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FACT CHECK: Mass bird, fish deaths occur regularly

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posted on Jan, 7 2011 @ 12:25 AM
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i can understand people being worried about this, but there have been more than likely less deaths than what humans consume on a daily basis, why does it matter what caused it, does it make a difference?
why is it only now people are bothered about how many birds and fish have died? if these animals ended up on plates who would be bothered, would we even be aware they were missing?

if it goes on then worry, but if these events are just random events over a short period then i doubt it will make much difference, it will just mean less for us.




posted on Jan, 7 2011 @ 12:27 AM
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No offense your new did you join ATS just to attack me? or just to respond this thread?



posted on Jan, 7 2011 @ 12:27 AM
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Originally posted by lifeform11
i can understand people being worried about this, but there have been more than likely less deaths than what humans consume on a daily basis, why does it matter what caused it, does it make a difference?
why is it only now people are bothered about how many birds and fish have died? if these animals ended up on plates who would be bothered, would we even be aware they were missing?

if it goes on then worry, but if these events are just random events over a short period then i doubt it will make much difference, it will just mean less for us.




Because we want to know if this will eventually effect us, or other wildlife.



posted on Jan, 7 2011 @ 12:29 AM
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Originally posted by Agent_USA_Supporter
reply to post by yaphun
 


No offense your new did you join ATS just to attack me? or just to respond this thread?

You have lied several times by trying to say me and others are saying things that we are not or are completely delusional.

That is all, sir.
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posted on Jan, 7 2011 @ 12:34 AM
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Originally posted by yaphun

Originally posted by Agent_USA_Supporter
reply to post by yaphun
 


No offense your new did you join ATS just to attack me? or just to respond this thread?

You have lied several times by trying to say me and others are saying things that we are not or are completely delusional.

That is all, sir.
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Say what? i never stated that if i did say please do quote it before accusing someone.



That is all, sir.


So you joined just to attack me? you do know this site is ATS right any theories can be talked but without the personal attacks and also did you read the rules before joining i guess you haven't.



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posted on Jan, 7 2011 @ 12:40 AM
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Forget it. I give up.



This is why I've come to hate ATS. People are so determined to cling to their conspiracies that they ignore everything that contradicts them. They make ridiculous demands for evidence and yet refuse to believe it when it is presented to them. They put words in others peoples' mouths and make straw man arguments when they don't actually have anything to support their own side of the argument?

Remember the pole shift (due to Planet X) that didn't happen in 2003? Remember the bird flu pandemic that didn't happen a few years ago? Remember the mandatory vaccinations that didn't happen last year? Remember how the LHC didn't destroy the Earth once it got turned on? Remember all the concern over earthquakes in 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009 etc. etc. and how they never turned out to be anything out of the ordinary? Have you noticed how ATS continues to proclaim gloom and doom and yet NOTHING has come of it?

THAT is what this bird nonsense is. It's ATS sensationalizing everything it can get its paranoid little hands on. I'm not saying everyone does this, but an alarmingly large number of people will believing anything that pops up on here. I hope people look back on this in a few months and realize how stupid it was to make a big deal out of this.



I do think it's finally time for me to quit this lunacy. See you, ATS. I'm glad to be rid of you.



posted on Jan, 7 2011 @ 12:40 AM
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I am going to go with delusional because I pointed out at least three time on page 4 you try to saying Tsuki-no-Hikari/me/meda are saying things that we never actually said.

Hints you making your first post on page 5 "No offense your new did you join ATS just to attack me? "

seriously man



posted on Jan, 7 2011 @ 12:40 AM
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it would need to be worse before i started thinking that, but i suppose your right, better to be safe.
but how would we know what is causing it? is anybody investigating who's words can trusted and is not just going to give a 'explanation' to make the public stop asking questions?

if it is some sort of natural die off as a result of natural changes, then what can we do? if it is done on purpose, then are we going to be told the truth as to what the culprit is?

either way all we can do is observe, wait and see.



posted on Jan, 7 2011 @ 12:46 AM
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Originally posted by Agent_USA_Supporter
So you joined just to attack me? you do know this site is ATS right any theories can be talked but without the personal attacks and also did you read the rules before joining i guess you haven't.


That is the thing you never actually talked about a theory, you just "debated" vs a bunch of stuff no one said but yourself.

