Pledge of Allegiance BANNED!

reply to post by Mastermook



My kid does this every morning at school.

Doesn't surprise me that many don't. I'll wager the ones that don't are in either the North or California.

The pledge goes right along with citizenship. They really don't even have that on a report card now.

When I was a kid, we were taught that America was great and had done great things. I teach my kid the same thing but also let her know that the "warts" are from people that didn't / don't follow the constitution (and are not therefore entitled to the term "American").

If you take away the reasons to be a patriot, it makes the next generation easier to control.

My kid is in middle school and is already thinking politically.

If you start a tree to grow straight when its young, you'll not have to worry about it when its old.

Originally posted by felonius
I teach my kid the same thing but also let her know that the "warts" are from people that didn't / don't follow the constitution (and are not therefore entitled to the term "American").

If you take away the reasons to be a patriot, it makes the next generation easier to control.

My kid is in middle school and is already thinking politically.

If you start a tree to grow straight when its young, you'll not have to worry about it when its old.

Uh huh. So your kid is the next generation YOU.

I have one daughter that is a Christian Conservative. I have another that is a Spiritual Environmentalist. I'm an Agnostic Atheist - - who hangs out on ATS - - and doesn't believe there is an America anymore.

My mother raised me to not have any prejudices against people. I was shocked to find out one day she was race prejudice and asked her about it. She said she was raised in a different time - - - that she raised me without prejudice to live in My Time - - not hers.

Its one thing to raise a child with Integrity and Values. Its another to force your own politics on them. I am not saying you did - - but it sure sounds that way.

Originally posted by JayTaylor
Wasn't the pledge of allegiance written by a flag manufacturer to increase sales? I know I've seen a read it a few places.

If that's the case, I certainly don't see what the big deal is, it almost sounds like progress to me.

Factual History of the Pledge of Allegiance.

www.google.com...:en-USfficial&client=firefox-a#q=factua l+history+of+pledge+of+allegiance&hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=qn7&sa=X&rls=org.mozilla:en-USfficial&prmd=ivns&tbs=tl:1&tbo=u&ei=FTEpTeSKC4GosQPVvoTiBw &oi=timeline_result&ct=title&resnum=13&ved=0CHkQ5wIwDA&fp=83f87efc6f926f13

reply to post by SaturnFX


Greatest reply in the world; seriously dude, I think you really put things into perspective there.

The magazine The Youth's Companion sold subscriptions. Francis Bellamy wrote articles for the magazine.

Who Wrote the Pledge of Allegiance and when?

The Baptist Minister Francis Bellamy wrote the Pledge of Allegiance in 1892. He was forced to leave his Boston church the previous year because of the socialist bent of his sermons. (He shared the political sentiments of his first cousin, Edward Bellamy, who wrote two socialist utopian novels, Looking Backward and Equality.) Francis Bellamy was later hired by the The Youth's Companion, a popular family magazine at the time. His writings reflected a Christian Socialist vision of a government-managed economy with "political, social and economic equality for all."

ask.yahoo.com...

I never really understood the whole thing. Lets make kids stand up and say the Pledge of Allegiance, but to what end? I never got anything out of it, except a couple seconds extra to finish the homework that was due. I don't see this being a big deal at all.

You remember a while back when that judge was ordered to take the Ten Commandments out of his courtroom? Even though many of our original laws were based on these common-sense commandments. This world gets crazier every day.

Solution: Homeschool your children and teach them what you know and believe in and teach them history, how to research, how to read and how to think for themselves.

Originally posted by Missing Blue Sky
Solution: Homeschool your children and teach them what you know and believe in and teach them history, how to research, how to read and how to think for themselves.

Have you seen Jesus camp?

Have to tell you I had a business - - and I hated when home schooled kids came into my store. They were the most obnoxious - self entitled - undisciplined - children I ever saw - - - with zero respect for my property.

A Good Caring Parent - - - can do just as well with a child in public schools.

Originally posted by greywolfalyeska
You remember a while back when that judge was ordered to take the Ten Commandments out of his courtroom? Even though many of our original laws were based on these common-sense commandments. This world gets crazier every day.

*

1. secular government

2. common-sense commandments (no god required)

Originally posted by Komodo
yea.. lets remove GOD from EVERYTHING.. yea.. but you all fail to remember, what Godless nations become..

destitude ~~~!! kinda like we are NOW ..

and it's not God's fault.. it ours..

Like someone mentioned before, Take God out of everything, then the politicians, leaders, musicians, and other idols will be the "Gods". Seems like it's part of some new world order nonsense going on to make everyone become "One".
I don't believe religions are honest and all goodwill. But God didn't create religion, man did, and man is corrupt. Nothing says you shouldn't believe in something greater out there. When Man plays God, things turn bad.When man stays humble, good things happen.
Equal balance, Spirituality, and Science can live hand in hand, and have a lot more in common then people notice.

Why should kids be forced to pledge their allegiance to something before they even understand what they are pledging allegiance to?

That's pretty dumb.
Especially in a place where they are supposed to be learning...
I say it's a step in the right direction.


Now if they can only teach them the truth, and encourage them to form their own opinions, we'd have a winner.

If someone is living in this country and doesn't wish for the pledge to be said in a PUBLIC school, there are plenty of one-way tickets leading to whatever god-awful corner of the planet that you wish to return to.

