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...or something a bit more involved, like the ability of a moderator to put something above the OP that says something like "Significant questions as to the accuracy of the claims in this post have been raised" if such evidence is posted.
Originally posted by adjensen
reply to post by Bicent76
So, that's one vote for encouraging stupidity? The wisdom of your six months of ATS membership beyond mine is that the dumber everyone else is, the smarter you appear to be?
Sorry, my point, and the point of this thread, is that an attitude such as yours damages ATS, as much as it impacts the collective intelligence of the site's participants. In a forum that aspires to deny ignorance, your embracement of it cannot be seen as anything but a deficiency, and whether your motivation is disinformation or self gratification, it doesn't really matter.
Knowledge is power. Encouraging idiocy for your own benefit is self serving, at best.
Originally posted by TrueBrit
reply to post by neformore
That sounds disturbingly like spin to me. You ever run for public office?
Im not being funny here neformore, I respect you and all, ATS needs to figure out if its denying ignorance, or allowing it on the basis that to fight it properly means denying some thier right to free speech.
Either way, denying the supremacy of science in its ability to explain what are in fact simple things, is ignorant. Supporting people who with no basis disagree with that, is promotion of ignorance.
Denial of that statement I just made is EVIDENCE of ignorance. So tell me , do you take sugar with your ignorance? Im just wondering, because it seems to me that if the thrust of what those who are speaking out against Adjensen here are saying, is supported by ATS then ATS must, for fear of false advertising change its motto .
You cannot deny ignorance if you deny science. Science is the only tool greater than debate in denying ignorance.
Originally posted by neformore
See above. Its perfectly easy to take the high ground here, but have you - or did Adjensen - explain to the author of that thread what science says, link to examples of how science has proved what it claims, and educate the poster contrary to their beliefs - or did you just dismiss the post as junk?
The former is denying ignorance. The latter simply promotes it.
Originally posted by TrueBrit
This ignorance is supported by number of interested posters, and by the fact that when cold hard logic and science are applied (in thier various forms, and dependant of course upon the situation) people get out the battle axes, and start attacking the voices of reason in thier midst, and yet it is not those ignorant savages who get set upon by moderate or undecided persons, but the persons speaking logical truth, and that cannot be tolerated if ignorance is to be denied and defeated in the long term.
Originally posted by TheBirdisDone
reply to post by Chadwickus
We are just sort of throwing ideas around here, about pole shifts and runway redesignation and wondering is there more to it - like that post it note brain storming session stuff they suggest in business improvement training for manager types. Nobody is putting on purple running suits and lacing up the nikes. Why be mean?
The FACT is, FACT, FACT, FACT, FACT . . . is that the Powers to Be, however you want to frame it DO NOT tell us what is going on about a lot of stuff . . . so people start to suspect that they are not telling us even MORE stuff. Of course you always suspect they don't tell you everything anyway. Hasn't this been going on since, well - the Tuskegee experiment as one example?
So lets agree here, maybe not on what is happening but on 3 things:
1. They don't tell us everything, or they do and they are wrong - like the earth is flat and ulcers are caused by stress. Later there are advancements and they understand and they usually don't deliver the apology letter in the mail to those that questioned the original story - actually they used to burn people at the stake for not agreeing with the current model of belief. This is HISTORY.
2. Stuff is dying we might want to get a little concerned about like bee's, which can effect pollenation, which can affect food supply. Even if it is a virus, or a mutation, or from genetically engineered corn, or too many cell phone towers. OR POLE SHIFTY WOBBLY THINGS, we might want to figure out WHY. This is where it can turn to BS if studies are corrupt or are paid for by those that have a vested, vested interest in keeping it hushed up.
3. Chicken little? This site is harmless really, you can choose to go to other threads on here - I stay out of whole topic areas because I just don't want to get involved. If you want to really talk about chicken little and fear mongering lets talk about guys, like um . . . Glen Beck a guy who reaches millions of people everyday with fear mongering, or lets go to the airport and watch TSA in action. This is just one thread on a CONSPIRACY WEBSITE. Don't you get it? This site is like the twilight zone, no need to personally get all riled up. Just say, well I disagree with you weirdo's and go pick another thread. If you find it uncomfortable that others won't agree with you - leave - the thread maybe it just isn't for you. What I find amusing is the constant appeal to experts back and forth. The best thing to come out of all this is WE JUST DON'T KNOW, maybe THEY just don't know either or maybe THEY don't want to tell us.
Bee's, Bats, Fish, Sea mammals, Birds. Are dying off.
Ok maybe fish kills happen. Bee's, Bats, Sea mammals, and Birds . . . all navigate. Bats and sea mammals I understand - sonar, and some of the big beaching incidents of whales and such are the result of military exercises, so maybe some expand on that and think HAARP. It's understandable.
This die off, this recent die off - maybe there is something to the fact we all hear more about it from all around the world because of instant access. But they did not die from fireworks. So maybe it is THEY that should shut up, maybe by telling us obvious BS - THEY - cause the fear. This thread or the countless others on this site haven't to my knowledge started the human lemming run yet . . . yet . . . although it is going to be interesting till 12-21-2012 for obvious reasons. People, even skeptical people are watching - and when THEY tell us garbage like fireworks caused this when it is obvious we would see MASS carnage after every 4th of July, it just does not help at all.