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FACT CHECK: Mass bird, fish deaths occur regularly

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posted on Jan, 8 2011 @ 12:12 AM
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posted on Jan, 8 2011 @ 12:16 AM
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That is enough of the childishness it stops now, or Post Bans are to follow

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posted on Jan, 8 2011 @ 12:31 AM
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edit on 8-1-2011 by Paroxysm because: (no reason given)



posted on Jan, 8 2011 @ 12:40 AM
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Dont speak for everybody bc that is the vibe i get ...it doesnt have to be said. Dont feel so guilty like i was speaking to you directly. People on ATS and ppl in general are pain freaks and/or dramaqueens. They are wanting...as someone said.

ATS used to seem like a think-tank to me. Now its more like an outlet for the blind and delusional...bickering with words lacking substance.



posted on Jan, 8 2011 @ 01:10 AM
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www.greenerideal.com...

25 to 75 million shark deaths per year, just for soup,

just sayin



posted on Jan, 8 2011 @ 03:54 AM
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Ok i guess its just normal, ill stop asking questions and just be on my merry way, what was i thinking really, what do i know, tv said so lol
edit on 8-1-2011 by dukeofjive because: i lose my english sometimes heeh



posted on Jan, 8 2011 @ 05:31 AM
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I need a CLEAR answer here, and I didn't see it yet!

Can somebody please give it to me?



posted on Jan, 8 2011 @ 06:08 AM
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well here's a balanced article on BBC about it www.bbc.co.uk...



Conspiracy theorists have rushed to conclude that the apocalypse is nigh, while other people have mooted the idea of collisions with UFOs, or government testing of satellite-powered energy weapons.

BBC surfs ATS



But the die-off, which took place on New Year's Eve, was most likely caused by fireworks, local experts say.Scientists from the Arkansas Game and Fish Commission said the red-winged blackbirds probably flew low to avoid the turn-of-the-year fireworks and collided with objects.

But Grahame Madge, conservation spokesman for the Royal Society for the Protection of Birds (RSPB), describes the Arkansas case as "bizarre and mysterious", and says that it would be "almost unique" in the UK.
He suggests that the birds may have in fact been poisoned, arguing that it was a strange coincidence that the mass deaths involved the red-wing blackbird, which is considered an "agricultural pest".

"It is intriguing that the bird at the epicentre of this particular incident is also the most hated," he says.
He says they are sometimes targeted with a poison that affects the water repellency of the birds. As a result, they get wet and cold and develop pneumonia.

"If they took flight and were experiencing extreme cold or suffering the effects of the poison, it is possible that that brought them down," he adds.Arkansas officials said preliminary testing showed no sign of disease in the dead birds and that they died of "acute physical trauma".

But Mr Madge says this could have occurred when they came into contact with buildings or the ground.
Investigations are ongoing to work out the cause of the deaths in Arkansas Martin Fowlie from Birdlife International says the firework explanation is a plausible one.




Mr Fowlie said because die-offs usually occurred in smaller numbers, many of them go unreported. It could be that the size of Arkansas incident, combined with the fact that it took place at the turn of a new year and was followed shortly after by another die-off, prompted wider reporting of the subsequent incidents, as people tried to join up the dots.




Kristen Schuler, a scientist at the US Geological Survey's National Wildlife Health Center, told the Associated Press that the incidents of the past week were "not that unusual".




"Science is struggling to explain these things. These are examples of the surprises that nature can still bring," said Nick Nuttall, a spokesperson for UNEP. "More research is needed."

The RSPB's Grahame Madge says there has been some degree of hysteria after this week's bird incidents.
"I think there are people trying to join the dots. There is a great deal of speculation about whether it is a global phenomenon. "What we are dealing with is separate incidents, which have different reasons. We are not undergoing a mass wipe-out of birds."

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posted on Jan, 8 2011 @ 07:21 AM
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yes and the birds were destroyed from the inside out by fireworks all around the world right? people will believe it doesnt matter if it makes sense or not. as long as mainstream media says it it must be true.



posted on Jan, 8 2011 @ 10:07 AM
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Originally posted by Tsuki-no-Hikari
reply to post by Lemon.Fresh
 


From the link above:


Roberts tells the fate of migrating Lapland Longspurs on the night of March 13-14, 1904 which 'was very dark but not cold, and a heavy, wet snow was falling with but little wind stirring. Migrating Longspurs came from the Iowa prairies in a vast horde, and from 11 P.M. until morning, incredible numbers met their deaths in and about villages by flying against buildings, electric light poles and wires, and by dashing themselves forcibly onto the frozen ground and ice.' In Worthington, Minnesota, an attempt was made to compute the numbers lying dead on two lakes with an aggregate area of about two square miles. 'A conservative estimate showed that there were at least 750,000 dead Longspurs lying on the two lakes along!' The total area on which dead migrants were found covered approximately 1,500 square miles."


It's easy to ridicule people for asking questions just not believing what they are told. In this case, you have dead birds but with an explanation as to why they died. In the case of the Arkansas kills there is no real explanation so far. Test done on the birds have not come back. No one should be jumping to conclusions here, including yourself. Just because animal kills in the past have been investigated and explained does not make these animal kills the same. Of course, on the other hand it doesn't make them different, either.

