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Marine vet's 20-foot flagpole has homeowners association filing suit over a display of patriotism t

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posted on Jan, 7 2011 @ 07:20 PM
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Originally posted by mydarkpassenger

And yet none of his neighbors have complained, and infact support him?



Who said?




posted on Jan, 7 2011 @ 07:23 PM
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The Vet should be allowed to display a flag on his property - a large one if he prefers. I should be able to hang sheets on my clothesline and have a few chickens. Once a person buys a piece of property and as long as they do not infringe onto anothers property they should be able to do as they wish. I own a home without a homeowners association - so the city steps in and gives the rules. That's right - no clotheslines, no chickens, no big flags. We never own property - they just make us think we do!



posted on Jan, 7 2011 @ 07:23 PM
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Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by mydarkpassenger

And yet none of his neighbors have complained, and infact support him?



Who said?


Re-read the article.



posted on Jan, 7 2011 @ 07:26 PM
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"Merola's next-door neighbors, Satish and Ann Kalra, said the pole does not bother them.

"The homeowners association should look at the rules again," Satish Kalra said. "If the rules need to be modified, they should be modified. … That would be the logical thing to do."

Tran said even if Merola has not received complaints, another neighbor with a similar flagpole might. "

So the HOA nazis are basing this on what complaints MIGHT be received not any that actually have been received.



posted on Jan, 7 2011 @ 07:28 PM
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Originally posted by Whereweheaded
reply to post by SyphonX
 


Its annoying to have patriotism?


Patriotism isn't about flying the highest flag in your community. I figured by 2011, after Bush and the PATRIOT Act fiasco, that people would realize this by now. Trying to have the highest pole in the neighborhood (and then plying attention to it) is subconscious phallic obsession and insecure boasting, a sign of a weak mind. Real patriots have a higher attention span and are able to comprehend their surroundings in a logical manner.

Perhaps we should become the Fourth Reich. The Nazis were pretty big on flag waving, and that was about the extent of their "patriotism".

I wonder how this guy would defend states rights and constitutional patriotism if his neighbor flew a different national flag. I'm sure he wouldn't like it at all. Some freedom hm? Flag is probably made in China anyway.



posted on Jan, 7 2011 @ 07:29 PM
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Originally posted by mydarkpassenger
So the HOA nazis are basing this on what complaints MIGHT be received not any that actually have been received.

Not really. They are basing it on rules that this man agreed to when he signed the contract.

The association's lawyer, Nina Tran, said her clients encourage residents who wish to fly the flag to do so — as long as that flag is attached to a 6-foot pole mounted on a resident's home, as the bylaws stipulate.



posted on Jan, 7 2011 @ 07:31 PM
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Originally posted by captaintyinknots

Originally posted by Whereweheaded
Just love how these elite corporations infringe on the American, much less the pride that some have! I'm glad to see this guy stand up for what he believes in.

Also good to see that the Flag Act of 2005, supersedes the HOA bylaws. Hope it goes to court, so the HOA in question will be seen as the asses they are!

www.chron.com
(visit the link for the full news article)
edit on 7-1-2011 by Whereweheaded because: (no reason given)


I am not a fan of homeowners associations, but he chose to live in one, and therefore to follow the rules of it.


There was a time when people lived in the south and had slaves. Some of those people openly protested slavery and ended up in jail! And your saying, for those objecting Southerners, they are wrong? Because they weren't following the rules?
That's pretty twisted.



posted on Jan, 7 2011 @ 07:35 PM
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Originally posted by SyphonX

Originally posted by Whereweheaded
reply to post by SyphonX
 


Its annoying to have patriotism?


Patriotism isn't about flying the highest flag in your community. I figured by 2011, after Bush and the PATRIOT Act fiasco, that people would realize this by now. Trying to have the highest pole in the neighborhood (and then plying attention to it) is subconscious phallic obsession and insecure boasting, a sign of a weak mind. Real patriots have a higher attention span and are able to comprehend their surroundings in a logical manner.

Perhaps we should become the Fourth Reich. The Nazis were pretty big on flag waving, and that was about the extent of their "patriotism".

I wonder how this guy would defend states rights and constitutional patriotism if his neighbor flew a different national flag. I'm sure he wouldn't like it at all. Some freedom hm? Flag is probably made in China anyway.


And you would know exactly what about patriotism? You have put your a$$ on the line exactly how many times?

This Marine flys that flag to honor those he served with, and those past, present and future who have, are, and will serve in all US military services.