I think those who are against the pledge being said in schools should spend a year in Iraq. Or Afghanistan. Or Liberia. Find out how much of a good place that the US really is, and if you wish to come back, you'll find that when you see that flag, hear that music, and hear the pledge, your heart fills so much that you get tears in your eyes knowing you are home.

Americans don't go around trying to change the pledges, themes, anthems, or flags of any other nation. But there are plenty of those coming to America that try to change things, try to make it "like back home". I have news for you - a lot of people have shed their blood throughout a couple hundred years to make this place like it is. Have some respect for a country that wishes to instill pride in its citizens and their children.

To forget your history is to allow it to repeat itself.

reply to post by rarelibra


Please tell me what good a pledge is that you are forced to say as a child?
Honestly. What value could a pledge possibly have coming from a 5/6 year old that has no idea what they are pledging? Do you think your speech would effect a 5 year old? Do you think maybe kids should learn how to survive, read, add? You want them to pledge blind allegiance, can't you do that at home? Why would you want schools to indoctrinate your children into blind allegiance to any government?

reply to post by Mastermook


Speakng as a Brit i find you forcing children to repeatedly take an oath to defend your country appalling.

Its brainwashing. Nothing more, nothing less.

Geeze - - - some think Americans are the only people who have ever shed blood for Freedoms.

I do feel fortunate I was born in America - - - but as a child of the 50's - - - a "Victory Baby" - - - I was seriously indoctrinated with Patriotic Propaganda.

I prefer my eyes open. I prefer my children's eyes open - - - to ALL things.

Originally posted by Taliesien333
I'm not against the pledge of allegiance per se. But I do believe we should remove God from it. And we should remove it from the dollar bill as well.

This just made me think... People have refused to say the pledge for a long time, even when I was in high school I remember kids refusing to pledge under god. What I haven't seen however, is someone with this strong conviction refuse to spend or receive a dollar for the same reason... I understand that you're basically bound to the almighty dollar if you want to eat, etc., unless you have the means to supply your own food, but it was just an interesting thought I had picturing someone physically refusing to use currency and the trials that would await them. On another note I have never heard of an actual case of someone trying to get it removed from the dollar. Not to say there isn't one or several, I've just never heard of any, just people mentioning that it should be removed.

Originally posted by stealthXninja
What I haven't seen however, is someone with this strong conviction refuse to spend or receive a dollar for the same reason... I understand that you're basically bound to the almighty dollar if you want to eat, etc., unless you have the means to supply your own food, but it was just an interesting thought I had picturing someone physically refusing to use currency and the trials that would await them. On another note I have never heard of an actual case of someone trying to get it removed from the dollar. Not to say there isn't one or several, I've just never heard of any, just people mentioning that it should be removed.

The fight to remove "In God We Trust" from our money is an ongoing fight.

I've known people who take a black marker and mark it out on all their bills.

So Yes - - - there are some with strong convictions in regards to.

The Pledge was written by a socialist who would not have been happy about God being added. Plus - - adding Under God was for political reasons - - - not religious reasons.

Originally posted by eNumbra


Keep parroting it, by all means. You can drop the word truth all you want as though I'm wrong but I'm not; nor have I suggested that Wiki is a primary resource. I'll repeat myself with a self-quote so you can understand that I did in fact say once before already:

excuse you, but Wiki is the Only source you've quoted.
and, all i said and i reiterate, Wiki is lacking vital info regarding many of its entries, this being one of them. Stating it is Lacking; is not dissing the resource. I would think you would have consulted ANY resource beyond Wiki but then again, why bother, right? the whole dang world seems to be operating on half-azzed efforts these days anyway.

You do realize that wiki articles have citations right? And you are smart enough to track those citations and check that they are in fact legit?

and i suppose you consider those 'citations' not leading or misleading in any way, shape or form, eh?
are you one of those ppl who believes there is only one side to every story ... the one that gets the most coverage?

historyofthepledge.com...

As explained in Shelley’s talk, each one of these forces was a key element in the creation of the Pledge. Below is a schematic of the historic background, followed by five timelines: Flag Patriotism and Changes in the Pledge, The Youth’s Companion (the magazine that created and sponsored the Pledge), James Upham (first promoter of the Pledge), Francis Bellamy (author of the Pledge), and Historical Background and Events,.

www.tcdailyplanet.net...

Both citations mention the magazine; you'd have known that had you read them rather than just scoff at Wikipedia, but I'm sure you'll just insist that you and people like you added that. Which in reality only adds to Wiki's credibility as a source, and deflates your argument.


But if you'd like to continue insulting me you're certainly free to do so.

again, you are quoting 'citations' which are in turn lacking and therein lies the problem. shame you're too blind to see or too busy to care or simply disinterested enough to buy whatever Wiki is selling.
Who was Upham? Who ordered the writing of the pledge or did Bellamy do it, just because? What was the objective of the Youths Companion? Who paid for it? How was the marketing manipulated for political gains? for which party?
point is, there is more to the story than Wiki presents. shame on you for not bothering to look or learn. mentioning the mag and understanding the role it played are two very different things.
and your blanket comment is BS ... was then and still is now.
The Pledge is not, was not and has not been perpetuated as some socialist indoctrination.
insults?? where and when??

reply to post by Annee

as much as i agree with this statement and experience ... how does reciting the pledge correlate with prejudices?? i am not following your logic there.
prejudice and politics aren't equal or even related. prejudice and the pledge ... well, they all start with Ps, maybe that's it