Qi'gong Master John Chang: "Great change is coming, old wisdom leaving.", page 3

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reply posted on 7-1-2011 @ 05:28 AM by Valdestine

Originally posted by sliceNodice
A big part of me is screaming fake. Another part of me says what is the point of being so skeptical? What do I have to gain by being so skeptical of something so amazing? Ego kudos and social acceptance is all I can think of. I feel compelled to dig deeper into this. Thank you for posting this video.

You have the truth to gain

whether you care about that or not is a personal issue

reply posted on 7-1-2011 @ 06:49 AM by YouSir

reply to post by Thekid90

I've never heard of John Chang before this thread, however I can affirm that "Falon Gong" or "Zhuan Falon" (by Li Hongzhi) is an extremely powerful form of cultivation. I would caution anyone that attempts to practice these forms and meditations. The energies, "Chi" or "Prana" in Buddhism\Hinduism are infinatly powerful and should not be cultivated in a light hearted fashion. I would also caution one to seek out a master to learn from and not attempt to travel this path alone.

The meditative state in such a practice is "Void" meditation, the other part of meditative practice is visualization.

YouSir

reply posted on 7-1-2011 @ 07:08 AM by Thekid90

Hey all, great posts, I would like to reply to all but, its a pain on mobile phones.

Capod2t - your posts have been informative and respectful, the topic is about the message, but meditation and chi is relative and imo important, I appreciate all the info, and solfeggio tones sound pretty good, I'm going to check out those artists as well.

Mayura - Thanks for your reply and tips, they're appreciated, and yes I've been thinking along those same lines.

Anazlyzing - That is an interesting angle on Chang's comment, that sounds perfectly reasonable. Also I never knew he wrote books, are they translated into English and online by any chance? Thanks for your post, I also agree that it is frustrating without a proper teacher. =/

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reply posted on 7-1-2011 @ 07:11 AM by old_god

The human body is like a capacitor, it can and will store great deals of energy over time - this can either be positive or negative.

We emit static electricity so based on current scientific thinking it's not hard to imagine how the body could physically store, use and direct energy.

I do a lot of martial arts and I can state first hand that Qi energy does exist and can be directed (at will) by a person.

reply posted on 7-1-2011 @ 07:12 AM by Thekid90

Originally posted by YouSir
reply to post by Thekid90

Very interesting, thanks for the names. I always assumed that chi harnessed with good intentions and abiding by karmic laws would inhibit any potential repurcussions. Could you shed any light on why exactly it is dangerous? I can understand a bit why, I wish to continue this discipline, especially with a teacher, unfortunately I'm at a loss to how I can find an efficient one.

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reply posted on 7-1-2011 @ 07:19 AM by Thekid90

Originally posted by Rockstrongo37

Are you weary of this discipline due to your experience with masters here in the states? Or is it more than that? I would say that your on to something that means chi mastery can be dangerous in ways, but if its because of your symptoms coming back from your experiences, maybe it stems from your teachers not being true masters?

I don't know but I would like to hear your first hand experiences with "masters"m

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reply posted on 7-1-2011 @ 07:31 AM by jbmitch