You're making the same mistake that the people you're arguing with are making.



posted on Jan, 8 2011 @ 10:13 AM
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Originally posted by Tsuki-no-Hikari

FACT CHECK: Mass bird, fish deaths occur regularly


dailyme.com

On average, 163 such events are reported to the federal government each year, according to USGS records. And there have been much larger die-offs than the 3,000 blackbirds in Arkansas. Twice in the summer of 1996, more than 100,000 ducks died of botulism in Canada.
(visit the link for the full news article)


Related News Links:
www.nwhc.usgs.gov


Also, titling your thread with FACT CHECK and not having any facts about the occurrences that going on now calls into question your fact checking abilities. It is true that animal kills have happened. I've heard of it before myself.

What bothers me is the occurrence of these so close together and the FACT that most of the animals dropped dead from the open sky. If evidence can be given that will show they were naturally occurring deaths, then so be it. But, you have to understand that to blow off any other suggestion is ignorant.



posted on Jan, 8 2011 @ 10:17 AM
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Originally posted by AndrewJay
yes and the birds were destroyed from the inside out by fireworks all around the world right? people will believe it doesnt matter if it makes sense or not. as long as mainstream media says it it must be true.


Exactly! People use fireworks to scare birds out of trees for various reasons. They don't drop dead. I'm sure that they could die from the sudden scare, but that would probably be rare.

Now, it could have been that the fireworks scared them into buildings and trees. I don't know about that one though because they were falling down everywhere.



posted on Jan, 8 2011 @ 10:20 AM
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New Years Eve is not exactly a slow news day.



posted on Jan, 8 2011 @ 10:42 AM
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That's what I'm saying.

Yes there have been mass deaths of a species before but how many UNexplained mass deaths in different parts of the world within a couple of days of each other have there been?

These unexplained mass deaths are anything BUT normal.And the fact that all these mass deaths are happening within a few days is pretty darn scary.

If it's such a normal occurrence then why are they making a big deal out of it?

And whatever you do..don't say it isn't normal or you will be labeled a "conspiracy theorist"..which the government has labeled "crazy".So tread carefully.

I don't care what they label me..it's not normal just because it happens a lot..how does that make it normal?No,that makes it regular..not normal.It's a regular occurrence not a normal one.Thousands of birds falling out of the sky with no explanation is not a regular occurrence.

Peace.
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posted on Jan, 8 2011 @ 11:44 AM
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sorry but your being the one led by the mass media into believing soemthing new & scary is happening. The panic merchants are the ones who are sheep. Arkansas is unusually large but still not unique in modern history never mind the history of planet earth.

If something new and scary is happening we should see huge reduction in bird populations leading to rapid extictions of species in the next year or two. Personally i dont think we will see that. I think 1 large event reported by the MSN in this era of instant worldwide media comms has led to others reporting similar but much much smaller incidents which usually go unreported giving the impression this is some new phenomenon when history & stats show it isn't.

Time will tell lets see whos right.



posted on Jan, 8 2011 @ 11:53 AM
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Case a point:

Sentinel Warning: What may the birds be telling us?

A 2004 thread I have been updating for years now.

But I'm not sure one can equate 'regular' with 'natural' or 'beneficial'.

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posted on Jan, 8 2011 @ 12:38 PM
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Of course it is, when looked at in the right light - it's a day that local and national news channels sit on their hands, "summarize" the year before, and set up what will be the first hysterics of the year- New Years Day is literally the first day of a new year, nothing notable has happened yet.

Until something like the birds come along, something natural that, due to human interference with their habitat, falls on a slow, usually boring and repetitive news day. The MSM grabs ahold of it and squeezes every possible angle out of it to attract the common man who is at home nursing a hangover. The populace, in a even more weakened state, ingests the first sensationalized story of the year.

And so another cycle begins again.



posted on Jan, 8 2011 @ 01:13 PM
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Originally posted by Gorman91
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Actually, yes. AIDS did the same thing. It's called activation.


So . . . thousands of people died all at the same time, in the same place . . . because of AIDS?



posted on Jan, 8 2011 @ 01:19 PM
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Actually. yes. Various people rapidly developed the disease at the same time. Now nothing dies at the precise same time, and neither did these birds. They died within a short time period. And yes, Aids did the same thing. In humans it took a bit longer because we're bigger and more resistant.

That's why when AIDS first came out they thought it was a gay only disease, because it quickly spread into places with high sexual activity. That happened to be gays to be first infected. What I've heard is that the original person happened to be gay and transport monkeys or something. Anyway, some time later, rapidly all the disease activated within short time and quickly became widespread.

Many diseases are like this. They even anticipate it in England, when Mad Cow Disease will activate in about 20 years to all the unfortunate people who ate that tainted meat 20 years ago. It's around 40 something years to activate I believe.



posted on Jan, 8 2011 @ 02:19 PM
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Originally posted by ElliotNoir
reply to post by Lemon.Fresh
 

Dont speak for everybody bc that is the vibe i get ...it doesnt have to be said. Dont feel so guilty like i was speaking to you directly. People on ATS and ppl in general are pain freaks and/or dramaqueens. They are wanting...as someone said.

ATS used to seem like a think-tank to me. Now its more like an outlet for the blind and delusional...bickering with words lacking substance.


Well seeing how it is . . . 3 or 4 people who have stuck with this thread a bit, and saying it is not normal (me, HunkaHunka, Sentinal, maybe some others) amd mo ome has said that in this thread, or even gone that direction . . .



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