This home-owners association are the real Nazis - little people feeling big in the only way they can - by pushing against anyone who dares to challenge their dictates.



posted on Jan, 7 2011 @ 07:36 PM
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Originally posted by Sinnthia

Originally posted by mydarkpassenger
So the HOA nazis are basing this on what complaints MIGHT be received not any that actually have been received.

Not really. They are basing it on rules that this man agreed to when he signed the contract.

The association's lawyer, Nina Tran, said her clients encourage residents who wish to fly the flag to do so — as long as that flag is attached to a 6-foot pole mounted on a resident's home, as the bylaws stipulate.



Yes. Really. That HOA board is simply pissed that this man is defying their ruling, even as that ruling is unlawful.



posted on Jan, 7 2011 @ 07:38 PM
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Originally posted by sbctinfantry
I enjoy a good trolling now and then.


I cannot believe you just called BH a troll.


She's been here five years.
You haven't even been here a full month.

Trolls don't usually last that long around here.

Anyway, as she (and captaintyinknots, among others) have pointed out, the Flag Act allows for "reasonable restrictions".

The notion of "reasonable" is of course subjective....HOWEVER...it is not subjective when you agree to the rules of the homeowners association before you move into the area. They determine the definition of "reasonable" and you have to decide if it is something you want to live with. Moving in, throwing a fit, then breaking the rules anyway, is childish and a bit pathetic.

Especially for a Marine who should understand the value of following rules. Instead this guy has his application denied, starts protesting through a series of letters, then erects the pole anyway, despite already agreeing to follow the rules before his "I'm-too-patriotic-for-a-6ft-pole-butt" moved in.

Nice.

It's like signing up for the military then complaining that they want to fire a weapon. It wouldn't matter if the other soldiers in Basic didn't mind, the fact is, if you start letting the rules slip, they are worthless as a whole.

Sorry, but that's a failure.

He cares more about his pole than the flag.

- Lee



posted on Jan, 7 2011 @ 07:38 PM
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Originally posted by mydarkpassenger
"Merola's next-door neighbors, Satish and Ann Kalra, said the pole does not bother them.

"The homeowners association should look at the rules again," Satish Kalra said. "If the rules need to be modified, they should be modified. … That would be the logical thing to do."

Tran said even if Merola has not received complaints, another neighbor with a similar flagpole might. "

So the HOA nazis are basing this on what complaints MIGHT be received not any that actually have been received.


You've got one neighbor who says it doesn't bother them. Wouldn't surprise me if they were military too.

No where does it say there haven't been complaints.

People in places with rules tend to complain anytime there is an infraction. Places like this attract the kind of people who want everything perfect and rules that everyone has to follow.

If there were no complaints - - that would be the big surprise.



posted on Jan, 7 2011 @ 07:41 PM
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Originally posted by lee anoma

Originally posted by sbctinfantry
I enjoy a good trolling now and then.


I cannot believe you just called BH a troll.


She's been here five years.
You haven't even been here a full month.

Trolls don't usually last that long around here.

Anyway, as she (and captaintyinknots, among others) have pointed out, the Flag Act allows for "reasonable restrictions".

The notion of "reasonable" is of course subjective....HOWEVER...it is not subjective when you agree to the rules of the homeowners association before you move into the area. They determine the definition of "reasonable" and you have to decide if it is something you want to live with. Moving in, throwing a fit, then breaking the rules anyway, is childish and a bit pathetic.

Especially for a Marine who should understand the value of following rules. Instead this guy has his application denied, starts protesting through a series of letters, then erects the pole anyway, despite already agreeing to follow the rules before his "I'm-too-patriotic-for-a-6ft-pole-butt" moved in.

Nice.

It's like signing up for the military then complaining that they want to fire a weapon. It wouldn't matter if the other soldiers in Basic didn't mind, the fact is, if you start letting the rules slip, they are worthless as a whole.

Sorry, but that's a failure.

He cares more about his pole than the flag.

- Lee


No matter who got here first, excuse me your "leet" sir, but wrong is still wrong.

The Marine in question still bought the property after the 2005 law, which makes the HOA board in violation of the law.



posted on Jan, 7 2011 @ 07:41 PM
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Originally posted by mydarkpassenger
Yes. Really. That HOA board is simply pissed that this man is defying their ruling, even as that ruling is unlawful.


I was simply disputing your errant guess with the facts. Sorry you used that as a jumping point to shift from. Deny knowledge!



posted on Jan, 7 2011 @ 07:43 PM
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Originally posted by mydarkpassenger

Originally posted by SyphonX

Originally posted by Whereweheaded
reply to post by SyphonX
 

Its annoying to have patriotism?