reply to post by Thekid90

After years of studing "hard style" martial arts, I went to a work out one evening with another friend who had transistioned to an "eternal" discipline. Chen style Tai Chi, I was impressed and began the transition myself to internal discipline. Unlike hard style martial arts you can maintain a "Hard-external" style of martial arts and remain relatively unchanged spiritually (which effects your whole personality. To enter into and immerse yourself in the internal arts..requires "life changes" emotionaly, spiritually, ethicly all your old western values have to change if you want to successfully persue the full impact of the internal arts specially Tai Chi and its vehicle Chi quong.
The reality of this master's abilities are deluded my western comcericalism of the "showy" aspects of abilities attributed to disciples of this discipline. All of the abilities and techniques demonstrated by this master are real, i have seen them demonstarted upon myself by my master. The development of this skills are predicated upon the time one spends dedicated to the practice of the art. As in the case of this master he had immersed himself, and used his skills to feed himself and help others. Unfortunately the concept of these values are lost on western society as seen by the skepticism of many of the respondants on this thread. And I agree the onus is upon the seeker to pursue enlightenment... if you dont believe its possible thats find there is no debt on my part to "prove" anything to anyone. This master shared his knowledge with the intent to give hope and direction for those who are looking for an alternative to the promdominate life style of most of humanity as seen in the western "commcerialism" of anything that might be bought or sold for personal gain with no sense of service to humanity. My opinion is that this master's spirit teacher was right and showed enough to the outside world.
Emphatically I re-inforce the position that this man's skills are within the reach of any human who pursues the discipline and its knowledge is ancient. Will it be lost from future generations who can say, perhaps the future holds a life style where internal dicipline values will replace the current world life styel of commcerialism.

reply posted on 7-1-2011 @ 07:33 AM by ThePeopleParty

The things id be able to do if I could wield this power!

imagine how cool you could look in a bar (or out side of one for most of us now days) asking some bird if she needs a light for that cig, or no more getting up to turn the channel over when I lose the remote.

Thanks for the thread OP, Im off to meditate

reply posted on 7-1-2011 @ 07:34 AM by jbmitch

reply to post by old_god

Yes it can and its is replenishable by simple movements of the body that generate the chi energy, unlike fatiuge that is experienced with external energy that is expended and exhausted.

reply posted on 7-1-2011 @ 07:35 AM by jbmitch

reply to post by YouSir

agreed, find a master and be prepared for life changes.

reply posted on 7-1-2011 @ 07:49 AM by Quasar_La-Zar

reply to post by komisch

I watched that video and it is good like you said, I recommend it to anyone that has 20 mins to spare.

As to the OP that man is very interesting and I would love to meet him, I find it unfortunate we could not have learned more about him, and his "old wisdom" for I would of listened. There is just so much we do not know and lost during history, I think it would be rather interesting to be around for all the points in humanities history then to visit this time and see how much we lost, it would be fascinating.

I'm not that big of a supporter of 2012, but I am kind of hoping something does happen on a global scale that changes us all, because right now our world is pretty heartless and unforgiving, for every "good" person there are dozens that are "bad" and a small group that are "very very bad [mass murders ie hitler]" , and I'm not sure what else other than a global event that would change our hateful personalities.

reply posted on 7-1-2011 @ 07:51 AM by Symer

I'm a little surprised by the lack of skeptics here so I'll bite:

"Great change is coming, old wisdom leaving"? Seriously? That's like the easiest prediction ever, right after predicting that the sun will rise in the east tomorrow. Nothing ever stays the same and time always passes. With the passing of time things will be forgotten. It has been that way since eternity and will always remain as such.

As for the tricks he performs in the video: I prefer to go with explanations that are straight-forward and that fit into our current understanding of the world, namely that John Chang is a con-artist. More details about the how he could have faked his tricks is found here.

Of course, my skepticism is based on a 10-week course in meditation I once followed. I went in being genuinely curious and eager to learn and I came out believing that all the eastern concepts of meditation, yoga and chi are based on nothing but suggestion, placebo-effect and hypnotism. Chi doesn't exist and meditation didn't do anything but waste my time.

I know everyone wants to believe we humans are capable of so much more. The fact that the old myth about us only using 10% of our brain stuck around for so long is because of this very reason. Many smart people have found ways to cash in on these dreams and claim supernatural abilities which they'll 'display' in exchange for money / attention / status. I believe John Chang to be one of them.

reply posted on 7-1-2011 @ 07:58 AM by Thekid90

Originally posted by jbmitch
reply to post by Thekid90

Thank you, very informative. On one hand, I want to go through these changes, and on the other my mind has been so conditioned to this western lifestyle that although I detest it, it definitely has some control over me. If you don't mind me asking, where do you live or rather where did you find this master?

