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Marine vet's 20-foot flagpole has homeowners association filing suit over a display of patriotism t

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posted on Jan, 7 2011 @ 11:15 PM

Originally posted by sbctinfantry

Originally posted by captaintyinknots
I am not a fan of homeowners associations, but he chose to live in one, and therefore to follow the rules of it.

Some rights are granted by god, not homeowner's assosciations. So sayeth our founders.

I agree 100%. Any right that God has granted us... such as anything we feel he has granted us, means he has granted it to us and makes any other legal binding contract null and void!!!


posted on Jan, 7 2011 @ 11:25 PM
reply to post by Whereweheaded

Depends on why hight is restricted. I'd say it's a case for special exception. As it's not technically, legally, a house.

posted on Jan, 7 2011 @ 11:47 PM

Originally posted by mydarkpassenger

Originally posted by captaintyinknots
reply to post by mydarkpassenger

Please quote the part that says there must be a complaint...

also, reasonable is a subjective word. If the HOA deemed something like this 'unreasonable', and this man moved in anyway, that is his poor choice.

It is called common sense.

For there to be a drop in property values, the HOA board would have to demonstrate complaints. They can not.

And the federal law trumps this bunch of little neo-nazis.

Your pathetic attempts at insulting everyone is tiresome. Stick to the subject at hand instead of calling everyone's millitary service (or lack of) into question. This has nothing to do with the right to make a comment on this case.

You really need to re-read the act:

The home owner signed an agreement with the HOA.
Whether the HOA are liars, cheats or crooks has nothing to do with the arguement.
He has erected a flagpole which is in violation of the HOA agreement he signed in good faith.
They have asked him to remove the flagpole and display the flag according to the agreement he signed.
They have NOT denied him the right to display the flag just the method in which he does as per the agreement.

This has nothing to do with patriotism but everything to do with abiding by a legally binding agreement.
He is playing on people's emotions to garner sympathy and to sidetrack the fact that he has broken his contract with the HOA.

A few people here have mentioned he is a marine thus making him more important than your average Joe.
Okay, let's accept that for the moment.

Is he a man of his word? If not then his signature is not worth the paper it was written on.

posted on Jan, 7 2011 @ 11:52 PM

Originally posted by sbctinfantry
If I were him, I would cover my house in the American Flag, and even install another flag pole.

AMEN~!!! or make it 3 flag poles~!

posted on Jan, 8 2011 @ 12:01 AM
I'm curious as to why in this day and age people still fly the flag like it has some meaning anymore or that what it once meant still applies. Why would you go waving around the symbol of what steals from you, lies to you, and tries to kill you? Screw the flag.

When I see a flag at someone's house, I think to myself "yep, another sucker."

Besides, what the hell do people with flags think? Do they do this in case someone thinks they are in guatemala?
"Oh thanks sir, I was beginning to think I was in Mexico."

posted on Jan, 8 2011 @ 01:24 AM
Could you imagine the size of the striper that could use a 20 foot pole...ouch eheheh

sorry i hope i didint come in second on the pole joke eheheh

posted on Jan, 8 2011 @ 02:54 AM
We flew the flag 24/7 from the front porch of our little Sears & Roebuck kit house for the first 16 years we lived here. I was proud of the flag and what it symbolized. Then I had my eyes opened. Our country is in peril. Can no longer in good mind fly my flag. Breaks my heart.

The Marine fellow living in a HOV community is aware that restrictions are part and parcel of ownership. But he chooses to do as he damn well please. I like that.

posted on Jan, 8 2011 @ 03:08 AM
Extremism is extremism
1. the condition or act of taking an extreme view.
2. the taking of extreme action. — extremist, n., adj.

words relating to extremism

noun fanaticism, enthusiasm, madness, devotion, dedication, zeal, bigotry, infatuation, single-mindedness, zealotry, obsessiveness, monomania, immoderation, overenthusiasm

if my font was size 55......would that tell how extreme i feel about my opinon/flag/country/religion/race/sexual oriantation/dogs/cats/

so with that let the extreme be extreme(unless they are going to hurt you or others), you have no control over others nor should you.

Why do you care some crazy man wants a 700000000000000 ft pole flag. Why not just go ha......that guy is differnt then me (ok maybe like "wow" differnt)...and why should it move you to judgement?

If the whole world practiced the concept of love and



the world would be like, wow nice flag, has nothing to do with me but i admire your passion, how bout you hang out so our love and views converge(result......the extremes modarate and do not divide)

ha......perfect world thinking is it so wrong?

edit on 8-1-2011 by The Great Day because: (no reason given)

posted on Jan, 8 2011 @ 03:33 AM

Originally posted by Violater1
1) you said it, not me
Although there is nothing wrong being a civy

2) About 14 feet

I certainly hope you did not respond as some kind of example of our fighting forces today. It seems you did not understand that very simple question and have not even tried to answer it. Instead you were insulting and deflective. I had hope that the men and women fighting for our country could read and act like adults.