By "debated" I mean you made a bunch of silly # up and tried to make it sound like it was coming from Tsuki, yaphun, or the media.
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posted on Jan, 7 2011 @ 12:48 AM
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I understand you frustrations completely. Sometimes I wish there was a website like ATS without all the crazies on it that twist everything around, and don't even know how to read, take your words and meaning out of context, constantly try to find flaws in what you say and when they don't find them they create loopy logic that only appears to make you sound wrong. They have selective reading, and ignore facts, and ask the same stupid questions without using any logic or reason. It makes me want to rip my hair out... some of these people are just.... gone. It's helpless.

Just let them panic and tremble in fear like they want. Let the media control their thoughts not by what is reported, but by how they respond to what is reported. Let them continue on their path to self destruction caused by their fear, paranoia, and their constant struggle to understand what is happening around them, never reaching a clear answer. They want it, let them have it.

[SNIP]


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posted on Jan, 7 2011 @ 12:53 AM
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Originally posted by Tsuki-no-Hikari
Forget it. I give up.



This is why I've come to hate ATS. People are so determined to cling to their conspiracies that they ignore everything that contradicts them. They make ridiculous demands for evidence and yet refuse to believe it when it is presented to them. They put words in others peoples' mouths and make straw man arguments when they don't actually have anything to support their own side of the argument?

Remember the pole shift (due to Planet X) that didn't happen in 2003? Remember the bird flu pandemic that didn't happen a few years ago? Remember the mandatory vaccinations that didn't happen last year? Remember how the LHC didn't destroy the Earth once it got turned on? Remember all the concern over earthquakes in 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009 etc. etc. and how they never turned out to be anything out of the ordinary? Have you noticed how ATS continues to proclaim gloom and doom and yet NOTHING has come of it?

THAT is what this bird nonsense is. It's ATS sensationalizing everything it can get its paranoid little hands on. I'm not saying everyone does this, but an alarmingly large number of people will believing anything that pops up on here. I hope people look back on this in a few months and realize how stupid it was to make a big deal out of this.



I do think it's finally time for me to quit this lunacy. See you, ATS. I'm glad to be rid of you.






This is why I've come to hate ATS. People are so determined to cling to their conspiracies that they ignore everything that contradicts them.



You do realize this ATS right a site full of conspiracies i believe the mainstream news media is working along with the pentagon if you don't believe you can find it out for yourself on your own.

the problem with the mainstream media they mix in lies in there reports, mix in lies and half truths in other reports so you really cant believe it all.


Are you actually believing that we are heading into a recovery? and the recession is really over.
To tell you the truth the recession isn't over.





THAT is what this bird nonsense is


Oh really? check the breaking news sections the massive dies offs are still happening.



posted on Jan, 7 2011 @ 01:01 AM
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For freaking Christ enough of the personal attacks on me.
I am not a troll another thing you don't see me calling other people trolls do you?


:To the mods sorry about previous statements, i just had enough of these dam insults!


Why are they always targeting me?


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posted on Jan, 7 2011 @ 01:09 AM
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** ATTENTION ALL **

ANY further off-topic posts and/or personal insults will result in post removal and/or a temporary post ban.

Discuss the topic, not your fellow members.



posted on Jan, 7 2011 @ 01:22 AM
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Originally posted by gift0fpr0phecy
reply to post by Tsuki-no-Hikari
 


I understand you frustrations completely. Sometimes I wish there was a website like ATS without all the crazies on it that twist everything around, and don't even know how to read, take your words and meaning out of context, constantly try to find flaws in what you say and when they don't find them they create loopy logic that only appears to make you sound wrong. They have selective reading, and ignore facts, and ask the same stupid questions without using any logic or reason. It makes me want to rip my hair out... some of these people are just.... gone. It's helpless.

Just let them panic and tremble in fear like they want. Let the media control their thoughts not by what is reported, but by how they respond to what is reported. Let them continue on their path to self destruction caused by their fear, paranoia, and their constant struggle to understand what is happening around them, never reaching a clear answer. They want it, let them have it.

[SNIP]


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you got it wrong...conspiracies are caused by not being a sheep and believing whatever the media tells you..if the government wasn't so distrustful (you might believe whatever Fox News tell you)..then conspiracies would never would exist..I personally don't know what to think from these massive animal dies off...I believe an eye should be raised when something abnormal does occur like these recent events..doesn't mean I think the world is ending or what have you...it is a dangerous position to have IMO to ignore things like they don't happen..like the logic that ehh..global warming is nothing lets ignore anything that might have to do with it...things should be questioned



posted on Jan, 7 2011 @ 01:22 AM
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On average, 163 such events are reported to the federal government each year, according to USGS records. And there have been much larger die-offs than the 3,000 blackbirds in Arkansas. Twice in the summer of 1996, more than 100,000 ducks died of botulism in Canada.


