Cartel HATES small business because it keeps prices down. 17% of US workforce is employed by the Federal government. Over fifty percent work for small businesses. This means less than 30% of the US workforce actually work for large corporations who can handle lots of new paperwork easily.



Section 9006 of the health care bill -- just a few lines buried in the 2,409-page document -- mandates that beginning in 2012 all companies will have to issue 1099 tax forms not just to contract workers but to any individual or corporation from which they buy more than $600 in goods or services in a tax year.

The stealth change radically alters the nature of 1099s and means businesses will have to issue millions of new tax documents each year....

The bill makes two key changes to how 1099s are used. First, it expands their scope by using them to track payments not only for services but also for tangible goods. Plus, it requires that 1099s be issued not just to individuals, but also to corporations.... money.cnn.com...

The IRS requires that you get the EIN or SS# at the time of the transaction, not just at tax-filing time. This means you have to demand good old WALLYMART give you its EIN BEFORE you can buy anything! Of course all of this new found money, estimated at 300 billion, goes to the Banksters to pay the interest on the fraudulent "National Debt" Debt from the Fed loaning the US government thin air account for 40% of the National Debt

To add insult to injury “The US government plan is to eventually take ownership of all assets in IRAs and 401K accounts and replace them with US government “Treasury Retirement Bonds

If that is not enough. Congress just passed the Food Farce Act designed to bankrupt farmers so the banks and Ag Cartel can grab the land. And if you do not think the bankers are involved you might want to read this World Bank Document

41% of US land is farmland. U.S. farms produce 46% of the world’s soybeans, 41% of the world’s corn, 20.5% of the world’s cotton and 13% of the world’s wheat. Right now farmers do not utilize their land to its fullest extent. With a growing Chinese economy, US farmland is golden for those who wish to control the world food supply.

Now you understand why we had a the World Trade Organization ratified and China invited to join. Now you know why Congress passed the bunch of banking laws that lead to Foreclosuregate.

Can you hear that giant sucking sound? It s the banksters sucking the last drops of wealth from the USA before turning it into a giant slave run plantation. That s why the Government will not close the southern border. First they wiped out 75% of Mexico's independent farmers and now they plan to use them as slave labor on their giant corporate plantations.

I am sure there are plans in place to wipe out most of the blacks and white Americans and those will be implemented fairly soon.



posted on Jan, 8 2011 @ 10:57 AM
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Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1

Originally posted by beezzer
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One tool I have used in the past is to look and mentally argue the point from the opposing side. It helps define your argument. So you see big government as a plus, as a "friend" to help those who need it, correct?
Sorta like a big brother, huh?


This has nothing to do with Big brother. This has everything to do with keeping the playing field level so that no larger entity takes advantage of a smaller entity.


So you are against the free market system. I mean, keeping the playing field level would have inhibited Gates from cornering the market on Windows, keeping the playing field level would inhibit any company from success.
I get it, you don't want somene to be "better" than someone else.

Tell me, how many trophies did YOU get for "participating"?

Puh-leeze!





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