reply to post by KilgoreTrout
No that is not what I meant, but nevermind.
Roman Catholicism is a system of absolute control..and excessive ritual of the type in which the the Pharisees were engaged. It is in essence
Hellenic Pharisee ism...verses Judiac Phariseeism. A quest for Absolute Power. What the RCC did under Constantine was make the State into a Church
when they figured out that Christianity was going to be their greatest problem. It is no different on the inside in its quest for Absolute power than
were the Caesars or divine right kings. It controlled male and female both and does so today.
It has however..come into conflict with other religions seeking their form of Absolute Power. For example the Anglican Church...and many of the
The manner in which this is done by Rome is hidden even from the members and even much of the priesthood.
You limit your response to yourself and your experience. Widen your perception, the world does not revolve around you.
Yes I do indeed. I do not quote something I saw in a movie or on television to make my points. I choose not to live second hand or vicariously by this
medium. I do not consider a movie and television template to be a good foundation for making decisions and judgements. No RISK involved but one can
consider ones self to be an expert and experienced because we have seen this in a movie and television.
I have taught this template to several of the guys and some of the women with whom I work. Most of them don't get it ..they are so heavily involved in
the emotional Television/ movie drug habit..they no longer know the difference or even care.
Some of them, however few, have actually caught on and have told me that they now recognize this template in others....that they cannot relate an idea
or concept outside of some movie or television program they have watched...that they live second hand lives..have second hand emotions, second hand
thoughts, They are often not even their own emotions and thoughts but someone else's and they don't even seem to know the difference.
They recognize that some of us are on a string and know it not. Some are trying to recognize and identify the strings and sever them.
Why do you spend so much time thinking about what others are doing, and how they define themselves? What do you do to change those
perceptions? Other than criticise their relationships with women that is.
I am an observer of this world and the things of this world. As to what I do to change those perceptions..I just told you one of the things I do. I
drop a seed into their mind to awaken them to things they are not naturally inclined about which to think and recognize in the world about them. I was
quite surprised to learn from some of the seed dropped..that some of these peoples now recognize this television/movie/ pubic education template
around them..in everything. Even in our leaders. And this current American leader in particular..no real life experiences ..just speeches. No record
or real RISK taking.
It is from template recognition like this that I have come to realize and understand that the standards and requirements for President of the United
States are not a high as most of us think. They are actually quite low. Same with Senator, Congressman, Supreme Court Justice ...et al. Political
connections seem to be more important and becoming quite transparent as to this status. This is in sharp contrast as to what is supposed to be a
"represenative government." What thinking people begin to ask is representing whom or what?? You see!!??
Oh..I wouldn't take it so personal Kilgore Trout..what upsets so many of the males is when I tell them that I don't watch sports..no use for it
outside of a good fishing program. I don't watch sports nor purchase the products surrounding this sports format.
There seems to be a sort of default setting that to be a man or male that you must needs be on the sports bandwagon. I don't happen to think so No
thanks..not for me. I have little use for sports, alcohol, cheerleader mindsets. When the guys start talking about the Heroes/demigods of sports I
leave. Not for me.
This too is living second hand/vicarious to me. It is not just the women who are deeply involved in this.
See above response...do you not spend and consume? What is the point of all those RISKS for all those MONIES, do you stuff your mattress
LOL LOL...apparently you are getting frustrated here. I do indeed consume. I do not, however, define myself by the things that I consume...but how I
think and do. ..or conversely do not do. There is a problem with this? Should I join the world template and define myself by my sexuality/sexual
orientation, the goods I consume or plan to consume? Not by what I know, think, or are capable of doing...ie...RISK Taking??
Do you feel that you should be considered a victim? Are you jealous of these women and their RISK-free monies?
I am glad you asked this question. I am looking for a free makeover out of this...and also a spot on Dr Phil!!
I'm being facetious of course.
No, I am just addressing something which attemtps to cure an inequality which is not there. It is false a hoax...ie..politics. Selling the souls of
others in order to default through unquestioned and unchallanged.
For example..this here...
