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posted on Jan, 7 2011 @ 04:11 PM
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Originally posted by Whereweheaded
reply to post by Benevolent Heretic
 



A condominium association, cooperative association, or residential real estate management association may not adopt or enforce any policy, or enter into any agreement, that would restrict or prevent a member of the association from displaying the flag of the United States on residential property within the association with respect to which such member has a separate ownership interest or a right to exclusive possession or use.


And you clearly choose to ignore this~
edit on 7-1-2011 by Whereweheaded because: (no reason given)


Ugh, what you posted here(again) is exactly why the wording in section 4 was added. Quit deflecting, quit ignoring.




posted on Jan, 7 2011 @ 04:12 PM
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Originally posted by captaintyinknots
Ive pointed this out at least 4 times. He wants to ignore it.


Yeah, I see that now. Well, you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him THINK!.



posted on Jan, 7 2011 @ 04:15 PM
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Who puts up a 20-foot flagpole in their yard?

Does he own a large estate, or a mansion with several acres perhaps?

Sounds like a real jack-off to me. I can't stand people who are so arrogant like this. If I had to live next to him, I would probably go nuts. Overly loud, overly patriotic etc. Fly your flag, don't be an obnoxious fart about it. He's in the HOA anyway, and chose to be. That about says it all. He was looking for a fight and found one. Probably an ex-Marine (excuse me, "former"), as they tend to be really arrogant and anti-social about ridiculous things such as this.

(Just sayin'), was having a talk with my father about all the ex-Marines we know, and how they all do this sort of thing. Really annoying.

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(So "Marine Vet" was in the title, I should take up reading comprehension sometime. Though the title says it all to me.)
edit on 7-1-2011 by SyphonX because: (no reason given)



posted on Jan, 7 2011 @ 04:19 PM
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Originally posted by captaintyinknots

Originally posted by Whereweheaded
reply to post by Benevolent Heretic
 



A condominium association, cooperative association, or residential real estate management association may not adopt or enforce any policy, or enter into any agreement, that would restrict or prevent a member of the association from displaying the flag of the United States on residential property within the association with respect to which such member has a separate ownership interest or a right to exclusive possession or use.


And you clearly choose to ignore this~
edit on 7-1-2011 by Whereweheaded because: (no reason given)



Ugh, what you posted here(again) is exactly why the wording in section 4 was added. Quit deflecting, quit ignoring.


Section 4 states that only reasonable restrictions are permitted. A 20 foot pole is incredibly reasonable, and if it is arguable, that is the courts decision. What is reasonable is decided between two men, and if unable, two men will be mediated by a third party (the courts).

Everyone is wrong. This one is for the courts.



posted on Jan, 7 2011 @ 04:20 PM
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Originally posted by sbctinfantry

Originally posted by captaintyinknots

Originally posted by Whereweheaded
reply to post by Benevolent Heretic
 



A condominium association, cooperative association, or residential real estate management association may not adopt or enforce any policy, or enter into any agreement, that would restrict or prevent a member of the association from displaying the flag of the United States on residential property within the association with respect to which such member has a separate ownership interest or a right to exclusive possession or use.


And you clearly choose to ignore this~
edit on 7-1-2011 by Whereweheaded because: (no reason given)



Ugh, what you posted here(again) is exactly why the wording in section 4 was added. Quit deflecting, quit ignoring.


Section 4 states that only reasonable restrictions are permitted. A 20 foot pole is incredibly reasonable, and if it is arguable, that is the courts decision. What is reasonable is decided between two men, and if unable, two men will be mediated by a third party (the courts).

Everyone is wrong. This one is for the courts.


Actually, it is up to the HOA, if you read the act. If the HOA deems a 20 ft pole as unreasonable, and can back it up in any way, it is there right to do so, as stated by the act.



posted on Jan, 7 2011 @ 04:23 PM
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Incorrect, the average two story house is 20 feet, not including the roofing. Building a structure such as a flag pole, that is no taller than the houses around it, is incredibly reasonable. This one is for the courts, not the man or the HOA. You can't decide, they can't decide, the very fact that the word 'reasonable' is part of Section 4 alludes to the courts having the ultimate say, because the man building it certainly believes it is reasonable, the HOA believes otherwise, and a mediator will have to cast the final vote.



posted on Jan, 7 2011 @ 04:25 PM
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Originally posted by SyphonX
(Just sayin'), was having a talk with my father about all the ex-Marines we know, and how they all do this sort of thing. Really annoying.