DUCKS DIED OF BOTULISM... Except this time, NO DISEASE KILLED THOSE BIRDS... and it happened in SEVERAL COUNTRIES... to DIFFERENT SPECIES of birds... and in a short period of time.

Sorry.... but no.

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posted on Jan, 7 2011 @ 01:27 AM
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Star and Flag for OP.

I'm sorry to be in the minority opinion on this one, but you're all barking at shadows.

There has NOT been an increase in mass bird/fish deaths in the recent days/weeks.

There has been an increase in the REPORTING of such instances. The OP is absolutely correct in pointing out that these are common and frequent occurrences.

Look at the agenda setting - not the "news", but what is the "news trying to do". Ya get me?



posted on Jan, 7 2011 @ 01:27 AM
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Originally posted by yaphun
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You mean this ?
articles.cnn.com...:US

If so please send me a link where the birds are "crushed".

do you know what massive trauma means ??



posted on Jan, 7 2011 @ 01:31 AM
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Now I talked to an ornithologist today.... and he told me that this was all normal... and that it was usually occurring near rivers and in forests... so it wasn't reported.

As for what killed the birds... he told me ``high altitude tornadoes/high winds`` sending the birds to their death...

I laughed to his face.



posted on Jan, 7 2011 @ 01:32 AM
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Originally posted by Tsuki-no-Hikari
reply to post by Agent_USA_Supporter
 



*sigh*

Nobody said anything about birds being hit by fireworks. The fireworks went off near a roost of birds. The birds got scared and started flying around. They can't see well at night, so they hit buildings, utility poles, etc and died from the blunt trauma.

It's not hard to understand.

why doesn't this happen more regularly ? this is the first occurence I have heard of fireworks scaring a massive amount of birds into walls..and 5,000 birds crashing into a wall...sorry I don't see that happening



posted on Jan, 7 2011 @ 02:10 AM
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Originally posted by primetime2123

Originally posted by yaphun
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You mean this ?
articles.cnn.com...:US

If so please send me a link where the birds are "crushed".

do you know what massive trauma means ??



Trauma: Any injury, whether physically or emotionally inflicted. "Trauma" has both a medical and a psychiatric definition. Medically, "trauma" refers to a serious or critical bodily injury, wound, or shock. This definition is often associated with trauma medicine practiced in emergency rooms and represents a popular view of the term. In psychiatry, "trauma" has assumed a different meaning and refers to an experience that is emotionally painful, distressful, or shocking, which often results in lasting mental and physical effects.


When you have things like internal bleeding you would add the word massive.

It does not mean "crushed". Sure being crushed by something would be massive trama, but in NO reports say or even give the idea of the birds being crushed.

Some extra reading on internal bleeding, if you are interested.

What causes internal bleeding?

Bleeding most often occurs due to injury, and depending upon the circumstances, the amount of force required to cause bleeding can be quite variable.

Blunt trauma

Most people understand that falling from a height or being involved in a car accident can inflict great force and trauma upon the body. If blunt force is involved, the outside of the body may not necessarily be damaged, but enough compression may occur to internal organs to cause injury and bleeding.

* Imagine a football player being speared by a helmet to the abdomen. The spleen or liver may be compressed by the force and cause bleeding inside the organ. If the hit is hard enough, the capsule or lining of the organ can be torn, and the bleeding can spill into the peritoneum (the space in the abdominal cavity that contains abdominal organs such as the intestines, liver, and spleen).

* If the injury occurs in the area of the back or flank, where the kidney is located, retroperitoneal bleeding (retro=behind; behind the abdominal cavity) may occur.

* The same mechanism causes bleeding due to crush injuries. For example, when a weight falls on a foot, the weight doesn't give, nor does the ground. The force needs to be absorbed by either the bone or the muscles of the foot. This can cause the bone to break and/or the muscle fibers to tear and bleed.

* Other structures are compressible and may cause internal bleeding. For example, the eye can be compressed in the orbit when it is hit by a fist or a ball. The globe deforms and springs back to its original shape. Intraorbital hemorrhage may occur.

www.medicinenet.com...

Again there is no reason to think the birds were crushed.

Now please read all the links and then answer my question,
do you know what massive trauma means ??
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