If you don't like all the consumeristic expression, oppose it, stop taking RISKS for MONIES and then you won't have to go to those stores
and witness this debacle. Or shop online.
Originally posted by orangetom1999
This is what has become of the "Woman's" Struggle Kilgore Trout...not the struggle of our grandmothers or great grandmothers time..but rampant runaway
consumerism..to the point where now women define themselves so often and flagrantly by what they consume.. not by what they know.
People who take risks for something as mundane and selfish as money bore me beyond compare, but I accept that it is your choice.
Nor will those who are totally conditioned by the system that can buy people's lives and make them feel above everyone else.
Do you have anything original to say on this matter or are you going to keep repeating the same tired old argument over and over again?
*YAWN* I'm really sorry about my lack of patience but, you know it's been a hard week at work. I don't get paid nearly as much as you do, not because
I'm a woman but because I won't work for a for-profit organisation. It's a risk I take, security wise, but I am helping to improve the continuity of
supply and developing more effective treatments for Malaria, so you know, it has it's satisfactions. Evens things out.
In none of these quotes I make of your statements, are you debating or questioning the point or points of which I make that this is accurate of much
of what is going on out here. That what I am stating is false. This is a very interesting and telling omission on your part.
I do not tell others how to spend their monies. I am not a government that I should or would regulate peoples as such.
I will however...leave my grocery basket at the check out stand and just walk out when the service is bad or the cashiers very stupid and ignorant. I
have done this several times. My time is a valuable commodity in this world. I dont have to think and act in lock step with everyone else.
The last time I did this the cashier told me that this is the express line...20 items of less. I told her that since this is the express line...she
can get someone to express these items back to the bins. This is managements fault for not having sufficient lines open. I dont have to put up with
that as well..but can cut myself out "Options" and not be thus bound to nonsense. All you have to do is to teach yourself to think differently. I try
not to be constrained in the manner as are most peoples..this begins with thinking. Not group think per se.
You see Kilgore Trout..I also have in my pocket right now ..a set of lock picks/shims. I have taught myself to not only make them..but use them as
well. I am not bound as are other people when I lock my keys in my truck or lock myself out of my house. It is just a matter of looking at the world
and thinking ..then acting outside of what constraints most peoples put upon themselves. It also takes knowing about RISK.
As to hard day/weeks at work..I too have them...no matter how I think or don't think. No problem.
I am all for economic collapse and austerity measures.
I am not for economic collapse and austerity measures. Many peoples have worked their whole lives for a goal and are about to have this taken from
them by government mismanagement.
However..this is coming weather we are ready for it or not.
I am in contact with certain peoples in the UK and I am aware that it is coming more rapidly there than here.
Your government is squandering your livelihoods and production abilities faster than ours here..but it will all end up in the same train wreck stop by
the time they get done selling all of our souls.
Your government is seeking more control over your peoples and more rapidly than we here. But our government is attempting to follow this same template
as "Enlightened" even "Civilized." In the end ..it will be neither.
I am also aware of what has happened in Argentina with the austerity measures forced on them by the IMF Banks.
Who devised the strategy to institute the Apostolic Succession of the English Church? What were their motives and how were they able to convince Henry
that is would solve all his problems? And at what costs? What was occuring in the wider world that necessitated such machinations? In the short term
it may seem like a poor decision, or a selfish one on Henry's part, but look at the long game.
Henry set in motion a series of events which would change the western world forever. I don't think this was his intent but it happened. It was his
daughter..Elizabeth who would set the trend which would later be taken up by Oliver Cromwell. For you see...Elizabeth was mostly a party girl. As long
as she had her horses to ride and her lovers...she was not interested in that much governing or ruling. As a result the English peoples had a measure
of liberty. When Elizabeth died she was sorely missed.
It was James 1st who with his publishing of the King James Bible...who caused, with this Bible, certain peoples to realize that the King was only an
administrator of just English Laws. The King was not "Divine Right and did not have absolute power. This particularly among devout stiff necked
Puritans...one of whom was Oliver Cromwell.
When later ..Charles 1st broke the Magna Carta and attempted to levy his own tax in violation of said Magna Carta....the ground was set for Civil War.
