Originally posted by tiger5
I don't think we are reading the same article. Also his thoughts seem to have a lot of background resonance with some of the Nuts on ATs. There is a greneral whinny section of men that just cry because of their consistent inability to learn from previous relationship failures.

I have never had anything to do with females ever, and they absolutely set out to destroy my life.

I would be dead now or in prison if it was there way and i have never committed a crime ever, so these people go round planning pre meditated murder using police and gov and its ok as its females and they can just make it up.

But thats ok with you as a female is allowed to want to have my life destroyed as i did nothing to that gender ever.

Amazing how people justify there beliefs on nothing, and try to have a go at people for speaking truths.

If your aiming at people like me, thats my response to you but if your not, i am speaking for the others who will speak out.

I think that the feminist movement actually taught men that we too could have a variety of different roles. I don't think that we men have been feminised at all. I am noty a feminist as I still like contact sports and play as a veteran ( over 50) and also like what has been called the macho side of life.

I still feel that they are bloggers just are bunch of kids who can't get their way. They are dinosaurs who will not go quietly into extiction. Face it most of us are serial monogamists. We do not swear off women just because we meet a dud?

I am interested in this and sim topics, in a general way. And how people's perceptions might affect me.

I decided that I can't really debate it - because I'm rather odd. I'm outside of it all. I've lead an unusual life and went down a strange path. Some was choice, some circumstance.

I do not wish to be discriminated against, or judged though.

I'm female, btw. And I am rather weird

I don't care if people judge me for what I have done - I gotta do what I gotta do.

It does sometimes bother me, some things, like men who think women who workout are "butch". Hey, I'm trying to keep in shape for my health, and although I'm fairly young - I think I'm getting Arthritis And then there are the men who complain of "fat" women - well it seems as if you are damned if you do and damned if you don't, eh?

So - do what you wanna do! And if people don't like it - well - you know how the rest of the saying goes

I don't take some of these misogynist rants so seriously neither - either the person is angry, and/or - they're trying to be controversial on purpose to gain a following. Or deliberately baiting arguments. Some combo thereof.

HotBakedTater - You should DEFINITELY go to school! You are a good writer and debater also, you would do well in this arena as well.

Totally off topic, but anywho.

I think that hypermasculinity is just a cop out.

It is the easy way of pretending to have the "manly" traits of our fathers and forefathers.

However, as my father told me, to be a man you need to only be as strong of arm as required, but you need to be strong of heart for your whole family.

I'm guessing it sounds far more poetic in Polish...not 100% sure on that.

Well, now I've had some thoughts on the "Metrosexual" idea -

In some ways, it is not what people think. I live in an urban area - greatest city in the USA! Or in the entire World! -As one local DJ says - Point being - as you can imagine - this place is crawling with Hipsters. I am one too, I will admit

Also crawling with "Yuppies", "Biz Types", etc, anything you can imagine. And some take it seriously, might even be "who they are" and they do care so to speak, and some are just "posers". Goes for whatever type of people.

Now back to the "Hipsters": Some of these people - really work hard and bust their butts. There *is* a legit art scene here, as well as fashion, and music - of all kinds - and you *can* get work in these businesses here, from low level to high level - but you have to hustle as you do with most lines of work.

And of course in "the arts" you have to work even somewhat harder. There's alot of talented people out there. Esp in a large urban area. People come here for that - to study it, work in it, buy and sell it. You have to hustle.

And there are many who are hard workers - how else will you get ahead? Sure, "connections" and "networking" , and ass kissing and further, go on too - just like *any other biz*.

And some of these "Artists" DO work hard and do try. Don't sneer at a person in ratty clothes smoking cheap cigs and drinking PBR - they might be selling paintings for 10K a pop

I'm an "outside observer" on this too, I am a Biz Person, on the technical side. But I hang around with these types of people, I live in the "Hipster" area LOL And - there is the idea of "support the local arts" etc.
I go to local shows, will wear local designers' clothes and tell others where I got them - there are serious sides to this, hard working people. People try to help each other out, too - it is not all "fake".

And people come from all over the world to buy things here. There is a large, legit market. Another example - some "construction guy" sorts here - who perhaps even moved here - to do more "custom" and unique work. Construction Hipster

Which I suppose is yet more example of why we need to look at people *as individuals*. And get to know them.

"Hipsters" and "Metrosexuals" (as well as "Yuppies" and "Biz Jerks", and anyone of course) are not necessarily what you might imagine. Hey - even John Wayne took a bath and wore suits and stuff too!