Can you explain to me what is more patriotic about a 20 foot pole over a 6 foot pole or not? I insulted myself for you to get it out of the way so that you could just concentrate on the question itself. I really thought that might help.

Need the question again?

What is more patriotic about a 20 foot pole over a 6 foot pole. U2U if there is still any trouble comprehending what was asked here.
edit on 8-1-2011 by Sinnthia because: (no reason given)

posted on Jan, 8 2011 @ 03:37 AM

Originally posted by mydarkpassenger
Because if you file suit in court against someone, they are entitled to get copies of the so-called evidence against them? And before that, the board would have to notify this Marine that there were complaints filed?

The "evidence againts them" would be the rules this man agreed to. They do not need to prove their desire to enforce rules in any court. That makes no sense. The board would not have to notify the Marine of anything other than the fact that he is breaking the rules. Please explain to me why they would also have to tell him which neigbors complained? Against the rules is againnts the rules.

posted on Jan, 8 2011 @ 03:51 AM
1. The guy is a MARINE. Obviously having served in the United States military for some time. While in the military, personnel are bound to the UCMJ (Uniformed Code of Military Justice) 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. Even when you are off-duty, you are accountable to the laws of the military, no matter what. Serving in the military means adhering to a code, a law, and other guidelines.

2. Why then, is this honorable MARINE, who has spent a lifetime following strict guidelines, regulations, laws and orders, --who WILLINGLY chose to live in a deed-restricted community and adhere to it's guidelines, regulations and stipulations going against those directives? You don't sign your kid up to play little league baseball and then tell the coach that YOUR CHILD is special and gets to run to first base without standing-up to bat. How come your child can run to first base for free while other kids have to try to hit the ball first? See how it just isn't right to allow one kid special privilages? You disrupt the baseball game and everyone is in a fuss.

3. All of that being said... As long as no one complains about his 20ft flagpole, then what is the big deal? Personally, I've lived in a deed restricted community, and people go there as to avoid "junk" being piled up everywhere. You might have seen homes around our magnificent country (most of which is NOT deed-restricted) where cars are on cinder blocks, cheap playground toys bleach in the sun, logs, rubble, ovens, refrigerators, and anything you can imagine rusts, wilts, degrades under the forces of nature, wild grass sprouting around them, growing into them. Residents WILLINGLY choose to live in deed-restricted communities to avoid the eye-sore of FILTHY HABITS. They also do so to avoid OUTRAGEOUS habits.

4. What if the next person wants to fly a Nazi Swastika on a 30ft flag? What if someone else, say a gay couple, wants to fly a rainbow flag towering at 35ft? Then, say a "South Shall Rise Again" fellow wants a 66ft Confederate monstrosity to fly in his backyard? If you allowed the Marine to fly his "out-of-regulations" flag, then how can you make arguments, legally and morally, against the others? By that time, your ship already has holes in it.

5. The Marine in question here should realize that DISCIPLINE is the heart and soul of our military, having lived that professional life during his career. If you see a marine who has grown a mustache out of regulation, even slightly, or has his hair too long, or she has worn earrings too outlandish, or dyed their hair in extreme, or hasn't had their stripes perfectly centered on their sleeve, or marches OUT OF STEP... Well then, it's a discipline problem because others will follow suit and commit even more blatant violations of regulations.

6. My personal, and humble, opinion is that the marine has every right to fly his flag, outside of a deed-restricted community. The community is not saying that he can't be patriotic, that he can't fly his flag. They are just enforcing regulations PREVIOUSLY ESTABLISHED and agreed-upon by both parties when he signed on to live there. See, there are MANY BENEFITS to living in such a place (already explored above). They are just saying that he has to OPERATE WITHIN THE PARAMETERS ALREADY SET.

7. Look, what is the real difference between a 6ft flag on a pole on the front/back/both side of the house and a 30ft pole in the backyard? Do you think people aren't going to see wither flag? Marines I've known in deed-restricted communities have flown them such, and I proudly walk my dog past those homes, knowing that I'm walking past the residence of a hero, someone who has served his country, just like cops, firefighters, coast guard, air force, army, navy, FBI, etc. Fly your flag, Marine, yet HONOR your community by sticking to the rules you surely signed-up for when you chose to live there. This isn't about patriotism. This is simply about EXPRESSING YOURSELF within the rules you already agreed to. Think about discipline and how it affects the unit and/or the community. By breaking the rules, this marine is opening the floodgates for truly evil people to do the same (e.g. what if a satan-worshipper wanted to have a 66ft flag pole with an upside-down cross on it, or a pentagram, or the faces of sacrificial lambs and goats and blood?). Sounds outrageous, but really, allowing one is to allow all.