This could not have happened in a Catholic Country.
For you see..the Magna Carta states that only parliament can levy a tax.
Cromwell sold the people out to the Capitalists. He was by no means a Socialists. See; The Levellers and the Diggers.
Cromwell was indeed a type of Capitalist...in that he believed that people should be industrious. He was not a socialist except in the
Church/religious sense. You are correct in this.
There is nothing wrong in peoples being industrious and reaping the benefits of such individual industry.
Yes, because your country was founded for trade exploitation and eventually the trade barons start to resent having to send money back to
somewhere they nolonger consider home or to take orders from them. George said that settlers should not go beyond the Appallachians, they saw riches
to exploit in them thar hills and ignored that. The rest, as they say, is history.
It was Cromwell who set the precedent for this Revolution here in America. When the king had broken the law..could a people turn on their king. Did
history have such an example of a people turning on their king. Cromwell had settled that question. You see..up until America...taxes collected in the
colonies were to be used for the administration of those colonies. George had gotten involved like Charles in another continental war and needed
capital. Hence he taxed the colonies and took the monies home to England. The Colonists found this repugnant to their taste and to English precedent
And this history is carefully hidden from Americans..particularly about the precedent set by Oliver Cromwell and the Pruitans in the American
Revolution. We are never on our own to be able to think outside the box or make such an historical connection. Much less..to act on it..or hold our
government accountable. This is to me why history is such an poorly taught subject today ...some of us might make the connections and think or act out
of lock step.
I don't really know what your argument is here, my rulers, are that, my rulers. They are not the people. The people always prevail, the
rulers come and go.
You miss the point entirely Kilgore Trout. The people may prevail..but at what cost?? Ordo Ob Chao..order from chaos is the motto of several occult
groups out here.
Government has been known to cause alot of chaos amongst their peoples before the peoples finally act.
Not only that ..if a revolution takes place or a civil war..what are the chances of getting a government better than the one replaced..particularly
among gnostic, educated, intelligent men.
What happened after the French Revolution, the Russian Revolution, the Cultural Revolution in China? The Khmer Rouge in Cambodia? What happened after
all the various African nations which were given their "Self Determination?"
How many peoples have been killed, murdered, and slaughtered across this globe since the time of the "Enlightenment??"
More have been slaughtered and at a faster rate than in prior history since the French revolution..times of Wise Men...Gnostic Intelligences running
things than in the years before.
What you have going on out here Kilgore Trout..is the same template amongst various gnostic systems with science helping to achieve the results and
decimationg millions and millions. It is the same Pharoah, RCC, Gnostic system of olde. Nothing changed.
But that is not how your history books read about it.
I shan't be responding to any more of your posts...for one reason alone you are able to point the finger at others but what about you...why
are you so fixated with your supposed RISKS and MONIES? Don't you feel valued? What is it with that? To give a little literary context...
Peoples willing to take RISKS with their time and monies is the system which has produced the greatest plenty this world has ever known...and ever
will know. This plenty has been exported to other nations to make a difference in their lives.
Most nations have had resources but not the knowledge and political systems which would allow these resources to be used to the benefit of their
peoples. Most nations had and still have a variation of Feudalism under various guises...a few living off the work and labor/'Risks of others. This is
textbook particularly of the olde Soviet system. It may have looked different on the surface but make no mistake ..it was Feudal.
No other system have been devised among men which can better make use of the productive capacities of men outside of capitalism. This should be
obvious to many by the economic track record of this current American Administration. What is happening in Europe and the Continent is another.
As to this Kilgore Trout....
Clarice Starling: You see a lot, Doctor. But are you strong enough to point that high-powered perception at yourself? What about it? Why
don't you - why don't you look at yourself and write down what you see? Or maybe you're afraid to.
So, Orangetom, what made you this way? Tell me about your father and mother...where do you come from?
This is not worthy of your skills to use/misuse a television or movie show to make a point here. Do you not have real life experiences of your own
on which to draw?? You confirm once again the point I was telling up further in this post about a movie/television education.
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