I got to agree. From the article:



"They just don't understand, unless they've been in the military, to feel the pride that I feel in flying that flag high and proud,


This is a common attitude I've noticed with many people who have been in the military. "You've never served. You don't understand..."

Please! Spare me your holier-than-thou crap! I DO understand. You still have to live by the rules here. Just because you were a marine, doesn't mean you get to break the rules.



posted on Jan, 7 2011 @ 04:26 PM
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I don't see the big deal here...if the man wants to fly his American flag HIGH...then let the man, it only shows his respect for America...I see both sides of the argument here (although i think the difference in opinions here has left you both looking like children IMO)...regardless of both sides of the argument I think if the man wants to show his pride in flying his flag high, then he shouldn't be sued for it just because of a tight butt HOA who would probably sue you're grandma for leaving cookie crumbs for birds to eat claiming that the birds poop more and thus reduce their property value...it's a joke if you ask me



posted on Jan, 7 2011 @ 04:30 PM
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Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic

Originally posted by SyphonX
(Just sayin'), was having a talk with my father about all the ex-Marines we know, and how they all do this sort of thing. Really annoying.


I got to agree. From the article:



"They just don't understand, unless they've been in the military, to feel the pride that I feel in flying that flag high and proud,


This is a common attitude I've noticed with many people who have been in the military. "You've never served. You don't understand..."

Please! Spare me your holier-than-thou crap! I DO understand. You still have to live by the rules here. Just because you were a marine, doesn't mean you get to break the rules.


So, you think that this common attitude of veterans claiming that you don't know true patriotism until you've put your life on the line for it is just a matter of veterans not understanding they have to live by the rules?

I smell an anti-American hypocrite.

And yes, I served in the US Army as a rifleman and suffered wounds that retired me. I do not fly a flag, and doubt anyone could stop me from doing so.



posted on Jan, 7 2011 @ 04:31 PM
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Its annoying to have patriotism?



posted on Jan, 7 2011 @ 04:34 PM
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Originally posted by sbctinfantry
You can't decide, they can't decide,


But YOU can decide?


Originally posted by sbctinfantry
A 20 foot pole is incredibly reasonable,




It looks like the flagpole towers above the house.



posted on Jan, 7 2011 @ 04:35 PM
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Originally posted by Whereweheaded
Its annoying to have patriotism?


Of course it is... patriots are very hard to train as Sheeple... so if your goal is to turn the populace into mindless sheep, then patriotism is an annoyance that messes up their plan
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It's like that thread I saw the other day "Is free thinking a Mental Illness?" Seems they are working on a cure for that now too


Now put down that flag and get ye in line for a good TSA groping because that piece of shrapnel in your legs is gonna set off all them scanners

:shk:
edit on 7-1-2011 by zorgon because: No WAY do you need to know why



posted on Jan, 7 2011 @ 04:39 PM
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Honestly, walk away bro. You are 100% correct in the interpretation here, but you are working against people that either are unable to interpret the laws correctly or refuse to do so because the situation/crime in question is one they hold too dear to let go of. In either instance it will be akin to arguing with a tree... Lots o' words, but little to no common ground will be found.



posted on Jan, 7 2011 @ 04:41 PM
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Originally posted by sbctinfantry
So, you think that this common attitude of veterans claiming that you don't know true patriotism until you've put your life on the line for it is just a matter of veterans not understanding they have to live by the rules?


I didn't say that. I think this common attitude of veterans claiming that people don't know true patriotism until they've put their life on the line for it - is complete BS.

I think these veterans UNDERSTAND that they are expected to live by the rules, they just want special treatment because they were in the military. They say things like:



I do not fly a flag, and doubt anyone could stop me from doing so.


It's arrogant. There are rules and laws and everyone has to abide by them or pay the price. It is not true that you don't have to obey the rules and laws the rest of us do because you served.



I smell an anti-American hypocrite.


I have no idea why you said that, but OK. Have you checked under your desk for rotting food?



posted on Jan, 7 2011 @ 04:41 PM
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Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic

Originally posted by sbctinfantry
You can't decide, they can't decide,


But YOU can decide?


Originally posted by sbctinfantry
A 20 foot pole is incredibly reasonable,




It looks like the flagpole towers above the house.


I enjoy a good trolling now and then. It's clever how you cut and pasted portions of my post. You seem to forget that while we are speaking about reasonable, when two persons can not decide on something they seek, what? A mediator. To interpret the law, that would be... the courts? Which is exactly what I stated in part of the post you left out. Of course, a true troll accuses others of their own actions, and you accuse another poster of leaving portions of fact out as well. Good old fashion trolling at work here.

