Pledge of Allegiance BANNED!

I think it's refreshing to hear of a school that doesn't indoctrinate their kids with concepts they can't possible understand.

If parents want their kids to say the pledge, then they should say it with them every morning before they leave for school. Schools should not be teaching nationalism.

reply to post by Mastermook


Perhaps it wouldn't get banned if it didn't contain divisive references to an imaginary spook in the sky. Restore the original and more citizens will be willing to recite it.

"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

Personally I WILL NOT pledge allegiance, pay homage, or show deference to ANY form of religious delusion. That doesn't mean I don't love my country.

Originally posted by RelentlessLurker
reply to post by CREAM

 

ive been out of highschool for 3-4 years, and when i there nobody was ever forced to recite the pledge, it was voluntary.

obeying the rules is one thing, but show me one public school in this nation where it is a rule to say the pledge.

its your own fault for submitting, if you had demanded to have had your parents present at the time they forced you to recite it, they would not have forced you to recite it.

this is law. i cant speak for schools that operated 50+ years ago, but at least in contemporary america when a minor demands the presence of their legal guardians, nothing can happen until they show up.

if its a private school where that is a rule, well then your parents should have read the terms and conditions before enrolling you there.

It was a public school and the teachers did have to make you stand and face the flag, Im not going to argue about it with you, thats just how it was.

Originally posted by CREAM
It was a public school and the teachers did have to make you stand and face the flag, I'm not going to argue about it with you, that's just how it was.

Ours was mandatory too. For both teacher and student.

Of course that was 50 years ago.

Originally posted by Lilitu
reply to post by Mastermook

 

Perhaps it wouldn't get banned if it didn't contain divisive references to an imaginary spook in the sky. Restore the original and more citizens will be willing to recite it.

"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

Personally I WILL NOT pledge allegiance, pay homage, or show deference to ANY form of religious delusion. That doesn't mean I don't love my country.

Its still Propaganda and Brain Washing. A child should not pledge to anything.

I had to say it prior to "under God" - - - then we had lessons to say it with "under God".

Never did we learn where it came from - who wrote it - why - and what it meant. It was just recited Propaganda.

I was saying the pledge for so long (since i was a young kid) I never even stopped to think what i was saying or what it meant till after I graduated. I find it to be a huge form of brainwashing propaganda. All those kids staring at the flag, speaking the pledge in that monotone voice. Kinda creepy and Cultish the more I think about it. lol

reply to post by Mastermook


An outsiders persective.

In one way the "Americian pride" you refer to needs taking down a peg or two. Americians are the most brainwashed and politicised people on earth, ah la the 'ugly Americian" syndrome. Americians dont have a great reuputation in many parts of the world.

Example;

I was on bus tour in Eruope in the 1970s consisting mostly of New Zealanders, a few Australians and a group of "others." A small group of people were discussing wether or not something was possible, cant remember what now but a woman on the bus stood up and stated in an Americian accent. "It cant be done otherwise an Americian would have done it by now." I still remember tha clearly.

Perhaps it's this American pride thing that has contributed to so much ill feeling, hatred and war in the world in recent decades.

On another level think of it this way. I can remember during the 1970' watching what were effectively propaganda exposeas on "the big bad commies' of the USSR and how bad life was under thier rule. Given Americias slide into tyrrany since 911, I cant help but think that while the Ameriicans were great knockers of the communits, they were also great students of them. This ATS website documents this very well and your post above and other threads and posts to this forum are examples of that.

On another level again; I agree that things like national pride dilution, ethnicity mixing and religious and cultural melding are all deliberate actions on the part of TPTB to make it easier to implement their agenda. It's being sold through the phrase "Globilisation" It's my belief we will begin to hear phrases like "countires without borders" after regional goverment follows social intergration which follows economic integration.

cheers

I am in Australia so the words were a bit different. It does provide a sense of unity and common purpose. It also takes a lot of wisdom to find a theme and the words that everyone can agree on.

reply to post by Mastermook


Really now? Instead focusing on education and excelling our kids to those in Europe and China, teaching them that education if important, we have to worry about in nationalist BS that serves nothing more than to distract and indoctrinate.

Do you have kids? Do you care about this more than your own childs education? Really now.

Originally posted by RelentlessLurker
reply to post by eNumbra

 

enjoying freedom granted by that society, whilest at the same time rejecting said freedom/society, is just as (if not more so) contradictory.

You mean like the freedom to be searched, groped, scanned, recorded, detained, tazered, shot, beat, locked up, shut up, restrained, robbed/taxed, interrogated, classified, documented, licensed, profiled, etc, etc

reply to post by Mastermook


well they got to make room and time too have the kids sing about obama!!!

reply to post by Mastermook


i said the pledge every morning until i graduated. and it wasnt that long ago. it is still alive. liberty that is.

Originally posted by OldCorp
Red Skelton called it many years ago.

Wow, that is awesome!

I pledge allegiance to the corporate oligarchy that controls our lives and to the new world order for which it stands - one nation under oppression with lies and serfdom for all.

That's the only pledge that is currently relevant.

I so wish this happened in my town, I would get as many people together as I could and perch right outside the schools every morning and possibly afternoon and just sing our national Anthem and Say our Pledge.

American pride? You do realize that the Pledge of Allegiance was written by a socialist who was trying to help his friend sell flags to public schools right? Yeah, the Pledge of Allegiance was one of the first advertising jingles.

God bless America.

reply to post by OldCorp


Thank you for sharing that... Lovely.

reply to post by pirhanna


republic...under god...for liberty and justice for all. sounds like awesome words to me, dude.

Please do not trample on my pledge of allegiance!

The United States of America isn't about the Corrupt Governments, Corrupt law enforcers, or Corrupt Corporations that have taken over. These are only entities trying to take over our country.

The United States of America is about it's People and the freedoms that are rightfully ours. Once those freedoms are gone, so will the United States be. It is our Duty to protect and serve our fellow americans past present and future for the good of a whole.

When you put down the pledge of allegiance you are only doing what the powers that be want you to do. Divide and concur, and from the sound of it, they seem to be doing a pretty good Job at it.

Originally posted by thewholepicture

Originally posted by OldCorp
Red Skelton called it many years ago.

Very Awesome! Amen brother, for the day of reckoning is coming..