Patriotism isn't about flying the highest flag in your community. I figured by 2011, after Bush and the PATRIOT Act fiasco, that people would realize this by now. Trying to have the highest pole in the neighborhood (and then plying attention to it) is subconscious phallic obsession and insecure boasting, a sign of a weak mind. Real patriots have a higher attention span and are able to comprehend their surroundings in a logical manner.
Perhaps we should become the Fourth Reich. The Nazis were pretty big on flag waving, and that was about the extent of their "patriotism".
I wonder how this guy would defend states rights and constitutional patriotism if his neighbor flew a different national flag. I'm sure he wouldn't like it at all. Some freedom hm? Flag is probably made in China anyway.


And you would know exactly what about patriotism? You have put your a$$ on the line exactly how many times?

This Marine flys that flag to honor those he served with, and those past, present and future who have, are, and will serve in all US military services.

This home-owners association are the real Nazis - little people feeling big in the only way they can - by pushing against anyone who dares to challenge their dictates.




Right On! Absolutely,and 100% Correct

Most of these CaptainKeyBoards no nothing of honor nor patriotism.
Here we have a serviceman who is proud to have had the guts to protect the freedoms of his constitution, and people, and these namby pamby notknownothings, whine about him putting up our colors.
Sad, just very sad

Had to give you a star!
edit on 7-1-2011 by Violater1 because: A star for patriotism

edit on 7-1-2011 by Violater1 because: pinko pink



posted on Jan, 7 2011 @ 07:44 PM
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Originally posted by Sinnthia

Originally posted by mydarkpassenger
So the HOA nazis are basing this on what complaints MIGHT be received not any that actually have been received.

Not really. They are basing it on rules that this man agreed to when he signed the contract.

The association's lawyer, Nina Tran, said her clients encourage residents who wish to fly the flag to do so — as long as that flag is attached to a 6-foot pole mounted on a resident's home, as the bylaws stipulate.



A rule that was made illegal in 2005, long before he bought the property. So which trumps which? A private bunch of HOA board members, or a federal law?



posted on Jan, 7 2011 @ 07:48 PM
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Originally posted by Violater1
Right On! Absolutely,and 100% Correct

Most of these CaptainKeyBoards no nothing of honor nor patriotism.
Here we have a serviceman who is proud to have had the guts to protect the freedoms of his constitution, and people, and these namby pamby notknownothings, whine about him putting up our colors.
Sad, just very sad

Had to give you a star!
edit on 7-1-2011 by Violater1 because: A star for patriotism

edit on 7-1-2011 by Violater1 because: pinko pink


Boy gosh, golly. I am just a low life civy so I obviously hate America and such so let me ask a stupid question.
What is patriotic about a 20 foot pole that is lacking in a 6 foot pole?



posted on Jan, 7 2011 @ 07:49 PM
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Originally posted by mydarkpassenger
A rule that was made illegal in 2005, long before he bought the property. So which trumps which? A private bunch of HOA board members, or a federal law?


That was not the argument I was making. Like I said...
shift...
shift...



posted on Jan, 7 2011 @ 07:50 PM
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Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by mydarkpassenger
"Merola's next-door neighbors, Satish and Ann Kalra, said the pole does not bother them.

"The homeowners association should look at the rules again," Satish Kalra said. "If the rules need to be modified, they should be modified. … That would be the logical thing to do."

Tran said even if Merola has not received complaints, another neighbor with a similar flagpole might. "

So the HOA nazis are basing this on what complaints MIGHT be received not any that actually have been received.


You've got one neighbor who says it doesn't bother them. Wouldn't surprise me if they were military too.

No where does it say there haven't been complaints.

People in places with rules tend to complain anytime there is an infraction. Places like this attract the kind of people who want everything perfect and rules that everyone has to follow.

If there were no complaints - - that would be the big surprise.


In the spirit of innocent until proven guilty, we must infer that no complaints have been filed, and in fact, had complaints been filed, I am sure that attorney Tran would have mentioned them. As it is, we have Mr. Satish Kalra speaking up on behalf of this Marine.

As far as military neighbors goes, does that bother you>? And why?



posted on Jan, 7 2011 @ 07:52 PM
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Originally posted by Sinnthia

Originally posted by mydarkpassenger
Yes. Really. That HOA board is simply pissed that this man is defying their ruling, even as that ruling is unlawful.


I was simply disputing your errant guess with the facts. Sorry you used that as a jumping point to shift from. Deny knowledge!


You are great at insulting people when your argument fails.

The HOA ruling is unlawful.



posted on Jan, 7 2011 @ 07:53 PM
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There is really no good reason he or his lawyer would be made aware of any complaints. It may not be safe to assume there have been complaints but painting the picture that all his neighbors suppurt him because one house does seems slightly tinted.



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