Would you rather a 10 foot pole?

The reccommended flag pole height, compared to the dimensions of the flag flown suggest a 3'x5' flag sit atop a 15-20ft pole. No smaller sizes are mentioned.

www.ushistory.org...



posted on Jan, 7 2011 @ 04:46 PM
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Originally posted by sbctinfantry
Incorrect, the average two story house is 20 feet, not including the roofing. Building a structure such as a flag pole, that is no taller than the houses around it, is incredibly reasonable. This one is for the courts, not the man or the HOA. You can't decide, they can't decide, the very fact that the word 'reasonable' is part of Section 4 alludes to the courts having the ultimate say, because the man building it certainly believes it is reasonable, the HOA believes otherwise, and a mediator will have to cast the final vote.


Again, thats up to the HOA. You are putting YOUR interpretation of what reasonable is down, which doesnt matter. Does the flag pole cast a shadow on anyone elses house or lawn?

Oops, unreasonable.

The courts will get involved, but it is up to the HOA to decide what is unreasonable. Then they just have to back it up.



posted on Jan, 7 2011 @ 04:49 PM
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I'll keep my eye out, if it does go to court, ( no court date set at this time ) I"ll post the results. Then maybe the outcome of the case would put this thread to rest.



posted on Jan, 7 2011 @ 04:50 PM
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Originally posted by sbctinfantry
It's clever how you cut and pasted portions of my post.


I trimmed the quotes to the section I was replying to. It's ATS guidelines. Face it. You judged that a 20 pole is reasonable, then told everyone that it's not for them to decide.


. Of course, a true troll accuses others of their own actions, and you accuse another poster of leaving portions of fact out as well.


I did no such thing.



Would you rather a 10 foot pole?


I have no interest in the size of this guy's pole!



The reccommended flag pole height, compared to the dimensions of the flag flown suggest a 3'x5' flag sit atop a 15-20ft pole. No smaller sizes are mentioned.


Unless it's the homeowners' by-laws, I'm not interested. It matters not what the recommendations are. What matters is that the guy is breaking the rules of the homeowners association, after he agreed to abide by them when he moved in. He broke his word. Real respectful!



posted on Jan, 7 2011 @ 04:50 PM
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Originally posted by captaintyinknots

Originally posted by sbctinfantry
Incorrect, the average two story house is 20 feet, not including the roofing. Building a structure such as a flag pole, that is no taller than the houses around it, is incredibly reasonable. This one is for the courts, not the man or the HOA. You can't decide, they can't decide, the very fact that the word 'reasonable' is part of Section 4 alludes to the courts having the ultimate say, because the man building it certainly believes it is reasonable, the HOA believes otherwise, and a mediator will have to cast the final vote.


Again, thats up to the HOA. You are putting YOUR interpretation of what reasonable is down, which doesnt matter. Does the flag pole cast a shadow on anyone elses house or lawn?

Oops, unreasonable.

The courts will get involved, but it is up to the HOA to decide what is unreasonable. Then they just have to back it up.


I surrender the decision to the courts based on law interpretation, and you decide it is in the HOA's hands? Who is putting their interpretation forward again?



posted on Jan, 7 2011 @ 04:51 PM
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Originally posted by sbctinfantry

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic

Originally posted by sbctinfantry
You can't decide, they can't decide,


But YOU can decide?


Originally posted by sbctinfantry
A 20 foot pole is incredibly reasonable,




It looks like the flagpole towers above the house.


I enjoy a good trolling now and then. It's clever how you cut and pasted portions of my post. You seem to forget that while we are speaking about reasonable, when two persons can not decide on something they seek, what? A mediator. To interpret the law, that would be... the courts? Which is exactly what I stated in part of the post you left out. Of course, a true troll accuses others of their own actions, and you accuse another poster of leaving portions of fact out as well. Good old fashion trolling at work here.

Would you rather a 10 foot pole?

The reccommended flag pole height, compared to the dimensions of the flag flown suggest a 3'x5' flag sit atop a 15-20ft pole. No smaller sizes are mentioned.

www.ushistory.org...


But YOU forget that one of those two people signs a contract AGREEING to follow the rules of the HOA, they give up their right to decide what is reasonable.

He signed a contract stating he would follow the rules. Simple enough.


As for the RECOMMENDED pole height, how is that relevant here?



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