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Originally posted by gandalph
The robot-like state in the garden of Eden is just one interpretation and has nothing to do with freedom, and since the story is taken from the Bible, we should critique it against the rest of the book - it doesn't hold water.
The very fact that Adam/Eve *could* make the decision to break out shows that they were not robots, and that they could exercise free will.
Moreover, Jesus is described as being a perfect man, equivalent to the original Adam (pre-sin). I don't think there is anything written in the gospels or the new testament that will make you believe that he had a robot-like state of mind. He certainly possessed the knowledge of what was good and what was bad.
So, another theory, though interesting from a philosophical standpoint, isn't biblical.
Originally posted by gandalph
reply to post by filosophia
Wrong on the first count, right on the second count.
However, this has nothing to do with the original post, so let's just stay on topic.
Originally posted by Griffo
reply to post by BobbinHood
I don't know if I'm just making this up, but I'm sure I read somewhere that the vatican had come out and admitted the story of genesis was in fact metaphorical and was not to be taken as fact.
If so, then clearly original sin would not exist either, therefore what was the point in Jesus 'sacrificing' himself?
Not really directed at you, just saying
Originally posted by filosophia
It's on topic, the bible is a compilation of nonsense, which basically is the main idea of the opening post of this thread.
If Adam and Jesus were both pre-sin, it means when the bible said that God created the first man, Adam, the bible is lying, since Jesus had to have also been made. Technically, if Jesus is pre-sin, then Adam is not the first person since the first person is Jesus.
If Jesus is God, then there is no reason for Jesus to call God "father" in the book of John.
So you see, anything pertaining to the nonsense of the bible is relevant to this thread.
Then we must work to overcome our original sin, which is impossible, caused by Adam eating the fruit of knowledge, giving him reason and intelligence, meaning reason and intelligence is antithesis to the mythical garden of eden, which is more of a robotic garden then anything else, where Adam was a robot serving God prior to his knowledge, it was because he gained the knowledge of God and saw behind the curtains that he "sinned"
I am a Christian and I agree with John Galt. Original sin is ridiculous.
Originally posted by sara123123
Don't be so quick to agree with an ignorant suggestion given by a missionary of the church of materialism - atheism.