8. Deed-restricted communites exist for a reason: to allow people to enjoy a STANDARD BEAUTY. If you don't want to be part of it, then don't WILLINGLY CHOOSE to live there, marine or no marine.

Just my humble take on this. For the record, I highly respect the military and their sacrifices.
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posted on Jan, 8 2011 @ 03:57 AM
His neighbourghs souunded like my exgf

"exuse me sir, your pole is to big to meeet the standards."

posted on Jan, 8 2011 @ 04:02 AM
hmm 20ft pole ,. thats the standard hight of any pole i guess , guess no case there

marine flag might be excessive since its not a civilian "prompt" but a military and whats in the military stays in the military, . .

rest is just policies which if broken grant the hoa to evict you by you own signed terms , giving up sertain rights in order to gain others sound familiar ? couch couch

but then its the paradox of em all , can policies and guidelines brake the written law or constitution , and i guess the answer is no

but then i refer to the giving up rights conundrum , man made idiocy at its best byrocratical form ,

engienered lunacy ,

posted on Jan, 8 2011 @ 04:40 AM
The HOA has received no complaints but they are trying to say that the property values have gone down because of the flag. Well, that is something that they are going to have to prove, but they won't be able to, because the property values have not gone down because of the flagpole.

posted on Jan, 8 2011 @ 04:48 AM
reply to post by Hendrix92TheUniverse

Can you please explain why they would have to prove property values have gone down in order to enforce a rule they already had in place?
Further, can you prove there have been no complaints?

posted on Jan, 8 2011 @ 04:56 AM
reply to post by Sinnthia

What is more patriotic about a 20 foot pole over a 6 foot pole. U2U if there is still any trouble comprehending what was asked here.

With a 6' pole, there is a chance the flag could touch the ground which is against the guidelines for flag handling. Unless you get some sort of miniature flag.

posted on Jan, 8 2011 @ 05:02 AM

Originally posted by sonofliberty1776
With a 6' pole, there is a chance the flag could touch the ground which is against the guidelines for flag handling. Unless you get some sort of miniature flag.

Plastic flag, smaller flag, top secured flag, etc. Yep, all kinds of ways to make sure it will not touch the ground with a 6 foot pole. Not sure what you are answering but thanks.

posted on Jan, 8 2011 @ 05:15 AM
I despise how people bow down to crap like this. HOA are a crock, a way for uppity neighbors to persecute those they do not like. Hell HOA aside, most places you have to get permission from the town to put up a fence or a shed. If you have great neightbors like I did, it is not much of a problem, they aren't going to rat you out. You live next to some busybody jerkoff, and you could get fined more than it cost to put up a fence and ordered to take it down... Still think you own your property or home?

It amazed me the first time I heard of crap like that going on, it really did. I was watching a local town board meeting. The topic at hand: Man puts up a deck on his house, old lady complains that his deck blocked her view of his woods from her favorite chair and she couldn't watch the birds and squirrels anymore. Man was ordered to either take down the deck, or move it to the other side of his house, at his expense of course. Madness.....

posted on Jan, 8 2011 @ 08:26 AM

Originally posted by sonofliberty1776
reply to post by Dilligaf28
Please explain what kind of world allows a commercial contract to remove your GOD GIVEN rights? Are the merchants now superior to the LORD GOD? I know they wish to be, but wishing does not make it so.
I expect this post to have received its just deserts by the time my reply lands, but I've got to quote it anyway... Its just that fantastic!

I reckon that when any LORD GODs file suit against the USA for improper laws etc. then the US Judiciary will take notice. In the meantime, I expect that, like all governments, the USA will continue to write laws so that those of us who have no choice but to abide by them will feel we have some remedy for wrongs done to us (otherwise we'd be seeking revenge, which not only undermines the authority of our rulers, but also, if we peasants are a-feudin', we're not a-workin') & to allow our rulers to keep shifting the goal posts so that, no matter how hard we work, we will never achieve material security but must pass on our work ethic to our kids.

This is the function of law, ie to maintain a status quo in which everyone who doesn't have the wherewithal to place themselves above it, or beyond its enforcement, must do as they're told. That is the way its always been. What kind of world, you ask? The real world.

Still, perhaps you'd like to start putting a brief together on a LORD GOD's behalf? Is there any scripture about 20 foot erections in a garden? I dont recall any. There was something about worshipping false idols tho...

Whatever. I wonder why, 33yrs after he left the service, this former marine felt the need to be seen to be 14 feet more proud than his neighbours. Doth he protesteth too much?

posted on Jan, 8 2011 @ 08:27 AM

Originally posted by RestingInPieces
I agree 100%. Any right that God has granted us... such as anything we feel he has granted us, means he has granted it to us and makes any other legal binding contract null and void!!!


My god told me that I have a right to all your stuff.
I hate to do that to you but it is a right granted me by my god and all.

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