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reply posted on 7-1-2011 @ 08:12 AM by Thekid90

Originally posted by Symer

I myself have been surprised by the lack of skeptism lol and I welcome it, a healthy bit of a skepticism is required I believe. I'll be honest, I'm not moved much by these skeptist claims, I will consider them however.

What I would like to hear of more is your experience with your teachers, and where you found them?

Originally posted by ThePeopleParty
The things id be able to do if I could wield this power! imagine how cool you could look in a bar (or out side of one for most of us now days) asking some bird if she needs a light for that cig, or no more getting up to turn the channel over when I lose the remote. Thanks for the thread OP, Im off to meditate

Lol, that reminds me of:

YouTube Link

It might be worst for you if you showed off then for Chang, at least he had his teacher warn him.

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reply posted on 7-1-2011 @ 08:22 AM by Realtruth

This is a very old video that has been discussed over an over on ATS.

I believe he is one of the few masters, that can actually demonstrate, and bridge the gap between physical and metaphysical.

reply posted on 7-1-2011 @ 08:26 AM by Mastermook

I've seen this video a few weeks ago, it was interesting.

Here's a website that debunks what he does.

www.unexplained-mysteries.com...

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Not sure if it's real or not, but anything is possible.

reply posted on 7-1-2011 @ 08:45 AM by ImaginaryReality1984

reply to post by Thekid90

I don't see what is so close minded to ask for proof other than video evidence shot by amateurs. If this guy were doing these things in a scientific environment then i would happily believe him, but all i see are various tricks which could be performed by anyone with a good level of skill in sleight of hand magic. As for people twitching, the placebo effect comes to mind.

Basically i'm calling this nonsense until i see proof and i find it odd that people are so quick to believe something without quality evidence.

reply posted on 7-1-2011 @ 08:58 AM by Thekid90

Originally posted by ImaginaryReality1984
reply to post by Thekid90

I don't see what is so close minded to ask for proof other than video evidence shot by amateurs. If this guy were doing these things in a scientific environment then i would happily believe him, but all i see are various tricks which could be performed by anyone with a good level of skill in sleight of hand magic. As for people twitching, the placebo effect comes to mind.

Basically i'm calling this nonsense until i see proof and i find it odd that people are so quick to believe something without quality evidence.

I don't believe I said anywhere that asking for proof is close minded, in fact I advocate the opposite, it's nice to believe in such a positive thing, however one must keep a healthy balance of skepticism and interest.

I for one didn't make this thread to discuss his validity, however that IF he is valid, then what does his "message" mean?

Originally posted by Mastermook
I've seen this video a few weeks ago, it was interesting. Here's a website that debunks what he does. www.unexplained-mysteries.com...
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Not sure if it's real or not, but anything is possible.

I read through that and did a few google searches, I can't find good videos displaying the same "tricks" used by Chang, I've read through what Randi suggests are tricks. Food for thought, ever thought magicians used illusions to replicate actual abilities?

What I'm merely suggesting is, on the topic of PROOF, I have not found viable evidence for either side. On my personal behalf, I've always felt there's reasonable logic to the existence of chi.

As you said, anything is possible.

Thank you for the site, same to Symer, I do enjoy civil discussions.

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reply posted on 7-1-2011 @ 09:09 AM by superluminal11

I believe these energies exist but only at the intellectual level. Why only intellectual level I have no idea....synchronicity has been shown to me on an absurd level over and over. Those coincidences that are beyond coincidence yet when you try to tell someone they look at you odd.

Seems I am constantly forgetting this sort of thing exists and is as real as this keyboard I am typing on right now.

reply posted on 7-1-2011 @ 09:32 AM by Wildeagle

reply to post by Thekid90

Thankyou for posting this vid, I had never heard of this guy before, and it was a very interesting watch.
I believe we are capable of so much more, we just need to find it in ourselves. Television, Media, all of it, has closed us off from our inner being. That for me is the sad truth of it.
What I would do, to have this energy.